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How Gareth Southgate tried the Tottenham template with England

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Interim manager attempted to copy the Spurs tactical plan against Slovenia - but it wasn't a complete success

Gareth Southgate made one particular change to the England team that faced Slovenia on Tuesday night that was fairly widely reported this week.

But the repercussions went further than the England interim manager losing his place on Wayne Rooney’s Christmas card list. The outcome of bringing Eric Dier into midfield for the Manchester United man completely changed the way the team played and had an impact all over the pitch.

Before kick-off Southgate pointed out the swap was not like for like in terms of personnel – but it also utterly changed the tactics.

England adopted the Tottenham technique – nearly.

Tottenham’s title challenge last season and their impressive start to this has been built on manager Mauricio Pochettino playing with his full-backs, Kyle Walker and Danny Rose (who happen to be the England full-backs), high up the pitch when his team are in possession, providing attacking options, strength in numbers and crosses into the box. In order that the defence is not exposed, Dier drops in between the centre-backs who move wide to cover the marauding full-backs.

Southgate, emboldened by having the same trio in his team, tried the same trick. But there were key differences, and subsequently problems, all over the pitch.

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Full-backs Danny Rose and Kyle Walker are key to the way England - and Tottenham - play
When Rose and Walker push on for Spurs, the “wide” midfielders ahead of them in the 3 of their 4-2-3-1 formation are Christian Eirksen and Erik Lamela both of whom are not really touchline-hugging wingers. They are happy to drift inside and pick up the ball in dangerous areas outside the area. They have a neat touch, great vision.

For England the wide midfielders in their 4-2-3-1 against Slovenia were Theo Walcott and Jesse Lingard who are much more traditional ‘chalk on your boots’ wingers. The result was Walcott and Lingard looking cramped and crowded out with their full-backs invading their space and treading on their toes.

Walker and Walcott, in particular, spent the evening on completely different wavelengths with the former often remonstrating with the latter about where he should or should not be. At one point, Walcott tried to drop a five-yard pass to Walker but underplayed it because the pair were almost holding hands. There just wasn’t the space was for two wingers on one side. As a result, Walcott had fewer touches of the ball than any England starter, including Joe Hart.

Lingard fared little better down the left. The pair tried to drift inside to receive the ball – Lingard managed it a little better in the game’s dying stages - but were not found by their team-mates. When they were, Walcott in particular does not have the touch of an Eirksen and it made for a frustrating night for the Arsenal man. He was hooked after an hour.

But it wasn’t just in an attacking sense that England failed to pull off the Tottenham technique.

When Rose and Walker attack in the white of Spurs the central defenders Jan Vertonghen or Toby Alderweireld move wide to cover but both are used to playing as full-backs (Vertonghen often does it for Belgium) so it is not an alien concept for them.

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Jesse Lingard and Danny Rose (either side of Andros Townsend) leave the pitch at the end of the draw with Slovenia (Getty)
When Roes and Walker attack in the white of England it is Gary Cahill and John Stones who are asked to cover. Cahill played on the right of the two central defenders against Slovenia and is an old fashioned centre-half: good in the tackle, strong in the air. However, he doesn’t have the experience of playing full-back so asking him to cover for the marauding Walker is asking for trouble – which duly came England’s way to the extent that they were fortunate to bring a point home from the World Cup qualifier.

Cahill, whose distribution was awful and whose habit of diving in was so nearly exposed, will struggle to stay in the team if Southgate persists with this way of playing. John Stones is much more adaptable and much more comfortable on the ball and looks like a fixture for years to come.

There is a school of thought that England should play 4-4-2 so blessed, comparatively, are they in the striking department. But the Tottenham tactical plan could work, too, if it is built around the five Spurs players of Rose, Walker, Dier, Dele Alli and Harry Kane. Many World Cup-winning teams have been constructed around a nucleus of players from the same club: Germany and Bayern, Spain and Barcelona for example.

