Harry Kane

[Bluto Blutarsky]

If we remove ego from the equation, and also consider the unpredictability of football, would it perhaps be more accurate to say that there is no way of saying with high confidence which route (keeping vs selling Harry Kane this window) is more likely to lead to success?

Nothing in life is guaranteed.

But, if I had to replace Kane in the squad, I would rather do that with £80-100M, than £0.

I don't think Kane will make as much difference in Ange's tactics - in terms of whether we can qualify for CL. We need to upgrade CB more than we need Kane's goals. The goals can come from multiple players - but the defense must be sorted if we are going to have a chance.

 

[mil1lion]

I mean what is success for us these days? We just finished 8th and only couple years ago 7th. I would be more concerned him leaving under Poch with us in top 4. We're at the end of a bad cycle now so it's not the end of the world honestly. We won't be better or worse without him just different.

 

[Harryson]

If Kane leaves I am ripping up the season ticket that I don't have!

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

Anyone who thinks success is more likely without Kane is quite frankly deluded.

There is a decent chance that I am deluded - so I will own that.

And I think Kane is a great player - a true Spurs Legend.

But, he may have a harder time adjusting to Ange's tactics than some of the others. Ange relies on the team to create scoring opportunities - the 3 forwards and both 8s are all part of the attack, and the interplay amongst all of them is important to the attacking movement.

For several years now, we have run everything through Kane - we rely on him to drop deep to get the ball, to move the ball, and to score goals. Ange, is a bit of the opposite where it will not rely on a single player - but rather the collective. Kane would have to adjust how he plays to make the system work effectively. He will have to learn to trust the other players to do their jobs - something he has not had to do for a few years. We saw a little of that against West Ham -and while I am certain that Kane will adjust, the drop-off from Kane to a different striker will not be as steep as most think. Our success will hinge more on how the other players step-up - than the goal output of a replacement striker.

So, I think success without Kane could be more likely - if we use the funds to truly upgrade LCB position (and depth), a multi-purpose Forward, and ensure we have proper depth at CM. The team will be better - even if the striker position is worse.

 

[Cult of Ange High Priest]

"Despite playing on the tour, respecting Ange, appreciating our fans, working hard in training, etc, following a candid conversation with DL the expectation within the Kane camp is that he will not be a Spurs player by the time the window closes."

Kane: I want to go to a club that is serious about winning trophies
DL: We are serious about winning trophies
Kane: Why haven't you bought a centerback?


I don't blame him at all for wanting to go somewhere else.

 

[lobob8]

One good thing about Kane going, as others have said, is for the first time in 5 or 6 years, providing we replace him with someone top class, genuine rotation up front. With Harry, we all know he wants to play every game, and given his status at the club he more or less has. Now, I'll expect to see a very fluid, interchangeable front 3, with Richy and the new man competing and rotating, which is admittedly quite exciting. Think of City as the example, they rotate their front 5 every game and every player gets plenty of game time and all are very effective. That would be the dream setup if we must lose Kane.

 

[jurgen]

Kane: I want to go to a club that is serious about winning trophies
DL: We are serious about winning trophies
Kane: Why haven't you bought a centerback?


I don't blame him at all for wanting to go somewhere else.

First preseason game saw some lovely attacking football and the same braindead defending we've become accustomed to.

Must be so frustrating as a striker to see that happen again and again despite all your goals, especially with no improvements forthcoming. No surprise he wants out asap.

 

[rossdapep]

Kane: I want to go to a club that is serious about winning trophies
DL: We are serious about winning trophies
Kane: Why haven't you bought a centerback?


I don't blame him at all for wanting to go somewhere else.

I think you could probably make that same scenario every season for the last few years.

I think the big one was the CL failure and that following window.

That would have been the first time he would have really questioned the club's ambition. Close to achieving greatness, new stadium and chance to kick on instead we made one big money signing but hardly made a starement of intent. Certainly didnt back what Poch requested.

Jose was supposedly a guarantee to win Harry a trophy and elevate his game.

Whilst Conte was the last throw of the dice.

Dont think this window would have changed anything. He made his mind up as soon as Conte was gone.

 

[Klinsmannic]

Can't go wrong with either Vlahovic or Muani. Different strengths, and so each would play the role differently, but they both have the physical attributes to pin the opposition CBs and go in behind which is needed in our new system (Vlahovic is no slouch, and times runs well as far as I've seen).

The problem is if we don't get one of these two we're a bit lost. I don't think Richi is the answer (good rotation option). Would rather we play Son there and buy someone like Doku to play wide.

 

[Young Nasty Man]

Have a bad feeling it's going to end up Kane out and Todin VDV and some average hardly known in then that be our transfer window finished.
Been here before not kidding myself again that things might change under Levy. All about profit.
Levy will make a low net transfer spend.
Have to feel sorry for Ange if this happens

While history demonstrates that this thought is likely the reality, I actually think Levy will sign someone of note and spend a decent penny. Kane is such a money maker for this club domestically and internationally. He is synonymous with England and has been arguably the best striker for the last decade and sure as hell ain’t far from being the premier league goat. Although Levy is a bean counter, I think he sees a lot of money walking out the door with this move away: licensing, merchandise, etc.

