mark87
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Don't get too close, 25 feet should do it.
Harry Winks - Leicester City
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Don't get too close, 25 feet should do it.
Shadydan
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He got injured playing under Sam Allerdyce
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To be fair, it was just called plain Georgia until you voted Trump in.
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You've got Georgia on your mind?
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Rose was injured away to Sunderland 31/01/17
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I think you accidentally added: . Who's
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I think one of the things that the England team is missing is a dynamic player in midfield, a really busy, positive player. I think that HW can be that player both for Spurs (first and foremost) and for England.
That said I think this call up is more about giving him some encouragement that he's doing well but needs to keep working hard. Well done Harry.
That said I think this call up is more about giving him some encouragement that he's doing well but needs to keep working hard. Well done Harry.
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So excited to see Winks playing for England. I've read a little bit of criticism on Twitter concerning how he's only started three games, it's too easy to get call-ups nowadays etc...these are understandable points, but I'm looking forward to Winks showing that there's nothing to worry about. I fully expect him to be a squad regular from now on.
Incidentally, it feels like a minor watershed that, for the first time (that I can think of, anyone I'm forgetting?) we might 'overtake' England in that Winks may be closer to a regular starting spot for the national side than he is for Spurs.
Incidentally, it feels like a minor watershed that, for the first time (that I can think of, anyone I'm forgetting?) we might 'overtake' England in that Winks may be closer to a regular starting spot for the national side than he is for Spurs.
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I think he can be the player England fans desperately wanted Wilshere to be. They're fairly similar players, maybe Wilshere has a bit more creativity about him, but Winks obviously makes up for it by having bones that aren't formed from compacted grease and wet crisps.
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Opposition fans angry at his call up ignoring the fact that pretty much every English CM available these days is utter shite. Of course they're going to look to the one young talent with a little experience who looks like he could offer some ability on the ball.
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Southgate clearly rates the conditioning of players under Poch so although Winks is only just getting back to the first team at Spurs it probably still means he is fitter than most other players in the country and so a good player to call up last minute. Also Southgate will know him form Under 21 etc., plus knows that Spurs players can play to instructions in a variety of formations. Poch breeds intelligent players, not just super fit footballers.
Not sure if Winks will feature but I really hope so as I can't see many better English players in his position.
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If Mark Noble or Tom Cleverley got called up, the same people would be moaning about shit players and that England have no craft - Faux outrage, people just need to say something to get their point across, it's boring.
i want him to come on for Henderson at the 60th at 0-0 or itchy 1-0 up; play some sensible, dynamic, forward balls and this to highlight why Henderson is a plank.
Sadly when the chips are down like this I can't see southgate giving Winks a debut, more likely to shuffle stupidly to fit Ox in the middle or something
Sadly when the chips are down like this I can't see southgate giving Winks a debut, more likely to shuffle stupidly to fit Ox in the middle or something
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Henderson is essentially the unofficial captain now isn't he? No chance will he be getting hooked regardless of how utterly, soul-destroyingly mediocre he is.
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Agreed. Plus Winks isn't a ****.
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http://www.squawka.com/news/harry-w...o-england-analysis/995964#Oq1aTXOgBiBhpVMZ.97
Harry Winks’ Dembele-esque skillset explains his value to England
By Oliver Young-Myles
Being English and receiving one-to-one tuition from Mauricio Pochettino is virtually a guarantee of a senior international call-up these days with Harry Winks the latest player to benefit from the Argentine’s expertise.
Should Winks debut for England against either Slovenia or Lithuania, it will mean that 14 of England’s last 29 debutants have been coached by Pochettino before their first call-up. Winks’ teammate Kieran Trippier became the latest to do so against France in June.
The 21-year-old midfielder has featured for England at all age levels from U17 upwards, has captained his country at youth level and was set to start for the U21s in their games against Scotland and Andorra before being parachuted into Gareth Southgate’s senior squad.
Reaction to Winks’ call-up has been somewhat sceptical with plenty of people quick to point out Winks’ lack of regular first-team football with his club but realistically there were few other viable candidates for Southgate to call upon.
Now that Winks is in the England squad what attributes does he bring that Southgate’s other midfield players lack and how does he compare to some of the players who missed out?
