How good can Tom Carroll become?

[Misfit]

Dont think Maribor were too shabby to be honest they passed the ball well.

On Tom I dont see too much to get 'over' excited about. Sadly for us I use Wilthire as a gage as to good. He is excellent and the same age. Tom is a far way behind

Indeed. OTOH players developed at different rates and we don't k ow if Wilshire will improve even more etc.

But yes, let's keep the champers in the fridge and our fingers crossed. Far too early to start rubbing one out.

 

[rebrab]

Also, Carroll has actually said that he tried to bulk up to improve his game but he found it slowed him down and actually hindered him, so he dropped the extra weight to maintain mobility.

 

[Kingellesar]

Joe Allen 2.0

So worst case we get £15m from Liverpool, I'm fine with that.

 

[worcestersauce]

Posted something to this effect in the other Tom Carroll thread so might as well add it here:-​

Tom Carroll was involved in all three goals last night, fed Bale for the first, lovely pass to Defoe for the second and calm which had already made in his head before he even got the ball, controlled long pass up the line to Adebayor to start the move for the third, he could have whacked it bit he didn't, he saw he was in space and had time down near the corner flag, looked up saw the pass and made it.
What does that mean? Well it means that he is one of those rare players who makes himself space and see and plays the pass. I'm sure I wrote after seeing for the first time last year that he always makes himself available and is aware of where everyone is and what his options are even before he has received the ball; in short he has a footballing brain and that is sadly a rare thing and I saw that again last night.
My fear for him was whether he has the build for top flight football but I fear less after last night.
Is he as good as Joe Allen Yes but that's not much of a measure is it?,​

I s he as good as Modric? No, is he as good as Modric was at 19 & 20 I don't know as I didn't see Modric then, will he be as good as Modric at 26, I don't know but it is perfectly possible and if he progresses as he has done then perfectly probable but what I do know is that if he'd been Spanish and we'd bought him this summer he'd be getting better reviews than some on here.
He is potentially as good as or better than Modric of that I am convinced, lets hope he fulfills that potential.​

 

[Krafty]

Posted something to this effect in the other Tom Carroll thread so might as well add it here:-​

Tom Carroll was involved in all three goals last night, fed Bale for the first, lovely pass to Defoe for the second and calm which had already made in his head before he even got the ball, controlled long pass up the line to Adebayor to start the move for the third, he could have whacked it bit he didn't, he saw he was in space and had time down near the corner flag, looked up saw the pass and made it.​

What does that mean? Well it means that he is one of those rare players who makes himself space and see and plays the pass. I'm sure I wrote after seeing for the first time last year that he always makes himself available and is aware of where everyone is and what his options are even before he has received the ball; in short he has a footballing brain and that is sadly a rare thing and I saw that again last night.​

My fear for him was whether he has the build for top flight football but I fear less after last night.​

Is he as good as Joe Allen Yes but that's not much of a measure is it?,​

I s he as good as Modric? No, is he as good as Modric was at 19 & 20 I don't know as I didn't see Modric then, will he be as good as Modric at 26, I don't know but it is perfectly possible and if he progresses as he has done then perfectly probable but what I do know is that if he'd been Spanish and we'd bought him this summer he'd be getting better reviews than some on here.​

He is potentially as good as or better than Modric of that I am convinced, lets hope he fulfills that potential.​

Exactly. He's done more in one game than Falque has done in his half dozen appearances this season, in a more demanding position, yet the Spaniard would be far higher up in some fans books than Tom.

 

[nav007_2000]

He's undoubtedly premiership quality. He's not Modric, but certainly Modric-esque. Given game time and a proper mentor (just imagine sending him to Madrid for a couple of months, having him train with Modric, Alonso, Özil and the rest of the Madrid midfield) I think he'll be a good player. He needs a bit more confidence on the ball, but that's something you get from playing.

Hopefully Mousa can teach him a thing or two. I've got hopes for Carroll and hope to see him given some game time, he's a few years away from running the showing and making things tick at premiership level, but I'm confident he'll get there.

i like it. we can use our Real Madrid partnership.

 

[brasil_spur]

Obviously it's not a pre-requisite to have to beef up to play in central midfield, but a bit of strength would certainly help him.

But what I really meant is that he's still developing generally, and that may dictate what sort of player he can become.

Agreed.

