How it is and how it needs to be!

[mrlilywhite]

The best clubs have a sole focus of building a successful football team…the rest follows. We are first and foremost a business and therefore will never be a successful team…simple really

Actually you are far from the truth, ENIC are an investment company, In order to make their investment a success, They need success on the pitch, To get that success you have to follow a method that will give the biggest returns on your investment, There is no doubt that once ENIC can see it is not working, They will cash out. I also believe that once they get the stadium built they will probably look to sell on after at some point. I believe that ENIC have their own interest's and I am fine with that, As the path they need to get to to make the biggest return is exactly what we as fan's want as well. Right now mistakes are being made that are not in line with how ENIC want it or need it to be. The one caveat though is I am not sure they know how to correct it?

 

[SpursManChris]

it does however appear that he is possibly not a football man

Well you try and name for me two Premier League chairman who are.

you could arguably put the best eleven players in the world (each one the best in their position) in a team and lose consistently as the best players together won't necessarily make a good team if they are not all capable of playing to the same system, that being one required of them.

Since when are chairmen responsible for play systems?

 

[SpursManChris]

Why be thankful that levy is English?

Because it means he's not an Indian chicken man.

 

[mrlilywhite]

Well you try and name for me two Premier League chairman who are.


Since when are chairmen responsible for play systems?

They are not, They are responsible for the people they put in the position in the first place. It has to stop somewhere.

 

[SpursManChris]

Posts like this make me laugh. You saying if a mega rich Arab wanted to buy our Club you'd turn it down?

Not everyone wants to take that somewhat dishonourable, easy way out. Clearly you do.

 

[marion52]

Good post and what it boils down to is stability. Get a manager and a playing style and stick with it. Maybe we will go backwards to start but hopefully if we hold our nerve something will develop.

 

[SpursManChris]

They are not, They are responsible for the people they put in the position in the first place. It has to stop somewhere.

You know it really can't be the easiest job finding the 'right man for the job.' Chairmen have to go (mostly) by a managers success at their current/most recent club. I don't think we can argue with the Jol appointment. I think we could have one or two words to say about the disaster which was Ramos, however, Levy really did have every reason to believe that he'd be a success. (Ramos with Sevilla) I would question though appointing a manager who can't speak English and then appointing a translator (who also does a bit of assistant managing) in poyet. Harry Redknapp was obviously a masterstroke appointment, he was really the only man for the job at the time I'm sure we can all agree. The AVB appointment I think was reasonable. Again, Levy had every reason to believe he'd be a success. It's not as if there is lots of available Premier League quality managers out there banging on Levy's door.

 

[shelfboy68]

Thanks, Shelfboy68! The point about winning titles is something I whole heartedly mean, Though not in the context that it appears maybe!? You see I don't concern myself with winning something that is not attainable and right now it isn't, As fan's we need to see us getting stability into the club and treading a carefully constructed path that will ultimately give us the best opportunity to challenge, It could take 5yrs,10yrs or 20yrs, Who knows? Right now we are on the cusp of it either going one way or another, If we maintain our current problems we go backwards, But if we start changing and fixing the problems for good, then only we are the masters of our destiny.

I understand your sentiment about challenging for the major trophies, But as I have already alluded to we need to adjust our expectations accordingly, We are not in a position to challenge anymore until we decide what it is we really are.

That's the million dollar question isn't it what are we as mad as it seems I don't think we are that far off from being one of the best but we do need some work.
For example Liverpool remind me of us two seasons ago under Harry playing the best football and going quite close but we had no balls as usual plus then losing your best players to Madrid hurt us.
I would like to see Levy stop meddling and let someone run it properly and stop Fucking about in the transfer window silly brinkmanship and trolley dashes like this season have to end.

 

[Hoddle&Waddle]

Not everyone wants to take that somewhat dishonourable, easy way out. Clearly you do.

Dishonourable? It's the way of the World mate. Running a Club "the right way" only gets you so far, then a Billionaire comes along, buys one of our rivals and it's back to square one again.

 

[SpursManChris]

Dishonourable? It's the way of the World mate. Running a Club "the right way" only gets you so far, then a Billionaire comes along, buys one of our rivals and it's back to square one again.

in the current environment, it is still very much do-able. It's only City and Chelsea to worry about, you realise that right?

 

[mrlilywhite]

Dishonourable? It's the way of the World mate. Running a Club "the right way" only gets you so far, then a Billionaire comes along, buys one of our rivals and it's back to square one again.

unfortunately, You are Right mate, If you want success, You have to buy it! No amount of stadiums, Sponsor deals will allow you to compete. We as a club have two options, follow the honest one or divulge in the money game. Even then by the time that happens, We are not guaranteed success, We need to re-build what we are first and see how far ENIC can take us. Right now we are sustainable and have the foundation laid for the rest of the blocks to be put together, Whether or not ENIC are the real deal or the jokers of the pack remain to be seen.

