Harry Kane

[Timberwolf]

Think the "we should sell/keep" argument is just an endless cycle at this point. Decent arguments and strong opinions on both sides but getting quite repetitive (and I say this as someone who regularly regurgitates the same shite on this forum).

Maybe we should add a poll or something? Would at least get a gauge on the collective opinion that way.

 

[robotsonic]

We have to replace Kane this year or next. (I think we have already done it with Richarlison and Maddison).

We are transitioning to an entirely new style and philosophy the season. We would be better served long-term in getting the new project off the ground with players who will be here long-term. Keep in mind, we probably have to replace Son as early as next summer also.

If you take emotion out of it - as any good chairman should - then, selling Kane this summer, and moving forward makes a lot more sense than keeping Kane for a year, then losing all of his value, and telling the. manager he has to rebuild the team again without the star striker, and without the funds that he could have had this season.

Suppose I just don't see it that way. Football is about emotion, and I'm not the chairman, so my views are skewed admittedly, but I still think we're better off having a punt at getting into the CL next year, which imo will require Kane for us to have a realistic chance of, and then that leaves us fishing in a better pond, with 80% of the pot we'd have got selling him now anyway, and can look for a replacement which we are not in a place to attract as it stands.

Basically if we keep him, there's a chance that next year is a good one and we finish with something to look forward to. If we let him go now, it undercuts Ange's chances next season, and we can forget CL football for 2 years + and could get left behind. Rather transition the position from a position of relative strength than where we are now.

It would mean betting on CL football for the money in keeping him, but imo that's no bigger risk than spending big incoming money on a couple of players which we've not done successfully even one time. If it doesn't come off it's not asking Ange to rebuild the team again, you just buy another striker. I don't think we're going to see Kane, if he stays, playing the roaming role we've seen since Jose this season anyway.

 

[yido-1989]

First - we don't have a better defense yet. We have not upgraded yet, and we don't know how any new players will adapt to a new league, nor do we know how Ange will adapt to the defensive requirements of the PL.

Second - We are transitioning to a new style of football - traditionally, that takes time for any team to adopt to a new style/philosophy. A slow start would not be shocking.

Third - we are easily behind City, Liverpool, and Arsenal right now. Maybe if things fall right we are on a similar level to United, Newcastle, and Chelsea - but we would have no margin for error. We need top-5, which means we need to be better than 2 of those teams. Are you willing to bet £80M that we will finish ahead of two of those teams this season - with a new manager?

Fourth - we are not rich enough to piss away £80M. The only teams that can do that have owners that don't care about money. We are not one of those teams.

Attack is the best form of defence, City & Arsenal have proved it this year. keeping the best attacker in the premier league is more important than 80Million that the club can definitely afford to gamble on getting champions league football. Our defence can’t really get any worse than what it has been and we’ve been linked to some good/top defenders so far.

Transitioning into a new style of play would be a lot harder without Kane who guarantees you goals and would also make the managers job alot easier in his first season in charge.

like @robotsonic said above, most of your points raised show we need to keep Kane rather than selling.

 

[DFF]

I wish some of our fans would take our overly frugal owners to task, rather than trying to sell possibly our greatest ever player because they’ve been indoctrinated to believe this little old 9th richest club in the world couldn’t possibly forgo 80m for him. Sick of the Bastard Accountants of Daniel Levy.

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

Suppose I just don't see it that way. Football is about emotion, and I'm not the chairman, so my views are skewed admittedly, but I still think we're better off having a punt at getting into the CL next year, which imo will require Kane for us to have a realistic chance of, and then that leaves us fishing in a better pond, with 80% of the pot we'd have got selling him now anyway, and can look for a replacement which we are not in a place to attract as it stands.

Basically if we keep him, there's a chance that next year is a good one and we finish with something to look forward to. If we let him go now, it undercuts Ange's chances next season, and we can forget CL football for 2 years + and could get left behind. Rather transition the position from a position of relative strength than where we are now.

It would mean betting on CL football for the money in keeping him, but imo that's no bigger risk than spending big incoming money on a couple of players which we've not done successfully even one time. If it doesn't come off it's not asking Ange to rebuild the team again, you just buy another striker. I don't think we're going to see Kane, if he stays, playing the roaming role we've seen since Jose this season anyway.

