Harry Kane

[Bluto Blutarsky]

I'm pretty convinced that Bayern saying they made 'progress' probably just means we gave them a price. Looks like they are nowhere near it.

I guess - watch to see if they go off and start getting linked to other strikers.

And, from our perspective - see if the Social Media team starts to put out Kane content.


If either of those things happen, I would say the teams are too far apart.

 

[Stav]

The Times reports that Bayern are ready to bid £85m (constituted in what way, can't see as it's paywalled) Ornstein says they are ~£25 million out which suggests we are valuing Kane at £110m, and that points to a potential meeting point of £100m, which is pretty much what we've thought would be an acceptable offer from day 1.

https://archive.is/ is your amazing friend to get around paywalls by the way.

 

[muel]

Bayern are taking the absolute piss! Fuck those mugs

*disclaimer 2 things can be true at once. Levy could have put us in this situation and Bayern could be low balling arse holes at the same time

 

[wrd]

I presume you're blaming this on Levy / the board. How many of your bullet points came from the horses mouth and how many were rumours / speculation?


Which other teams were in the middle of building an £800m stadium during Brexit and the pandemic?
Mistakes have certainly been made, but it was to be expected that we would be impacted by these factors far more significantly than any other PL team was.


Arsenal is an odd comparison to choose.

Arsenal's stadium opened 13 years before ours. It cost less than half as much as ours did and they had finished paying for it over half a decade before ours opened. Therefore, they are currently about 15-20 years ahead of us in terms of paying for and enjoying the financial benefits of a new stadium.
While they were paying for their new stadium, their transfer spending was massively impacted and they became a "selling club" with star players like Henry and Fabregas jumping ship, despite the increased matchday revenue. They went from regularly winning and challenging for major trophies to going 9 years without a trophy. After paying off their stadium, they went 6 consecutive seasons without qualifying for the CL.

So if Arsenal is the example we should be matching, for how a club should perform in similar (but in reality more favourable) circumstances to ours, you should expect:
- Kane & Son to leave.
- Our squad to become gradually weaker year-on-year for the medium term.
- A prolonged absence from the CL.
- Two or three domestic cup wins in circa 2030, but having a PL points tally closer to mid-table than to the title contenders.
- Qualifying for the CL for the first time in years in circa 2035-2040.

If we do better than the above during the next decade, we will have exceeded what Arsenal achieved. If we do similar or slightly worse than the above, it will be extremely disappointing, but pretty consistent with what should realistically be expected, if we are to use Arsenal as an example of what is "good" or "par" under the circumstances.

It seems Kane is going, but I remain optimistic that we will still do better than Arsenal did.

Well if we're going to approach it like then perhaps we should include what happened for each club prior to the stadium being built, considering that the way we approached it was sold as learning from the mistakes Arsenal made and so we chose to tighten in the years leading to the stadium and sacrifice competing because short term sacrifice was worth it for what came after.

However based on your interpretation of events I guess we are ignoring the difference in approach prior to the stadium and therefore we can include what each team was achieving prior to their stadiums being open. So add to your list:

Two League and F.A cup doubles including a league campaign going unbeaten
An additional league win
Two additional F.A cups

So no, I don't think if we achieve your list we have exceeded expectations because it failed to acknowledge lead up to the stadium opening and the stadium's bearing on such factors.

 

[tubbygold]

I think we’d do well to get conference league without Kane. Everyone seems to be hanging their hopes on the defenders suddenly coming in and making things ok straight away.

They’ll need time to adjust to he league and gel with the team. I think people need to prepare themselves for the team to be shipping a lot of goals for the first few months.

Now things could work out ok up front for Richarlison or Sonny, but it’s also possible we have 30 chances a game and score two goals while conceding three or four.

Losing 30 goals from this team is not something anyone should be comfortable with imo.

I didn't mean I think we'll get top 4 or whatever, I'm prepared for a transitional season. But I do feel good about the long term.

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

The other thing that can still happen here - Bayern could test Kane's commitment, and see if he will come down from his wage requirements to allow Bayern to meet Spurs' valuation.

If Kane really wants out - he would make some compromise, Bayern would make some compromise, and Spurs would make some compromise.

But, if Kane really is happy to see out his deal here - then Bayern are in a pickle.

 

[Scott Spur]

I think we’d do well to get conference league without Kane. Everyone seems to be hanging their hopes on the defenders suddenly coming in and making things ok straight away.

They’ll need time to adjust to he league and gel with the team. I think people need to prepare themselves for the team to be shipping a lot of goals for the first few months.

Now things could work out ok up front for Richarlison or Sonny, but it’s also possible we have 30 chances a game and score two goals while conceding three or four.

Losing 30 goals from this team is not something anyone should be comfortable with imo.

We may lose 30 goals from Kane, but stick with Dier, Sanchez & Co and we’ll ship 50 at the other end. They made a Singapore pub team look like an elite attacking unit for 45 minutes.