 

[Darrkespur]

Think he was fantastic last night, really pulling the strings when given the ball, although Walker, Hudd, Dawson and Lennon seemed a bit reluctant to pass to him at times. Some fantastic through balls and cross-field passes, and always intelligent about keeping possession. He already looks like he'd be an asset in our squad, I think this kind of player is better off in a top side rather than going out on loan - he'd be useless in most championship sides. We should probably have loaned him to Swansea this season and he would come back ready for the first team like Caulker before him, but I can't think of many other sides that would nurture him the way he needs.

Think he could go all the way if he learns to use his physique in the right way, the way Modric, Allen, Cleverley, Wilshire and Little Leon Britton do. You don't have to be big if you can be agile and smart.

On a side note it's really encouraging to see so many more of these types of midfielders coming through in the UK, shows that our youth system has learned some lessons from Germany and Spain. I can see good things for England in the future with Wilshire, Cleverley, Carroll, etc - a lot more intelligent than sticking Gerrard and Lampard together to see who can produce the most wondergoals!

 

[fazza]

I just think its great to see our own club developing good quality young players for once instead of buying other clubs prospects, I hope this is a sign of the clubs future, as for Carroll, I was very impressed with him last night and yes there was s touch of the Modric's to his play.

 

[EnfieldYiddo]

I hold out high hopes for him but let's not over-hype him and let him become the victim of his own bandwagon!

Let's reserve the cries for him to be hailed the next Modric until he has a few PL games under his belt...

This isn't to say I wasn't impressed with him albeit against an inferior opposition.

 

[chinaman]

The suggestion to hit the gym may result in a stunted Tarzan or a pocket Hercules, slowing down his movement. It's better totry to improve his speed of the mark, and speed in turning and twisting that would fool the bigger, clumsier opposition; and in the box may even earn him a few penalties.

 

[Chapel Hill Hotspur]

As good as - nay! better than - Modric.

 

[danielneeds]

Is he as good as Joe Allen Yes but that's not much of a measure is it?,​

FFS, he's had one good game against a team that would struggle in the Championship, and he's unequivically better than Allen in the eyes of some! Allen, whatever you think of him, has controlled Prem midfields in a number of games for a whole season for Swansea. There is still a long way to go before we know whether Carroll can do this...

 

[What Lies Beneath]

A good prospect , remember bale when he joined right skinny runt 2 years later he is a beef cake tom carrol needs to hit the gym hard he needs to get bigger upper strength. Completley different player to modric picks it up from deep run's dribbles and lays it off carroll's more like xavi in where he tends to sit just behind the final third and pick pockets with his passing, if he can get his game stronger in other area's could be a potential star .

 

[Snarfalicious]

Small sample size. No doubt about the talent but we need to see more of him against better competition to provide a reasonable Outlook on his future.

 

[mpickard2087]

A good prospect , remember bale when he joined right skinny runt 2 years later he is a beef cake tom carrol needs to hit the gym hard he needs to get bigger upper strength. Completley different player to modric picks it up from deep run's dribbles and lays it off carroll's more like xavi in where he tends to sit just behind the final third and pick pockets with his passing, if he can get his game stronger in other area's could be a potential star .

As had been said numerous times now, he has tried that already. Felt it was detrimental to him (such as speedwise) and so he stopped.

 

[edson]

I would give Livermore squad place to Carroll because Livermore has been shocking this season, F**k all that they are different types of player crap, one is good and the other is living on last seasons form.I like Carroll but the one thing he has not shown yet is does he have the ability to take on a man or two if needed like Modric could do.time will tell,early days and all that S**t still think Pritchard is going to be the best young player we have.

 

[King of Otters]

I see no good reason why he can't reach the level of someone like Joe Allen. That's no bad thing, Allen is a 'good talent', he's no Modric of course, but he (Allen) would easily walk into our midfield atm.

 

[What Lies Beneath]

As had been said numerous times now, he has tried that already. Felt it was detrimental to him (such as speedwise) and so he stopped.

getting stronger up top would not be that detrimental to his game at all he just needs to get stronger, Defoe did better for it bale did too he needs to craft his talent better by transforming ... remember Ronaldo what a skinny fucker he was now hes one off the best there is .

 

[steve]

He needs to beef up massively like all the great midfield beef cakes do - once he's a Mr Universe like Iniesta, Xavi, Modric and Fabregas he'll improve his first touch, vision, intelligence and confidence no end.