I guess I just fundamentally disagree that we are simply a Harry Kane team.

I am also going to be a supporter for longer than next season, so I’d prefer we aim to be as good as we can be next season, the season after, and beyond.

We are starting on a new project right now - I think we are fundamentally better if we do that with players who we can build around, rather than a single season building around Kane to be followed by another season starting from scratch.

 

[DiscoD1882]

We are in the bale to Madrid paradox. No one wanted him to go. Bit we knew it would happen. Cut the head off the snake. Go. Or don’t go. Spurs will still be spurs.

 

[robotsonic]

I guess I just fundamentally disagree that we are simply a Harry Kane team.

I am also going to be a supporter for longer than next season, so I’d prefer we aim to be as good as we can be next season, the season after, and beyond.

We are starting on a new project right now - I think we are fundamentally better if we do that with players who we can build around, rather than a single season building around Kane to be followed by another season starting from scratch.

Personally I also don't think we're a Harry Kane team. Like I said, I think we'll see less of him being this roaming playmaker this season anyway due to the way Postecoglu plays his striker.

We all want to be better next season and the season after. I just think keeping Kane is the better way to get there. But don't get me wrong in that I think he's the be all and end all. He's not, and we'll survive without, but to transition with him and then look to plug in a high-end replacement for me is a better shout than give up on a high-end replacement immediately and sign a lower quality player now. There are few players you'd want to "build around" anyway, and we certainly can't get any of them to come to us until we show something this year. If you told me we could buy Osimhen or someone with the money then sure, but we can't.

Sure, we might end up not being able to attract top end talent if we don't do well this year and he walks, and that's the rub, but if we sell him now, we definitely can't. I've seen some suggest here that we should sign fucking Ivan Toney and be without him until Christmas. No thanks. Dare to do. Keep him and back ourselves.

 

[Hawkey77]

and yet I’ve weirdly always felt that Kane only ever became a ‘thing’ at spurs because Bale left and a new hero ultimately stepped up (Kane a bit later. Not Soldado immediately). Point being? You dont know what’s next, so don’t be afraid of it.

 

[Chris Flynn]

For me it is a no brainer.. Kane can give us CL... How much is that worth? 70-150 million. Easyer to attrac players, Kane may extend...

How much would Kane give us now? 100 million?

Nothing to loose by keeping him his last year

dont know where people get these crazy numbers for champs leauge money

Champions League 2022-23 prize money: How much will winners of Man City vs Inter clash get? | Goal.com UK

GOAL takes a look at the prize money that 2022-23 Champions League finalists Manchester City and Inter will receive

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[gibbospurs]

Hopefully when he’s back and spoken to his new manager! (The guy who should be making the call) everything can get sorted one way or another. If he wants to leave then let him. Get any deal done and dusted then let him put out a statement that he wants out. He might be the best player but he wanted out 2 seasons ago. He’s not Spurs through and through. We move on.

 

[tez1503]

dont know where people get these crazy numbers for champs leauge money

Champions League 2022-23 prize money: How much will winners of Man City vs Inter clash get? | Goal.com UK

GOAL takes a look at the prize money that 2022-23 Champions League finalists Manchester City and Inter will receive

www.goal.com

I don’t think that takes into account the money from TV and other income from Champions League football. It’s just the UEFA prize money and is not the main income stream

 

[davros]

I don’t think that takes into account the money from TV and other income from Champions League football. It’s just the UEFA prize money and is not the main income stream

The table just shows prize money. The article summarizes the other income including TV money:

"If a team competes from the group stage and wins every match in the group stage and then proceeds to win the entire competition, then they'll earn a total of €69.8 million (£59m/$77m).

There is also TV revenue to be taken into account for those gracing the grandest of continental competitions.

That pot is estimated to be worth around €303.3 million (£261.32m/$324.87m), which is divided up between the teams involved based on their proportional market value and previous performances.

When those earnings are added to the winnings of an ultimately successful side, then they start to pull in over €85 million (£72m/$94m)."

So, the 70-150 million figure leans to the optimistic side, but if we're talking euros and total revenue for the champions, it's not wrong (85 million euros is between 70-150 million); but it is too vague to be considered accurate.

 

[jay2040]

Hopefully when he’s back and spoken to his new manager! (The guy who should be making the call) everything can get sorted one way or another. If he wants to leave then let him. Get any deal done and dusted then let him put out a statement that he wants out. He might be the best player but he wanted out 2 seasons ago. He’s not Spurs through and through. We move on.