 

[Ben1]

And they're about to sell Mane for €25m-ish aren't they...?

I get this line of thinking, but it’s not like Bayern will be waiting for it to drop into their account like payday. They know it’s coming and any pre Kane talks can quite easily factor it in.

 

[Mr Pink]

Was really hoping we would have some closure one way or another on this but it's clearly going to drag on for some time yet. Just feel sorry for Ange tbh. We are now under two weeks until our first game, we still have no new CB's and our star player's future is in serious doubt. Nothing surprises me anymore with this club, even when we have a new manager who clearly wants to get us playing exciting football that I'm really looking forward to watching, I'm still just pissed off!

It's so predcitable it's pathetic really.

 

[Ben1]

The other thing that can still happen here - Bayern could test Kane's commitment, and see if he will come down from his wage requirements to allow Bayern to meet Spurs' valuation.

If Kane really wants out - he would make some compromise, Bayern would make some compromise, and Spurs would make some compromise.

But, if Kane really is happy to see out his deal here - then Bayern are in a pickle.

Yep, German sources already suggesting they now want Kane to push more for the move

 

[worcestersauce]

I can just imagine Bayern doing all the calculations, he is ready to sign for us, only a year left on his contract, his club need to get on with their rebuild and no European football revenue so they will be getting desperate and we've got the upper hand.
Now sitting on the plane home going "what the fuck just happened"?

 

[Scot-Spur]

Gary Jacob saying they offered 85£ million and we want 100£ million. I see that being bridged in all honesty.

 

[spursyido1]

The Times reports that Bayern are ready to bid £85m (constituted in what way, can't see as it's paywalled) Ornstein says they are ~£25 million out which suggests we are valuing Kane at £110m, and that points to a potential meeting point of £100m, which is pretty much what we've thought would be an acceptable offer from day 1.

Harry Kane: Bayern Munich confident of signing forward after positive talks in London​

German club are determined to conclude transfer by the end of this week but potential bid of up to £85 million still falls short of what Tottenham want

Bayern Munich are increasingly confident of signing Harry Kane after holding positive talks with Tottenham Hotspur on Monday.

Bayern officials signalled they are ready to bid up to £85 million for the England captain during a lunch meeting in London with Daniel Levy, the Tottenham chairman, before they returned to Germany on Monday night. Tottenham would want an offer of about £100 million to sell their record goalscorer and have been looking for young forwards as potential replacements.

The German champions are determined to conclude a transfer by the end of this week although they are conscious of exerting too much pressure on Tottenham, who need to line up other deals.

Progress was said to have been made by Jan-Christian Dreesen, the Bayern chief executive, who was accompanied by Marco Neppe, the technical director. It was the second round of talks after Dreesen met Levy shortly before Tottenham left for their pre-season tour to Australia, Thailand and Singapore last month.

Bayern have made Kane, 30, their top target and have had a second bid rejected, worth £68.5 million plus add-ons. Kane has entered the final year of his contract and stands to get a big pay rise to about £400,000 a week if he moves this summer.

 

[ReadieSpur]

I've made my peace with him going now. However, it's going to be a weird feeling seeing whatever striker we have get through on goal or win a penalty and still be uncertain to score. We've all become so used to it being a foregone conclusion that chance = goal or penalty = goal.

 

[Oscar22]

Still feel like Bayern need this to happen now tbh, I feel if Kane stays till next Summer they drop way down the list of offers and he’ll have a better place to head to.

 

[Klinsmannesque]

Bayern are taking the absolute piss! Fuck those mugs

*disclaimer 2 things can be true at once. Levy could have put us in this situation and Bayern could be low balling arse holes at the same time

Even if they were closer I doubt they admit to it. Levy will still want other clubs thinking it’s 50:50 and not a done deal.

I can’t see it not done just because I don’t believe for a second he’ll let him go on a free. That goes against every single thing we’ve seen him do before

 

[muel]

Anyone think there’s a chance it HAS been agreed but there’s an agreement to keep shtum in order not to inflate our other business? (West Ham have been screwed in the market from the Rice sale)

 

[bigfrooj]

I'm convinced they'll have to come up with a package about £50m more than they've alleged to have offered so far. I know it's boring but if you contextualise what Kane is worth in comparison with the latest British transfer dealings he's not going for less and that's for sure

 

[worcestersauce]

And they're about to sell Mane for €25m-ish aren't they...?

I don't know if that's come into their thinking but I'm damn well certain it's come into Daniel Levy's.

 

[McFlash]

Not sure why anyone is surprised by what's happened today.

Is anyone surprised?
I think the only surprise might be that the Germans travelled all the way over here, expecting anything other than their derisory offer to get treated as deserved.
They could have done all this via the internet but that probably wouldn't have given them the media attention and "pressure" they crave.

Everybody knows what sort of money it'll take to prise Kane away from Levy, apparently apart from Bayern.