With that thought, though, we might just be getting ahead of ourselves…
 
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Except it was fuck all like the way we play. He had Walcott and Lingard out wide practically snuffing out Walker and Rose's usefulness as providing the width to the team. Fuck all pressing and shit tempo. Sorry Southgate, but that was nothing like Spurs.
 

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I think he makes a supposition that you have to be comfortable as a fullback to play as a split centreback. It definitely helps Verts and Toby, but there are plenty of other examples who don't - like Pique, Mascherano, Hummels, etc.

I do think following a Spurs/Liverpool plan is probably the way to go for England.
 

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I think he makes a supposition that you have to be comfortable as a fullback to play as a split centreback. It definitely helps Verts and Toby, but there are plenty of other examples who don't - like Pique, Mascherano, Hummels, etc.

I do think following a Spurs/Liverpool plan is probably the way to go for England.

Exactly. The whole team needs to do it.

Interestingly the best England have played in the high press, full-backs-in-play style was when we played Germany away.

We had the Spurs boys in the team, plus Lallana (Poch/Klopp), Henderson (Klopp) and Welbeck, who is possibly England's only recognised wide forward.

And that is so important. The whole team needs a lot of experience in being trained to play that way or it simply doesn't work.

If you drop Rooney, Lingard, Walcott into that setup they won't do it right. You'll invite far too much pressure on your midfield and won't get the full backs into the game.

This basically nullifies the principal threat of the system and, as a result, you end up creating very little. Which seems to me exactly what happened to England last night.
 
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Except it was fuck all like the way we play. He had Walcott and Lingard out wide practically snuffing out Walker and Rose's usefulness as providing the width to the team. Fuck all pressing and shit tempo. Sorry Southgate, but that was nothing like Spurs.
Early doors excuses already? I don't bother watching England but they don't have the personnel to play how we do, the only way they could would be to offload Cahill, Walcott, Henderson and Sturridge.
If Southgate really fancies it and wants to switch from the dross tactical ineptitude that's been thrown up by England since GH's 3-5-2 (which won us a tournament let's not forget) then surely he needs to look at a nucleus of players from us, a couple of 'smaller name' players who are familiar with the type of football being peddled and also promoting from the u21's.
 

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I seriously couldn't give a flying feck about England and the best news possible would be all our players to retire from international duty
 

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I'm still shell shocked that someone as useless as Southgate was even given the England job, albeit temporary. In his day he was an ok defender but ever since he was handed the reins of Middlesbrough (relegated), the England under 21's etc has been nothing but disastrous.
 

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Early doors excuses already? I don't bother watching England but they don't have the personnel to play how we do, the only way they could would be to offload Cahill, Walcott, Henderson and Sturridge.
If Southgate really fancies it and wants to switch from the dross tactical ineptitude that's been thrown up by England since GH's 3-5-2 (which won us a tournament let's not forget) then surely he needs to look at a nucleus of players from us, a couple of 'smaller name' players who are familiar with the type of football being peddled and also promoting from the u21's.

Basically this.

However, the problem with England is it's a total circus.

This would never happen because to the fans it's all about how many of their club's players get called up, and for the media it's all about droning on about who has been dropped or isn't playing, especially when we're not getting the results.

The 'Rooney debate' over the past week has been cringeworthy. All that airtime for a player who hasn't had a good game for Man Utd for about 18 months, let alone his country.

The whole backbone of that team is based on reputation and media rhetoric, not any sort of tactics or foresight.

To do as you suggest, which would be our best chance of getting anywhere, would take a manager with insanely large testicles!
 

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Exactly. The whole team needs to do it.

Interestingly the best England have played in the high press, full-backs-in-play style was when we played Germany away.

We had the Spurs boys in the team, plus Lallana (Poch/Klopp), Henderson (Klopp) and Welbeck, who is possibly England's only recognised wide forward.

And that is so important. The whole team needs a lot of experience in being trained to play that way or it simply doesn't work.

If you drop Rooney, Lingard, Walcott into that setup they won't do it right. You'll invite far too much pressure on your midfield and won't get the full backs into the game.