Does he need to speak to the new manager if his mind is made up ? What fucking call is there to make!

 

[EastUpperDK82]

We are in the bale to Madrid paradox. No one wanted him to go. Bit we knew it would happen. Cut the head off the snake. Go. Or don’t go. Spurs will still be spurs.

Well... I do agree that Spurs will be Spurs no matter what... but I don't think we can compare the Bale and Kane situation... first of all it's Bayern !!! ... not Real Madrid... I still fancy our chances to outmuscle Bayern (more money, house, family, London, Maddison, Ange, Shearer-record, club DNA)... and we have to fight a lot more for Kane than Bale IMO... Kane is a world class striker and already a club legend... they are not easy to get or produce... Bale was class. But still relatively young and on his way to world class... he became that at Real...

So... fight for Kane... all that we can. The new contract offer and not playing Bayern's transfer-game is a good start.

 

[Russ1201]

We have to replace Kane this year or next. (I think we have already done it with Richarlison and Maddison).

We are transitioning to an entirely new style and philosophy the season. We would be better served long-term in getting the new project off the ground with players who will be here long-term. Keep in mind, we probably have to replace Son as early as next summer also.

If you take emotion out of it - as any good chairman should - then, selling Kane this summer, and moving forward makes a lot more sense than keeping Kane for a year, then losing all of his value, and telling the. manager he has to rebuild the team again without the star striker, and without the funds that he could have had this season.

Agree with you to on most points.
The only issue is if Kane leaves we are going from a 30+ goal striker to a 15+ striker a big difference.
We are replacing the playmaking side of Kane with Maddison.
I feel ideally if Kane leaves we need to get another striker who is a 20 plus goals a season striker. 15-20 goals a season goal sqing is imo to much off a swing for the others players to manage.

 

[Archibald-CPH]

dont know where people get these crazy numbers for champs leauge money

Champions League 2022-23 prize money: How much will winners of Man City vs Inter clash get? | Goal.com UK

GOAL takes a look at the prize money that 2022-23 Champions League finalists Manchester City and Inter will receive

www.goal.com

+ three homegames in groupstage, sponsors etc you will be looking in to 70-100 million

 

[WeGotLedley]

dont know where people get these crazy numbers for champs leauge money

Champions League 2022-23 prize money: How much will winners of Man City vs Inter clash get? | Goal.com UK

GOAL takes a look at the prize money that 2022-23 Champions League finalists Manchester City and Inter will receive

www.goal.com

Not crazy at all. Factor in TV and match day revenue, and 80m is a fairly achievable number for 24/25 season

Champions League Revenue 2022/23 (estimate)

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[wadewill]

Hopefully when he’s back and spoken to his new manager! (The guy who should be making the call) everything can get sorted one way or another. If he wants to leave then let him. Get any deal done and dusted then let him put out a statement that he wants out. He might be the best player but he wanted out 2 seasons ago. He’s not Spurs through and through. We move on.

He’s definitely not as much as club like to peddle.

Winks is more Spurs than Harry

 

[Disco]

There's not much upside for kane there. He can leave next year any way and what he would make over the next 4 years in wages and sign on would far eclipse the year with us.

Well the devil would always be in the detail.

Say you bump him from 200k to 300ka week on a 4 year deal and offer him a 5mil sign on bonus. That is security.

Sure he could get more as a free agent but he could also break a leg halfway through the season and be left without the safety net of a contract.

Also allows him the opportunity of breaking the PL record and moving to another PL club without being seen to screw over the club.

I'm not saying there are no cons but there are certainly pros

 

[Trix]

Maybe, rather than offer him a new deal, but some good players, push the boat out and be ruthless with getting rid of the dozen players that need to be offloaded.

That would make Kane more likely to want to stay, showing you actually mean business.

Getting VDV, Tapsoba, tosin and amrabat wouldn’t cost the wart but would resolve a lot if our issues and give us a good team and that is more likely to convince Kane to give it one more year.

Need to do both to have any chance of him signing imo.

Whether he stays or goes the future of the club rests on the ambition of the board. Either put up or shove off. If we leave this window short in certain area's again all this talk of change is just more bluster and bluff.