Harry Kane

[isaac94]

Well if that is true why couldn't he be arsed to show up?


Keane talks a lot of bollocks but he isn't wrong here.
Kane is 100% part of the problem, same with Son & Hugo.

if they are the problem what are the rest of the mob?

 

[Deleted member 29446]

if they are the problem what are the rest of the mob?

A bigger problem

 

[longtimespur]

They aren't any lighter than they were 70-80 years ago. It's all down to the materials used and aero dynamics

Have to disagree with you there @Trix
When I played football back in the late 50's early 60's they were leather and used to suck any dampness out of the grass, (if they weren't cared for with dubbin etc) even the laces used to soak in it, and they certainly were a lot heavier than today's balloons. (By comparison)
Not that it gives players a get out of jail card.

 

[Trix]

Have to disagree with you there @Trix
When I played football back in the late 50's early 60's they were leather and used to suck any dampness out of the grass, (if they weren't cared for with dubbin etc) even the laces used to soak in it, and they certainly were a lot heavier than today's balloons. (By comparison)
Not that it gives players a get out of jail card.

Indeed but the actual weight brand new hasn't changed at all, and from the 80's onwards the balls have been pretty consistent wet or dry, unless they were scuffed. Certainly wasn't a factor as far as Kane's freekicks are concerned. The laws of the game regarding manufacturing ball weight has been the same since the 1930-40's

 

[spurs-r-us]

They spent most of the budget on the stadium. Hopefully the long term plan was to recruit bigger and better players with the new stadium built and generating money. Poch took us as far as we could go with a 36k capacity stadium. We had to then build a new stadium which makes it difficult to spend on players. It's a process that time unfortunately. It was always likely to be a transition phase when moving stadium. It's frustrating for Kane who is in his peak years but maybe we'll actually go big in the summer. Although Kane did sign a lucrative contract so should be prepared to see it out.

At the end of the day, we could have won the league if we’d stayed at the Lane in 17/18. Sound bites like ‘took us as far as we could go’ are useless when the new ground - despite the best efforts of the designers - lacks atmosphere and our best team in two generations fell apart. You’re dreaming if you think ENIC had any intention of using the extra money from more seats to spend on the team. They were always going to use it to pay off their loans, and sell up when the value was highest. They fucked up by expecting Mauricio to perform miracles year in year out and then taking the ultimate gamble on Mourinho after United.

 

[mil1lion]

At the end of the day, we could have won the league if we’d stayed at the Lane in 17/18. Sound bites like ‘took us as far as we could go’ are useless when the new ground - despite the best efforts of the designers - lacks atmosphere and our best team in two generations fell apart. You’re dreaming if you think ENIC had any intention of using the extra money from more seats to spend on the team. They were always going to use it to pay off their loans, and sell up when the value was highest. They fucked up by expecting Mauricio to perform miracles year in year out and then taking the ultimate gamble on Mourinho after United.

Sorry but that's very unlikely. City got 100 points that season and have really dominated since. Liverpool got close to them with 97 points the following season, 1 point below them. Liverpool then won the next season with 99 points. City then won the league last season with the same points total as we got in the 16/17 season. That was largely down to the disruption through covid because they're back on track to hit those previous numbers again. Those numbers are pretty ridiculous though and will take a lot to get to that level. We did great for a couple of years under Poch but that was also at a time when the top clubs dropped off. It was unfortunate that we were building the stadium at a time when we could have really done with strengthening the squad. That was our only real chance of being where Liverpool are now. It's difficult to do though with that kind of capacity unless you have some serious financial doping or are one of the top clubs in England. I'm not sure what the overall intent of ENIC is but even if they plan to sell it's not necessarily a bad thing. They'll have left us in a great place to kick on. I honestly think in terms of the long term picture the stadium had to be built as soon as possible. Either that or sell out to someone who will pump big money into signings. Those really are the 2 avenues we can take to take that final step and win titles.

No idea what you mean about the stadium lacking atmosphere. The fans don't sing enough because of the poor football but it's very clear when they do it's incredible. In fact even the small away atmosphere reverberates around the whole stadium. Conte just needs to get the team he needs for next season and then I'm sure the crowd will pick up. The stadium is special and the perfect platform to build a great team to play in.

 

[isaac94]

A bigger problem

yeah but laying blame on our 3 best players is weird, if any were in a better squad they would win trophies (lloris case and point)

 

[glacierSpurs]

I get that he very much want to win something with us. But he has to show up when it matters too.

 

[AnotherSpursFan]

Harry Kane : i want to win trophies!

