Harry Kane

[s_purs]

I know I must be in the minority here but I'd rather sell Kane now if we got £70+m (abroad) than lose him for free. Yes we would lose 35 goals next season (no Europe) but we need to replace him and with Levy being so tight I really fear that won't spend the money to replace him if he walked away next year.
If it was for a sale to a prem team I'd want £100+m though.

As for feelings towards Kane, I'm more than happy for him to do what he wants. He's been a great player for us and given everything. He signed the last contract and we are in the worst position that we have been in for years (high potential with Ange but high risk also over the next 18 months).

 

[Tucker]

This thread is like being stuck in a recurring time loop. None of the posts in the last ten or twenty pages has said anything remotely original.

You think we should sell Kane? Guess what? It’s been said a thousand times in the last few days.
You think we should keep Kane? Guess what? It’s been said a thousand times in the last few days.
You think he wouldn’t go abroad and risk not breaking the record? Guess what? It’s been said a thousand times in the last few days.
You think he deserves to win a trophy? Guess what? It’s been said a thousand times in the last few days.

Would be really great if this thread was left to go quiet until there’s some news.

 

[McFlash]

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This thread is like being stuck in a recurring time loop. None of the posts in the last ten or twenty pages has said anything remotely original.

You think we should sell Kane? Guess what? It’s been said a thousand times in the last few days.
You think we should keep Kane? Guess what? It’s been said a thousand times in the last few days.
You think he wouldn’t go abroad and risk not breaking the record? Guess what? It’s been said a thousand times in the last few days.
You think he deserves to win a trophy? Guess what? It’s been said a thousand times in the last few days.

Would be really great if this thread was left to go quiet until there’s some news.

Yeah, we should just shut half of this discussion forum down so none of us can talk about our club during the off season.

Or you could just avoid the threads until you see some news in the media, then come into them?

Is it boring at times? Yes it is but Kane is a pretty big topic right now and people are going to want to discuss the situation.

Off season is boring as fuck, so let us have a chance to chat shit about the club we love, in a place that's designed to do just that.

 

[jolsnogross]

Are Spurs then just an entertainment business, with no connection to sporting?

If the goal is to entertain fans, that explains a lot and why we struggle to replicate the clubs whose goal is to win.

This makes no sense. We're more competitive with Kane in the side. Where the fuck would we have finished last season without him? Our best chance, by miles, of being winners next season is if Kane is playing for us.

 

[jolsnogross]

This does go both ways....

How could moving to Germany be wrong?
a. He's got an eye on his global profile for his post-football career (been on US talk shows, expressed an interest in NFL, etc...) the Bundesliga doesn't have the same profile / following that the premier league has, will he drift off peoples radar?
b. There's no guarantee that he'll be the success everybody expects. Just look at Manes move to Bayern... Does he want to take that risk
c. He's so close to breaking what many believed was an unbreakable record as top prem goal scorer. People don't talk about Shearer as premier league winner with Blackburn they know him as the all time highest scorer.
d. Children are starting school and his wife is pregnant with another. We know he's a family man and wouldn't want to relocate his family to a foreign country just as they're about to start school where they don't know the language? Would he equally be happy living in a different country and missing out on his newborn growing up?

I think you have to weigh the pros against the cons and if it's equal on both sides it's better the devil you know

This is the thinnest gruel. You must think Kane is a weak-minded numpty who has a) taken his eye of his current career, b) has no confidence in himself, c) is lying when he says he wants to compete for/win trophies, and d) that he and his wife are weak-minded numpties, raising more weak-minded numpties. And couldn't continue to have the time of their lives as multi millionaires in Bavaria.

C'mon folks

 

[Tucker]

Yeah, we should just shut half of this discussion forum down so none of us can talk about our club during the off season.

Or you could just avoid the threads until you see some news in the media, then come into them?

Is it boring at times? Yes it is but Kane is a pretty big topic right now and people are going to want to discuss the situation.

Off season is boring as fuck, so let us have a chance to chat shit about the club we love, in a place that's designed to do just that.

The problem with this is that not all the pertinent news about this breaks in the media. As you know full well lots of information and snippets get posted here that we wouldn’t necessarily see on bbc sport or SSN. Not all of those snippets make their way to the itk thread or the read only either.

Yes people want to talk about this, but it really is raking over the same coal over and over again, and it’s pretty frustrating to see several pages added to the thread only to see that it’s the same four or five people saying the same four or five things.

 

[McFlash]

This is the thinnest gruel. You must think Kane is a weak-minded numpty who has a) taken his eye of his current career, b) has no confidence in himself, c) is lying when he says he wants to compete for/win trophies, and d) that he and his wife are weak-minded numpties, raising more weak-minded numpties. And couldn't continue to have the time of their lives as multi millionaires in Bavaria.

