What's new

Harry Kane

Shea

Well-Known Member
Apr 5, 2013
7,711
10,930
You know how people are always banging on about what's wrong with English football? Well one of those things is that for the last 20 years, there's been this way of thinking that fast or strong = good. And if a lad is fast/strong, then he's getting picked at a young age over the others... so technique and intelligence is waylaid. Hence the England team is full of limited cloggers or nippy lightweights, and no actual footballers.

This concept of no pace = no goals is garbage as well. Teddy Sheringham lacked pace, but he was a step ahead in his brain and as such got the Golden Boot twice. Alan Shearer lost his pace after his ligament injury and yet still managed 20+ goals every season until he retired.

Players like Harry Kane are a breath of fresh air.
This is very true - the scouting focus of top teams in England when recruiting young English talent for the last 20 odd years seems to have focused heavily on the physical aspects of a player and we've ended up with good athletes and or young kids who've physically developed ahead of their peers getting a head start over skillful and intelligent youngsters who perhaps had more potential but were never given the opportunity to show case that because they either developed into a man slower than others or simply lacked the physical and athletic attributes that short sighted scouts have deemed essential

I think it Holland's youth systems they play a style of football that negates all physical advantages and makes each player prove their worth by their footballing skills and footballing intelligence

As a result its not surprising that the Dutch have constantly produced a better crop of young players than us and have a stronger national team in spite of their lesser population and therefore smaller talent pool to choose from

Of course physical attributes play an important role in modern football - but not at the expense of the really valuable attributes that all truly great footballers have (not just great athletes) like vision, ability to anticipate play, skill, passing range and timing, the metal ability to gain a yard on the opponent etc
 

Ron Burgundy

SC Supporter
Jun 19, 2008
7,747
23,426
His lack of mobility and pace will be something he'll have to overcome, no doubt, but he's a good footballer that will keep getting better.

Still not clear if he'll be a 9 or a 10, but he's definitely adding something to the squad, and it's always nice to see a home grown lad coming through. At the end of the day, vs. WHam he came on and picked out the most important (and probably the best) pass of the day in the last minute - that says something about the lad.

I'm pleased for him
 

Ossie'sAardvark

Well-Known Member
Aug 20, 2013
2,073
2,210
This is very true - the scouting focus of top teams in England when recruiting young English talent for the last 20 odd years seems to have focused heavily on the physical aspects of a player and we've ended up with good athletes and or young kids who've physically developed ahead of their peers getting a head start over skillful and intelligent youngsters who perhaps had more potential but were never given the opportunity to show case that because they either developed into a man slower than others or simply lacked the physical and athletic attributes that short sighted scouts have deemed essential

I think it Holland's youth systems they play a style of football that negates all physical advantages and makes each player prove their worth by their footballing skills and footballing intelligence

As a result its not surprising that the Dutch have constantly produced a better crop of young players than us and have a stronger national team in spite of their lesser population and therefore smaller talent pool to choose from

Of course physical attributes play an important role in modern football - but not at the expense of the really valuable attributes that all truly great footballers have (not just great athletes) like vision, ability to anticipate play, skill, passing range and timing, the metal ability to gain a yard on the opponent etc
That's been true but for the last few years. A coach at a feeder club (Good club in Essex that gets a lot of youth scouts), said about three years ago he's seen a dramatic change of policy. Small, technical, quick kids are now the demanded also that winning cups etc is no longer a requisite. Hopefully that means in about 5/8 years we may start seeing some produce. He also told me that coaches of school/feeder/amateur teams had been banging that drum for decades but their views were overlooked. How accurate all this was, I don't know. But a good chat that I won't forget. I think also he mentioned the dutch example,..5 a side pitches and graduating to 11.
 

Gbspurs

Gatekeeper for debates, King of the plonkers
Jan 27, 2011
26,997
61,919
You know how people are always banging on about what's wrong with English football? Well one of those things is that for the last 20 years, there's been this way of thinking that fast or strong = good. And if a lad is fast/strong, then he's getting picked at a young age over the others... so technique and intelligence is waylaid. Hence the England team is full of limited cloggers or nippy lightweights, and no actual footballers.

This concept of no pace = no goals is garbage as well. Teddy Sheringham lacked pace, but he was a step ahead in his brain and as such got the Golden Boot twice. Alan Shearer lost his pace after his ligament injury and yet still managed 20+ goals every season until he retired.

Players like Harry Kane are a breath of fresh air.

Hear hear.

His lack of mobility and pace will be something he'll have to overcome, no doubt, but he's a good footballer that will keep getting better.