It truly forces Levy’s hand to accept the fact that he has to truly go all in on Ange. That’s not to say he wasn’t, but Levy’s actions over the past few seasons on managerial decisions were built on the fact that this was Kane’s club and that the core group lead by Kane could possibly win something. With Kane gone, he has to fully back Ange and get him the best possible striker for both the brand, ticket sales, and success of the club.

I have been no Levy fan, but money is what he cares about and he will have to re-invest a sizeable amount to recoup the other revenue funnels that are lost with Kane gone.

 

[Metalhead]

Anyone who thinks success is more likely without Kane is quite frankly deluded.

Who knows BUT the road that we can keep kicking the can down is running out.

 

[Col_M]

It's crazy how cynical people can be. God forbid when you have a great servant for the club who wants to leave to win titles. He's one of our all time greats, our greatest goalscorer. He can both love the club and want to better his career elsewhere. Very few players play at one club only, particularly world class ones. Even then usually only if they're playing at one of the top clubs winning titles anyway. Why anyone thinks he should be any different is beyond me. Oh but it's ok when fans wany rid of players though.

I guess you can go on believing he doesn't care for us if that makes you feel better. Just go on the assumption that all players who leave actually don't give a shit about us. That leaves very few who have ever loved us if that's the view.

classic SARA
Shock, Anger, Realisation Acceptance. We all process these emotions and a different pace.

 

[degoose]

Anyone who thinks success is more likely without Kane is quite frankly deluded.

i don't remember success(i assume you mean trophies) with Kane and he played quite a few finals. So if it is not likely, it is not basically the same.

 

[Russ1201]

While history demonstrates that this thought is likely the reality, I actually think Levy will sign someone of note and spend a decent penny. Kane is such a money maker for this club domestically and internationally. He is synonymous with England and has been arguably the best striker for the last decade and sure as hell ain’t far from being the premier league goat. Although Levy is a bean counter, I think he sees a lot of money walking out the door with this move away: licensing, merchandise, etc.

It truly forces Levy’s hand to accept the fact that he has to truly go all in on Ange. That’s not to say he wasn’t, but Levy’s actions over the past few seasons on managerial decisions were built on the fact that this was Kane’s club and that the core group lead by Kane could possibly win something. With Kane gone, he has to fully back Ange and get him the best possible striker for both the brand, ticket sales, and success of the club.

I have been no Levy fan, but money is what he cares about and he will have to re-invest a sizeable amount to recoup the other revenue funnels that are lost with Kane gone.

Makes logical sense and hopefully this does happen but us fans have been let down so many times and we seem to be heading the same path again and seem to be dragging out bids negotiations etc.
I can honestly see us running out of time before the season starts.

 

[Tucker]

i don't remember success(i assume you mean trophies) with Kane and he played quite a few finals. So if it is not likely, it is not basically the same.

This is exactly the kind of delusion I’m talking about. “Oh he never performed in finals.” Give me a break.

He’s the best striker to have ever played for the club, he’s arguably been the best striker in the world over the last decade.

There’s no world where we aren’t worse off without Kane in the team.

Him leaving is a huge blow to our ambitions and plans and people need to stop kidding themselves that it isn’t.

 

[jay2040]

This is exactly the kind of delusion I’m talking about. “Oh he never performed in finals.” Give me a break.

He’s the best striker to have ever played for the club, he’s arguably been the best striker in the world over the last decade.

There’s no world where we aren’t worse off without Kane in the team.

Him leaving is a huge blow to our ambitions and plans and people need to stop kidding themselves that it isn’t.

Agree. Peeps that say we never won anything with him don't seem to take into account how bad we would have been without him.

 

[THOWIG]

This is exactly the kind of delusion I’m talking about. “Oh he never performed in finals.” Give me a break.

He’s the best striker to have ever played for the club, he’s arguably been the best striker in the world over the last decade.

There’s no world where we aren’t worse off without Kane in the team.

Him leaving is a huge blow to our ambitions and plans and people need to stop kidding themselves that it isn’t.

Agree, but he wants out so we need to deal with it.

He's the best striker in the world for me. Alongside Bale, Modric, Gazza and Hoddle he's the best Spurs player I've seen.

 

[Metalhead]

This is exactly the kind of delusion I’m talking about. “Oh he never performed in finals.” Give me a break.

He’s the best striker to have ever played for the club, he’s arguably been the best striker in the world over the last decade.

There’s no world where we aren’t worse off without Kane in the team.

Him leaving is a huge blow to our ambitions and plans and people need to stop kidding themselves that it isn’t.

There's nothing we can do apart from try and be positive and hope that the tactics that Ange employs will encourage more goals across the board rather than one or two outlets. No point in being morose - we've survived top players leaving before and we will again.

 

[Misfit]

What a sodding waste it's been. Squandering a world class club legend throughout his prime. Clubs don't often get these opportunities.

 

[THOWIG]

If Ferguson isn't an option I think I'm I'd rather see us invest in a top class winger, midfielder and centre backs and see what the deal is with Toney in the new year.