This basically nullifies the principal threat of the system and, as a result, you end up creating very little. Which seems to me exactly what happened to England last night.
Yeah, I mean England could ideally play:

Butland
Walker Smalling Stones Rose
Dier Henderson
Lallana Alli Sterling
Kane
Rashford, Wellbeck, on the bench, and you've got a team which should be able to press together. Probably need to find a better CB than Smalling long term, Holgate looks promising at Everton.
 

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Yeah, I mean England could ideally play:

Butland
Walker Smalling Stones Rose
Dier Henderson
Lallana Alli Sterling
Kane
Rashford, Wellbeck, on the bench, and you've got a team which should be able to press together. Probably need to find a better CB than Smalling long term, Holgate looks promising at Everton.

I would swap Henderson for Harry Winks who is already a far superior player.
 

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I'm still shell shocked that someone as useless as Southgate was even given the England job, albeit temporary. In his day he was an ok defender but ever since he was handed the reins of Middlesbrough (relegated), the England under 21's etc has been nothing but disastrous.

Yes but as Sol Campbell would say, "He's a whitey, Vote Tory!" ;)

Jokes aside, Southgate is the epitome of the safe choice, scandal wise. I think that is why he was given the reins temporarily. Imagine if they'd given control to Harry Redknapp... :ROFLMAO: or George Graham.... :cautious: There'd be another expose on them the next day.
 

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I was playing around on BBC earlier on and they had a make your own England squad. I adopted the spurs formula and went with the following.



Edit: just seen that a near identical team has been posted above.
 
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Yeah, I mean England could ideally play:

Butland
Walker Smalling Stones Rose
Dier Henderson
Lallana Alli Sterling
Kane
Rashford, Wellbeck, on the bench, and you've got a team which should be able to press together. Probably need to find a better CB than Smalling long term, Holgate looks promising at Everton.
That's about as good as it gets at the moment, the only one I'd disagree with is welbeck in for sterling because he's actually done alright when called upon.
Sorry, throw Henderson in as well but he won't get dropped for the next three years now...
 

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That's about as good as it gets at the moment, the only one I'd disagree with is welbeck in for sterling because he's actually done alright when called upon.
Sorry, throw Henderson in as well but he won't get dropped for the next three years now...
Sterling has been one of the most productive players in the league and is only going to get better under Pep. Wellbeck is reliable, and solid if you want press. But surely his injury problems will take their toll on his body.
 

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Yeah, I mean England could ideally play:

Butland
Walker Smalling Stones Rose
Dier Henderson
Lallana Alli Sterling
Kane
Rashford, Wellbeck, on the bench, and you've got a team which should be able to press together. Probably need to find a better CB than Smalling long term, Holgate looks promising at Everton.

That's a well balanced team, but Henderson plays very deep, without making the runs that Dembele does. I don;t really see him as a box-to-box midfielder.
Against a team that sits back (i.e. in most qualifying games, but not at WC finals), we might be better off with a slightly different CM pairing. I'm not sure who though. At risk of some negative ratings...Rooney? :p
 

danielneeds

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That's a well balanced team, but Henderson plays very deep, without making the runs that Dembele does. I don;t really see him as a box-to-box midfielder.
Against a team that sits back (i.e. in most qualifying games, but not at WC finals), we might be better off with a slightly different CM pairing. I'm not sure who though. At risk of some negative ratings...Rooney? :p
We probably need a more inventive midfielder there, but if we're looking to press high and win the ball, score with one or two passes then Henderson's mobility and legs could help.
 

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It took Poch at least a season and half to get us playing his way so I don't think England will get it after a few days. This is the point though - why the fuck is anyone judging Southgate after 2 games and about 6 training sessions? What an earth can anyone hope to gain from that? Club managers spend week after week with squads getting them to play how they want. And then real judgements on how they are doing doesn't happen until around 10 games in. It's stupid that anyone can expect Southgate to have any effect good or bad after only a few days.
 
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