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I don't know if they're comparable? I know nothing about medicals but surely if half his knee is missing amour doctors would look at it and say no way?
I think my point was that long term recurring injuries don‘t always show up on medicals. He’s had this operation in order to still be able to play football. Medically his knee might be enough to go through a medical. But it’s clear he’s not the same player as he was before this happened to him. Much like Sessegnon doesn’t seem mentally able to run at full pace any more, Fati doesn’t have that explosive pace that allowed him to take on his man anymore.

It’s not always about whether or not someone is considered physically fit, it’s about whether or not they can do the same things they used to do that made them the players that they once were.
 

Timberwolf

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So our top target for GK was Raya - we chose the cheaper option - Raya now off to Arsenal

Our top target for CB was Tapsoba - we chose the cheaper option - Utd now going for him after selling Maguire

Pretty depressing that our rivals are likely snapping up our top choices as secondary signings - all whilst we negotiate the sale of a key player. No key players leaving either rival.

No wonder Kane has lost faith in ENIC really.

Edit: Check my post history - I'm far from an ENIC-outer either
There are a few whispers that Utd might be interested in Tapsoba. They've hardly gone and signed him.
 

Albertbarich

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I think my point was that long term recurring injuries don‘t always show up on medicals. He’s had this operation in order to still be able to play football. Medically his knee might be enough to go through a medical. But it’s clear he’s not the same player as he was before this happened to him. Much like Sessegnon doesn’t seem mentally able to run at full pace any more, Fati doesn’t have that explosive pace that allowed him to take on his man anymore.

It’s not always about whether or not someone is considered physically fit, it’s about whether or not they can do the same things they used to do that made them the players that they once were.
That's fair enough, I know nothing about his injury so was genuinely more being inquisitive rather than an opinion.
 

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Just out of curiosity and aside from the sadness loosing him would bring, but how would people feel if we hypothetically sold Kane and brought in Fati and Orban as attacking reinforcements? I know there’s also mention of Silva but I just struggle to see it regardless. I think Shuurs or someone similarly priced is just much more realistic regardless what happens to Kane.
Not seen tons of Orban and Fati but two seemingly young talented players who are of a decent level already would set us up nicely for the future and if Fati can play RW then it ticks the boxes of cover for me in terms of ST & RW and would also give us enough wide cover that Son could also cover up top in the event of an injury to Richy as well as Orban or Veliz.

So that type of scenario if we sold Kane would be ok although a lot would depend on how many Goals Richy scores and how fit he can stay because if he can’t stay fit then ideally we sign a striker of a slightly better level than Orban.

And ofc we’d need to add another CB in which case we’d hopefully be pretty strong overall but ofc hard to say if all of the new signings + a new CB RW & ST could offset what we would be losing if Kane leaves.
 

Now it's Spursonal

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Just out of curiosity and aside from the sadness loosing him would bring, but how would people feel if we hypothetically sold Kane and brought in Fati and Orban as attacking reinforcements? I know there’s also mention of Silva but I just struggle to see it regardless. I think Shuurs or someone similarly priced is just much more realistic regardless what happens to Kane.
Honestly if we could swap out Fati for Chiesa in that scenario then I’d content atleast.

If we’re open to taking a risk on an injury-riddled potential superstar then Chiesa suits us much better than Fati.

Seen a well respected Juve fan talking about how he could see Chiesa actually developing into an elite striker similar in style to a Forlan, who would be a perfect Ange striker.
 

SpartanSpur

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There are a few whispers that Utd might be interested in Tapsoba. They've hardly gone and signed him.

I have a lot more faith in them getting him than we do. Other clubs seem to be able to do business with Leverkusen a lot more easily than us.

Even so it's the feeling behind it all. We are making concessions on targets that our rivals aren't whilst selling a club legend for no obvious benefit other than not selling him to them.
 

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Honestly if we could swap out Fati for Chiesa in that scenario then I’d content atleast.

If we’re open to taking a risk on an injury-riddled potential superstar then Chiesa suits us much better than Fati.

Seen a well respected Juve fan talking about how he could see Chiesa actually developing into an elite striker similar in style to a Forlan, who would be a perfect Ange striker.
I’d personally rather go for a striker and play Richy wide when needed I think. (I know it’s not his best position)

I just feel we should go for a top striker as a replacement.
 
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Timberwolf

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I have a lot more faith in them getting him than we do. Other clubs seem to be able to do business with Leverkusen a lot more easily than us.

Even so it's the feeling behind it all. We are making concessions on targets that our rivals aren't whilst selling a club legend for no obvious benefit other than not selling him to them.
It's a tricky one.