Played a blinder vs Man city
Flopped vs Burnley
Jogged during Nuno's reign
Went missing in UCL final

Harry Kane...world class for one game...ya, its still fuck off for me

 

[Styopa]

Harry Kane : i want to win trophies!

Played a blinder vs Man city
Flopped vs Burnley
Jogged during Nuno's reign
Went missing in UCL final

Harry Kane...world class for one game...ya, its still fuck off for me

A bit harsh. He has scored goals against virtually every club in the league. He is one of the very best players we have ever produced- and is almost certainly the best player we have produced in the modern era of say the last 30 odd years since the formation of the Premier League.

But I do agree with your sentiment about him going missing in too many key games. For someone who is clearly desperate to win something he really hasn’t done enough in the multiple finals and semi finals he has been involved in. Not only for us but also for England. That seems to be the one major thing missing from his game. The ability to carry a team over the line in the way for example Ronaldo has done during his career.

 

[olliec]

A bit harsh. He has scored goals against virtually every club in the league. He is one of the very best players we have ever produced- and is almost certainly the best player we have produced in the modern era of say the last 30 odd years since the formation of the Premier League.

But I do agree with your sentiment about him going missing in too many key games. For someone who is clearly desperate to win something he really hasn’t done enough in the multiple finals and semi finals he has been involved in. Not only for us but also for England. That seems to be the one major thing missing from his game. The ability to carry a team over the line in the way for example Ronaldo has done during his career.

He wasn’t even fit for the CL final. Should never of gotten picked. But that was the manger and not him. Need to cut him some slack.

 

[Styopa]

He wasn’t even fit for the CL final. Should never of gotten picked. But that was the manger and not him. Need to cut him some slack.

True but it’s not only the CL final. Kane has been involved in multiple finals and semi-Finals. And I think this is partly why people get frustrated with him when he hints about having to leave to win things. We have been in the position many times to win a trophy where we haven’t performed on the day. A performance from Kane on those occasions may have been the difference between winning a trophy or losing out yet again. Of course Kane has often been integral to putting us in those positions in the first place. But still, when he has had the platform to go on and help us win something he has not been able to do so.

 

[allatsea]

I get that he very much want to win something with us. But he has to show up when it matters too.

Was going to say exactly the same.

 

[Gbspurs]

Kane isn't the problem, the issue is we have become used to him single handedly winning games for us so when he doesn't everyone thinks he is poor. Ultimately we rely on him far too much and expect him to consistently drag us out of the mud whilst the rest of team is generally shit.

 

[dude573]

Kane isn't the problem, the issue is we have become used to him single handedly winning games for us so when he doesn't everyone thinks he is poor. Ultimately we rely on him far too much and expect him to consistently drag us out of the mud whilst the rest of team is generally shit.

I don't disagree with you and am fully aware that Kane's goals have taken us into finals/semi-finals. However, his record in those specific games is very poor for a striker of his quality.

He has only scored three goals in 13 semi-final/final appearances for Spurs and England - one of which was a penalty.

 

[mil1lion]

It's very difficult to win a final with one or two top players. A final with it all on the line requires a team who all pull together on that one big occasion. That's what we should have seen in the CL final. They had 3 weeks to prepare and didn't press and fight as aggressive as they should have. There's a serious mental weakness with the club unable to push over the line when it matters. I do think Kane struggles a bit himself though. We expect him to drag us over the line because he's our best player. Yet he hasn't won anything for club or country. We really could do with a couple of players who have been there and done it to help push us over the line.

 

[Styopa]

Kane in a sense is emblematic of that mental weakness. He has traditionally been noticeably poorer in finals than what we have come to expect of him. It’s fine to say the whole team needs to step up for those games- I totally agree. But Kane is probably our best and most important player. If he consistently has off days during finals what hope can we have for the rest of the team?

 

[longtimespur]

Indeed but the actual weight brand new hasn't changed at all, and from the 80's onwards the balls have been pretty consistent wet or dry, unless they were scuffed. Certainly wasn't a factor as far as Kane's freekicks are concerned. The laws of the game regarding manufacturing ball weight has been the same since the 1930-40's

Didn't know that Trix but I do know it was painful when I headed a ball back then, and it certainly wasn't a wet night in Stoke LOL It might well have been a wet afternoon on Hackney or Tottenham marshes.

 

[spursfan77]

I think if I’d have taken as many free kicks as Kane has in games since he scored his last one that I’d get one in. I’d back myself to actually.

His dead ball taking is bizarrely terrible.

 

[Dembele'Disciple]

Best player in the Prem