Playing style
When Winks made his breakthrough into the Spurs squad last year it quickly became apparent that he was extremely accomplished with the ball at his feet by rarely misplacing a pass.
While initially, Winks naturally took the safe option with his passing, a goal against West Ham on his first Premier League start (fifth top-flight game overall) resulted in him playing with more confidence and freedom.
In his debut Premier League season, Winks achieved a pass accuracy rate of 91% – only bettered in the Spurs squad by Mousa Dembele – with just under two-thirds (57.1%) of his total passes going forward to a teammate in an advanced position on the pitch.
Winks’ propensity to recycle the ball and retain possession comfortably was evident during Spurs’ Champions League game against CSKA Moscow at Wembley last December, when he completed 107/112 (96%) attempted passes which was the sixth-highest total of any player in that gameweek.
He has been similarly resourceful on the ball this season, averaging an 87% pass accuracy rate across five appearances in the Premier League which incidentally is superior to his competitors in the England squad, Jordan Henderson (75%) and Jake Livermore (79%) and only fractionally worse than his clubmate Eric Dier (88%).
Now that Winks is in the England squad what attributes does he bring that Southgate’s other midfield players lack and how does he compare to some of the players who missed out?
Playing style
When Winks made his breakthrough into the Spurs squad last year it quickly became apparent that he was extremely accomplished with the ball at his feet by rarely misplacing a pass.
While initially, Winks naturally took the safe option with his passing, a goal against West Ham on his first Premier League start (fifth top-flight game overall) resulted in him playing with more confidence and freedom.
In his debut Premier League season, Winks achieved a pass accuracy rate of 91% – only bettered in the Spurs squad by Mousa Dembele – with just under two-thirds (57.1%) of his total passes going forward to a teammate in an advanced position on the pitch.
Winks’ propensity to recycle the ball and retain possession comfortably was evident during Spurs’ Champions League game against CSKA Moscow at Wembley last December, when he completed 107/112 (96%) attempted passes which was the sixth-highest total of any player in that gameweek.
He has been similarly resourceful on the ball this season, averaging an 87% pass accuracy rate across five appearances in the Premier League which incidentally is superior to his competitors in the England squad, Jordan Henderson (75%) and Jake Livermore (79%) and only fractionally worse than his clubmate Eric Dier (88%).
Some fans have championed Jonjo Shelvey’s cause but he isn’t that kind of player and is used in a similar deep-lying playmaker role to Henderson and Dier. Others have called for Wilshere off the back of a couple of promising Europa League displays but his failure to secure any minutes in the Premier League is perhaps why he has been left out. Ruben Loftus-Cheek, a player utilised heavily by Southgate at youth level could also have been in contention despite Crystal Palace’s dire start to the season.
Perhaps of all the central midfield players that Southgate might have been tempted to select, Everton’s Tom Davies had as big a claim as any, considering he has been a key player for his side since breaking into the first-team last season.
While not as accurate in his passing, Davies has shown more in an attacking sense than Winks thus far but on this occasion, Southgate might have gone for the Spurs man giving he is two years older and has slightly more top-level experience.
Winks’ call-up might seem premature given he has yet to fully establish himself as a key component of the Tottenham side, but plenty of England’s key players such as Raheem Sterling and Dele Alli were also integrated into the squad ahead of schedule due to a lack of alternatives.
England’s dearth of central midfield options right now means that Southgate has to take chances on relatively unproven players and while Winks might not have played much football this season after overcoming an ankle injury, his skill-set offers England something different in midfield.
Harry Winks’ Dembele-esque skillset explains his value to England
By Oliver Young-Myles
Being English and receiving one-to-one tuition from Mauricio Pochettino is virtually a guarantee of a senior international call-up these days with Harry Winks the latest player to benefit from the Argentine’s expertise.
Should Winks debut for England against either Slovenia or Lithuania, it will mean that 14 of England’s last 29 debutants have been coached by Pochettino before their first call-up. Winks’ teammate Kieran Trippier became the latest to do so against France in June.
The 21-year-old midfielder has featured for England at all age levels from U17 upwards, has captained his country at youth level and was set to start for the U21s in their games against Scotland and Andorra before being parachuted into Gareth Southgate’s senior squad.
Reaction to Winks’ call-up has been somewhat sceptical with plenty of people quick to point out Winks’ lack of regular first-team football with his club but realistically there were few other viable candidates for Southgate to call upon.