If we'd waited until now to get Raya for a fair fee everyone and their dog would be slagging off the club for not signing a new keeper before the season starts. And paying 40m for Raya at the start of the window sets a terrible precedent as it's clearly way more than he's worth and we'd then be under pressure from every selling club to meet their initial asking price like Chelsea are now.

As for Tapsoba I'm pretty much with you on that one. I think if we want to nail down a starting CB for the next 5-6 years we should've bit the bullet and got our number one pick. Who knows what was going on with that negotiation - I suspect Leverkusen wanted a lot more than it appeared from the outside but for a crucial position sometimes you just need to go for it and splash out on your first choice.

Anyway I digress. Back to Kane.
 

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Didn’t know who Fati was until yesterday, but after watching yesterday me like, so if we do lose Kane and get him in. I can get on board that!
 

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So our top target for GK was Raya - we chose the cheaper option - Raya now off to Arsenal

Our top target for CB was Tapsoba - we chose the cheaper option - Utd now going for him after selling Maguire

Pretty depressing that our rivals are likely snapping up our top choices as secondary signings - all whilst we negotiate the sale of a key player. No key players leaving either rival.

No wonder Kane has lost faith in ENIC really.

Edit: Check my post history - I'm far from an ENIC-outer either
We have fallen further behind our rivals this transfer window. Kane goes and we may as well write off any hope of top 4 this season. If we had backed Poch like arsenal have backed Arteta we wouldn’t be talking about Kane leaving.
 

panoma

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It's shameful that this saga's been allowed to drag on for so long.

Our first PL match in a few days and we don't know who will play up top.

If we sell Kane now my expectations for this season would be low (but we'll probably be an entertaining outfit). The fact Richy's yet to play with our first eleven makes it even worse.
 

Finchyid

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So our top target for GK was Raya - we chose the cheaper option - Raya now off to Arsenal

Our top target for CB was Tapsoba - we chose the cheaper option - Utd now going for him after selling Maguire

Pretty depressing that our rivals are likely snapping up our top choices as secondary signings - all whilst we negotiate the sale of a key player. No key players leaving either rival.

No wonder Kane has lost faith in ENIC really.

Edit: Check my post history - I'm far from an ENIC-outer either

Was that really the case ? I am sure that people behind the scenes had a preference for Vicario
It was also fairly obvious to me anyway that Brentford were expecting to have more bidders and get closer to £40m, we decided that was too much and moved on. They have lost out and Arsenal got a cheaper buy.
I would also be fairly sure that Kane isnt monitoring our targets
 

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Was that really the case ? I am sure that people behind the scenes had a preference for Vicario

All the noise was about Raya and once the negotiations got difficult the Vicario news came out.

If he was the preference all along then why make such a fuss about Raya?
 

Scot-Spur

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Do we think we hear something a bit more concrete today? Time really is pushing on if it’s to be done by the weekend.
 

Timberwolf

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Do we think we hear something a bit more concrete today? Time really is pushing on if it’s to be done by the weekend.
Whether he stays or goes it will probably end up being a crazy last minute shitstorm on Friday just before the season starts.
 

mawspurs

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It's a tricky one.

If we'd waited until now to get Raya for a fair fee everyone and their dog would be slagging off the club for not signing a new keeper before the season starts. And paying 40m for Raya at the start of the window sets a terrible precedent as it's clearly way more than he's worth and we'd then be under pressure from every selling club to meet their initial asking price like Chelsea are now.

As for Tapsoba I'm pretty much with you on that one. I think if we want to nail down a starting CB for the next 5-6 years we should've bit the bullet and got our number one pick. Who knows what was going on with that negotiation - I suspect Leverkusen wanted a lot more than it appeared from the outside but for a crucial position sometimes you just need to go for it and splash out on your first choice.

Anyway I digress. Back to Kane.
Weren't we told at one point that Leverkusen wanted a large chunk of the fee up front? It seems we are telling Bayern the same thing about Kane's fee. Could the two be tied together?
 

Now it's Spursonal

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I’d personally rather go for a striker and play Richy wise when needed I think. (I know it’s not his best position)

I just feel we should go for a top striker as a replacement.
Yeah I get that to be fair.

But I think in Ange’s system, having an elite winger is probably more important than an elite striker. So long as the striker is tenacious, mobile and can finish well then I think they’ll do well.

Whereas the winger has to be elite at 1v1 take ons, very strong at short interplay’s particularly in the Lb-Lcm-Lw triangles that Ange creates, very strong at crossing from both the byline and half-space and a very strong finisher.

Based off this I think, like many others do, that we’d be better off investing more money on the winger rather than striker.
 
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