Still not clear if he'll be a 9 or a 10, but he's definitely adding something to the squad, and it's always nice to see a home grown lad coming through. At the end of the day, vs. WHam he came on and picked out the most important (and probably the best) pass of the day in the last minute - that says something about the lad.

I'm pleased for him

This is one of the other big problems with the English game and fans, the need to define every player by a number.

I bet it blew peoples tiny minds that last years most successful player (Suarez) had the attributes of a traditional 10, played in the 9 position and wore 7......... IMPOSSIBRU!!!!!!!
 

Ossie'sAardvark

Well-Known Member
Aug 20, 2013
2,073
2,210
Hear hear.



This is one of the other big problems with the English game and fans, the need to define every player by a number.

I bet it blew peoples tiny minds that last years most successful player (Suarez) had the attributes of a traditional 10, played in the 9 position and wore 7......... IMPOSSIBRU!!!!!!!
Regarding the numbers on the back of a shirt I agree and agree again....utter nonsense. As for lack of pace that can be substituted by a quick brain (which I think Kane is demonstrating).
Your last sentence Priceless.
 

dondo

Well-Known Member
Jan 4, 2006
8,603
14,091
What does that mean? Is there a minimum pace requirement to score 15+ goals? Someone should have told Berba when he won golden boot for Utd.


Shearer did ok as well without a great deal of pace
 

Chinaspur

Well-Known Member
Oct 1, 2005
2,917
5,298
Yeah terrified about what I said on the Internet. Fuck my world might end...how will continue ???

I'm so scared china, I'm so worried right now that Kane might be a massive success.
God help me!!!!!!!!

So are you saying you will eat your underwear or not? :confused:
 

parklane1

Well-Known Member
May 4, 2012
4,390
4,054
Hear hear.



This is one of the other big problems with the English game and fans, the need to define every player by a number.

I bet it blew peoples tiny minds that last years most successful player (Suarez) had the attributes of a traditional 10, played in the 9 position and wore 7......... IMPOSSIBRU!!!!!!!

A lot of that is down to the likes of FIFA and games of that ilk, to much emphsis placed on stats and what they do or do not mean. Football is ( and always has been) a simple game, its the game players and their makers who have to explain everything and pigeon hole everything.
 

BringBack_leGin

Well-Known Member
Jul 28, 2004
27,719
54,929
I remember seeing clips of him in a youth game, not sure if competetive or not, v Utd many years ago. He was only 16/17 at that point but scored a couple of belters and really looked the part with his all round play. I stuck my neck on the line with the Sheringham comparison back then, and I must admit that after his loan spells I did lose faith, but the end of last season he really pushed on well and I think there's every chance he'll be a great player for us.
 

Mediocrates

Well-Known Member
Mar 2, 2013
298
1,019
What does that mean? Is there a minimum pace requirement to score 15+ goals? Someone should have told Berba when he won golden boot for Utd.

And Shearer at Newcastle. He lost his pace around '97. Bergkamp, Van Nistelrooy, Van Persie, Dzeko.... Hell Keane was always pretty pedestrian even first time round. Intelligence is so much more important than pace, even in England.
 

KILLA_SIN

Well-Known Member
May 24, 2008
7,960
14,699
Natural Pace as a physical attribute is seriously overrated, We have Lennon, Townsend and Walker who are quick players but with the greatest of respect lack that footballing intelligence. Intelligence is not something that can be physically coached, where as running quicker can. I know what I would rather see in players.
 

eViL

Oliver Skipp's Dad
May 15, 2004
5,841
7,965
Dunno what games you boys watch, if anything other than MOTD at all, but I've seen Kane burn quite a few CBs already.

He ain't slow.

He's no Thierry, don't get me wrong, but the timing of his running is excellent for a player so young.

I honestly despair with some of the morons on here on the backs of our local lads who are making into the first team - we've never been in such a strong position for talent coming through the ranks.

The game has changed recently, when do you see pace as a primary attribute for central forward players these days? They need to have more than that, and other than inexperience, I've seen very few weaknesses in Kane's play so far.

He's a good player, who has earned the right to be given a fair crack at starting a few games and should get the support he needs from the fans.
 

ultimateloner

Well-Known Member
Jan 25, 2004
4,598
2,247
do you reckon he will start? im thinking who to pick for my fantasy league team. I heard QPR did well against hull despite not winning. Does anyone know/have an opinion?
 

EQP

EQP
Sep 1, 2013
8,029
29,870
do you reckon he will start? im thinking who to pick for my fantasy league team. I heard QPR did well against hull despite not winning. Does anyone know/have an opinion?
Probably not, chances are he'll start this thursday in the EL, leaving Ade to start for the QPR game.
 
Top