Now that Winks is in the England squad what attributes does he bring that Southgate’s other midfield players lack and how does he compare to some of the players who missed out?
Playing style
When Winks made his breakthrough into the Spurs squad last year it quickly became apparent that he was extremely accomplished with the ball at his feet by rarely misplacing a pass.
While initially, Winks naturally took the safe option with his passing, a goal against West Ham on his first Premier League start (fifth top-flight game overall) resulted in him playing with more confidence and freedom.
In his debut Premier League season, Winks achieved a pass accuracy rate of 91% – only bettered in the Spurs squad by Mousa Dembele – with just under two-thirds (57.1%) of his total passes going forward to a teammate in an advanced position on the pitch.
Winks’ propensity to recycle the ball and retain possession comfortably was evident during Spurs’ Champions League game against CSKA Moscow at Wembley last December, when he completed 107/112 (96%) attempted passes which was the sixth-highest total of any player in that gameweek.
He has been similarly resourceful on the ball this season, averaging an 87% pass accuracy rate across five appearances in the Premier League which incidentally is superior to his competitors in the England squad, Jordan Henderson (75%) and Jake Livermore (79%) and only fractionally worse than his clubmate Eric Dier (88%).
Now that Winks is in the England squad what attributes does he bring that Southgate’s other midfield players lack and how does he compare to some of the players who missed out?
Playing style
When Winks made his breakthrough into the Spurs squad last year it quickly became apparent that he was extremely accomplished with the ball at his feet by rarely misplacing a pass.
While initially, Winks naturally took the safe option with his passing, a goal against West Ham on his first Premier League start (fifth top-flight game overall) resulted in him playing with more confidence and freedom.
In his debut Premier League season, Winks achieved a pass accuracy rate of 91% – only bettered in the Spurs squad by Mousa Dembele – with just under two-thirds (57.1%) of his total passes going forward to a teammate in an advanced position on the pitch.
Winks’ propensity to recycle the ball and retain possession comfortably was evident during Spurs’ Champions League game against CSKA Moscow at Wembley last December, when he completed 107/112 (96%) attempted passes which was the sixth-highest total of any player in that gameweek.
He has been similarly resourceful on the ball this season, averaging an 87% pass accuracy rate across five appearances in the Premier League which incidentally is superior to his competitors in the England squad, Jordan Henderson (75%) and Jake Livermore (79%) and only fractionally worse than his clubmate Eric Dier (88%).
Some fans have championed Jonjo Shelvey’s cause but he isn’t that kind of player and is used in a similar deep-lying playmaker role to Henderson and Dier. Others have called for Wilshere off the back of a couple of promising Europa League displays but his failure to secure any minutes in the Premier League is perhaps why he has been left out. Ruben Loftus-Cheek, a player utilised heavily by Southgate at youth level could also have been in contention despite Crystal Palace’s dire start to the season.
Perhaps of all the central midfield players that Southgate might have been tempted to select, Everton’s Tom Davies had as big a claim as any, considering he has been a key player for his side since breaking into the first-team last season.
While not as accurate in his passing, Davies has shown more in an attacking sense than Winks thus far but on this occasion, Southgate might have gone for the Spurs man giving he is two years older and has slightly more top-level experience.
Winks’ call-up might seem premature given he has yet to fully establish himself as a key component of the Tottenham side, but plenty of England’s key players such as Raheem Sterling and Dele Alli were also integrated into the squad ahead of schedule due to a lack of alternatives.
England’s dearth of central midfield options right now means that Southgate has to take chances on relatively unproven players and while Winks might not have played much football this season after overcoming an ankle injury, his skill-set offers England something different in midfield.
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Nice to see Gazza congratulating him.
It's not beyond people - others are taking the viewpoint that actually he may get a big confidence boost out of it that might actually translate onto the pitch for Spurs. He himself seems delighted rather than petrified
Also massively reject your point re producing a mixed bag. He has been very good in most of the games he has played in IMO since coming into the team. At least a 7/10 and on occasions doing more. And it's a nice stat to say fewer than 10 starts but you do him a disservice ignoring that he played a part in the majority of games last year when fit and was Pochs go to man to control and see out games
Personally think you are making way too big a deal out of it and then getting in a condescending huff because people don't agree