C'mon folks

Or, he may just not want to go to Germany?
I fucking wouldn't, Spain? Italy? Maybe yes but Germany and their league wouldn't interest me at all.

Yes, the Kane's could live a life of luxury in Germany, of course they could but they may not want to.

Some thing are more important to some people and at this point, we have no idea what Harry is thinking so there's no need to be quite so abrupt in your response.

 

[McFlash]

The problem with this is that not all the pertinent news about this breaks in the media. As you know full well lots of information and snippets get posted here that we wouldn’t necessarily see on bbc sport or SSN. Not all of those snippets make their way to the itk thread or the read only either.

Yes people want to talk about this, but it really is raking over the same coal over and over again, and it’s pretty frustrating to see several pages added to the thread only to see that it’s the same four or five people saying the same four or five things.

Yeah, you're probably right.
I'm just bored and slightly drunk.

 

[CarrickSpurgus]

I had no idea about that.

Just to add I’m regular listener to LWOS and I enjoy their content and think they’re all genuine guys

 

[jolsnogross]

Kane has always been pretty upfront and clear, all the time we are competitive and challenging - he'll stay.

I don't think it even comes down to winning something, it's about (IMO) being in the hunt, with a realistic chance of winning. If we have a season like Arsenal just had, even if we implode like they did, I think thats what Harry wants to see - a real, genuine shot at the title. All the time we were vying for the title and playing in cup finals, he's been happy. We were competitive.

I've seen so many people say 'if we sign this player, he'll stay', 'if we appoint this manager, he'll stay' but it's nonsense.

No matter who we sign, who the manager is, how much money we spend. If we are not in a position to realistically challenge for serious honours (and I don't think the league or FA cup would be sufficient), he is not re-signing.

Top 4 won't cut it. The only way I can see him convinced to stay beyond this season is if come Easter we are within a few points of the top of the table.

Excellent stuff. Kane has been quite transparent about what he wants. And having played all his career with us, our floundering around for 3 or 4 years of his 6 year contract was criminally stupid.

I suspect he'll enjoy working with Ange, but he's been burned by the Mourinho and Conte experiences and won't feel any need to predict an upward trajectory that affects his thinking. He'll only sign on if he experiences that change to being truly competitive again.

And while Ange is the most important signing we'll make this summer, he's not a miracle worker. He'll have a much easier settling in period if Kane is still here. It could be rough if he isn't.

And lots of fans are going to have to ditch the goldfish mentality. Spurs were in rapid decline when Ange took over. A basket case of a club/team. That's Kane's frame of reference. And the truth. There's an unreal amount of work needed to get back to true competitiveness. Kane, understandably, doesn't want to wait through that period. And our history suggests fans and the chairman might get too impatient with it anyway.

 

[jolsnogross]

Or, he may just not want to go to Germany?
I fucking wouldn't, Spain? Italy? Maybe yes but Germany and their league wouldn't interest me at all.

Yes, the Kane's could live a life of luxury in Germany, of course they could but they may not want to.

Some thing are more important to some people and at this point, we have no idea what Harry is thinking so there's no need to be quite so abrupt in your response.

I think we have a pretty clear idea of what Harry is thinking. He'd like to leave Spurs for any number of what he considers a top club. Munich are one of several of those.

It's also been reasonably well reported that he would move to Bayern. That the deal between him and Munich wouldn't be a problem to conclude. So your thoughts on moving to Germany dont seem to have much similarity to his.

 

[Spursmatty87]

If spurs are open to sell him I hope they’ve set a deadline for Kane and Bayern to sort it. We be really sad if this turned into a mess again.

 

[McFlash]

It's also been reasonably well reported that he would move to Bayern. That the deal between him and Munich wouldn't be a problem to conclude.

See, this is where I disagree.
He may well be open to the move for all I know but I haven't seen much, if anything, to say much more than he'd be open to talking to them.

Of course he should be open to speaking to any club that has a serious interest, especially at the stage of contract he's at.
That doesn't necessarily mean that he's eager to move there though.
For all we know he's using Bayern to flush out other interest, to test the waters or to see how much he's valued elsewhere.

In a year's time, he could have his pick of clubs so I don't see why he'd be eager to leap at the first club to show interest, whether that's Bayern or anybody else.

But everything here will be moot if Bayern don't stump up the cash, which I honestly don't think they will.

 

[jolsnogross]

See, this is where I disagree.
He may well be open to the move for all I know but I haven't seen much, if anything, to say much more than he'd be open to talking to them.

Of course he should be open to speaking to any club that has a serious interest, especially at the stage of contract he's at.
That doesn't necessarily mean that he's eager to move there though.
For all we know he's using Bayern to flush out other interest, to test the waters or to see how much he's valued elsewhere.

In a year's time, he could have his pick of clubs so I don't see why he'd be eager to leap at the first club to show interest, whether that's Bayern or anybody else.

But everything here will be moot if Bayern don't stump up the cash, which I honestly don't think they will.

I reckon he'd go there if it got him out of spurs this summer. If he has to wait it out, he'll have a lot of choice next summer that doesn't exist this summer.

From Spurs perspective, I'd probably just keep him this year, help Ange along, and maintain the tiniest chance that he'll sign on again if things go well.

But in that case, we have to live with an almost certain prospect not getting 10s of millions. And that he might choose Chelsea...

 

[McFlash]

I reckon he'd go there if it got him out of spurs this summer. If he has to wait it out, he'll have a lot of choice next summer that doesn't exist this summer.

From Spurs perspective, I'd probably just keep him this year, help Ange along, and maintain the tiniest chance that he'll sign on again if things go well.

But in that case, we have to live with an almost certain prospect not getting 10s of millions. And that he might choose Chelsea...

I'd keep him for sure and take that gamble.
We may persuade him to stay and as you say, it'll help Ange rather than hamstring him in his first season.
Then, if he goes to someone like Chelsea, I suppose that's on him.

I'd rather take the risk than just fold for the money now.

It's all a big risk and if we hadn't fucked up the last few years as we have, we wouldn't even be having this discussion.

I just want to cling on to the slightest hope that we may be able to keep the best player we've had in donkeys.

 

[Haddock]

I'll be honest, it doesn't read like a whole lot of much to me. It's very easy to just say "Kane wants to go", without any further elaboration on the matter, and then just pad out an article.

Anything coming from Germany can pretty much be disregarded out of hand given that they serve the Bayern narrative and are as bad as the Italian/Spanish media when it comes to printing absolutely anything they made up.

I suppose time will tell. But I can't see him going there myself, both from himself when the chips are down, and due to Bayern not bidding anything serious in the first place, and I'll be glad when it doesn't happen as I think we should keep the bloke!

If Kane’s camp have communicated that he’s not interested in a move to Germany, then it makes no sense to keep pedaling that narrative.

You don’t launch a bid before you’ve atleast made contact with the player. That’s why we often hear personal terms being agreed long before the actual transfer fee.

 

[Gb160]

My guess is that this lowball offer is simply Bayern testing the water, they've clearly been in contact with Kane so all the groundwork, personal terms etc is done.
If they get him on the cheap this summer then great, if not (most likely) it'll be a pre contract in January then a free transfer next summer, which is probably what they ideally want.

 

[HobbitSpur]

The more I think about it the more I feel that the chances of Kane staying beyond next season are increasing.

if Man City wanted him they would have stumped up the cash last year. It appears that most of the noise about Kane moving there was coming from the cockwomble. IMO City would pay the money for a longer term striker if Haaland goes rather than take a 32 year old whose career is coming to a close.

That leaves the rest. We are not “That Far” behind the others. With the right manager, which we appear to have finally landed, and the right investment in the defence we will be in the mix for CL football 24/25.

Bar City there is no other team in the PL who are guaranteed trophies.

If we get everything aligned this season and really have a go, I can see Kane staying.

Big onus on us getting it right this season, but it is not absurd to think we can finish top 4.

 

[KirstyG]

Tbf we’d not need quite so many goals if we didn’t ship as many!

At some point we need to bite the bullet and move on from him because unless we do a domestic treble next year I can’t see him signing again. Huge IF but if we sold him abroad and used the money to Buy Topsoba VDV and someone like Amrabat or similar the overall team would be improved for future years. A good base for the future. That doesn’t negate the need to get another attacker (I’m no expert on who we should go for). This is the game at the moment. However what I guess we all hope is that we do the business regardless of the Kane situation and then spend a year collecting funds for trying to find a suitable set of replacements -
Moneyball style.

If Levy and the crew know they are not going to go ALL in for what will very likely be Kane’s final season and get the players to build for the future then he needs to sell him and use that money to do it.

 

[aliyid]

IMO City would pay the money for a longer term striker if Haaland goes rather than take a 32 year old whose career is coming to a close.

This narrative that Kane is at the very end of his career is really interesting. The guy is 29 yet people seem to think he’s really old.

End of his contract next year he’ll be 30 and on a free transfer