 

[Spirit58]

You know it really can't be the easiest job finding the 'right man for the job.' Chairmen have to go (mostly) by a managers success at their current/most recent club. I don't think we can argue with the Jol appointment. I think we could have one or two words to say about the disaster which was Ramos, however, Levy really did have every reason to believe that he'd be a success. (Ramos with Seville) I would question though appointing a manager who can't speak English and then appointing a translator (who also does a bit of assistant managing) in poyet. Harry Redknapp was obviously a masterstroke appointment, he was really the only man for the job at the time I'm sure we can all agree. The AVB appointment I think was reasonable. Again, Levy had every reason to believe he'd be a success. It's not as if there is lots of available Premier League quality managers out there banging on Levy's door.

Agree with you here, it does sort of bring in to question his 'judgement of character' (if that's the right phrase) abilities though.

 

[Drexl]

Posts like this make me laugh. You saying if a mega rich Arab wanted to buy our Club you'd turn it down?

On paper Vincent Tan looked amazing, one of the richest men in the world, if he had been linked with Spurs before buying Cardiff we would have probably collectively had our boxers round our ankles having a good tug at how Tan will lead us back to the glory days

Look how that turned out for Cardiff

There have been 2 successful foreign chairmen, the sheikh and the russian mafia boss, the others have all left their clubs in worse shape big time or have fucked the club up the ass like Tan has

Levy makes mistakes, tons of them, but rather him, a true Spurs fan, than a venture capitalist like the Glazers who leave a club billions in debt, a raving loony like Tan or a crook like Yeung or Romanov

 

[Hoddle&Waddle]

in the current environment, it is still very much do-able. It's only City and Chelsea to worry about, you realise that right?

Until someone else comes along, and I'd prefer it to be us. Sorry but, I don't see what's dishonourable about an Owner that is prepared to put money into a Club, compared to an Owner that doesn't.

 

[hodsgod]

How it needs to be? Liverpool are showing us how it needs to be.

Just look at Liverpool, several seasons behind us and look how quickly it can turn around. Since Henry came in they are building. They moved on the shit that previous managers bought, and Rodgers has built on his team. We have never built from foundations, we are always selling of our foundations, if you get my drift.

It's reported Liverpool will get £60m to spend if they reach the CL this season. Since when did we spend such money? Let's talk about net spending!

I read a few days ago we have spent less than anyone in the past five years. It is beginning to show. What good is a 60k stadium with a second rate team?

 

[mrlilywhite]

Until someone else comes along, and I'd prefer it to be us. Sorry but, I don't see what's dishonourable about an Owner that is prepared to put money into a Club, compared to an Owner that doesn't.

Those are fair points, I don't wish to see us go that route though, I would like us to get our current house in order and do it right for once, I understand we will struggle to compete, Though that said we have competed to a certain extent, If the club really got it's act together, We could seriously challenge....Optimistic I know

 

[Hoddle&Waddle]

On paper Vincent Tan looked amazing, one of the richest men in the world, if he had been linked with Spurs before buying Cardiff we would have probably collectively had our boxers round our ankles having a good tug at how Tan will lead us back to the glory days

Look how that turned out for Cardiff

There have been 2 successful foreign chairmen, the sheikh and the russian mafia boss, the others have all left their clubs in worse shape big time or have fucked the club up the ass like Tan has

Levy makes mistakes, tons of them, but rather him, a true Spurs fan, than a venture capitalist like the Glazers who leave a club billions in debt, a raving loony like Tan or a crook like Yeung or Romanov

All fair points. We will be sold at some point in the future though, and I'm just not against that person being a stinkin rich Oil Baron.

 

[shelfboy68]

How it needs to be? Liverpool are showing us how it needs to be.

Just look at Liverpool, several seasons behind us and look how quickly it can turn around. Since Henry came in they are building. They moved on the shit that previous managers bought, and Rodgers has built on his team. We have never built from foundations, we are always selling of our foundations, if you get my drift.

It's reported Liverpool will get £60m to spend if they reach the CL this season. Since when did we spend such money? Let's talk about net spending!

I read a few days ago we have spent less than anyone in the past five years. It is beginning to show. What good is a 60k stadium with a second rate team?

It's like owning a Ferrari but trying to run it on skoda parts

 

[mrlilywhite]

All fair points. We will be sold at some point in the future though, and I'm just not against that person being a stinkin rich Oil Baron.

Chances are it will be that stinking rich Oligarch and In a way if it proves that is the only way then you have to accept it as that. I hope it does not go that way, But it is way out of our control.

 

[StartingPrice]

Good post and what it boils down to is stability. Get a manager and a playing style and stick with it. Maybe we will go backwards to start but hopefully if we hold our nerve something will develop.

I would go further.
What would give us stability would be if all key components were to be singing from the same hymn-sheet.
The problem is getting that. I thought we had it with AVB. He requested Baldini, so surely those two would work well together, right? He must have had a very good idea of how the club was being run, and that included InterTim's role and the emphasis being placed upon having a club style and the youth set-up, right? And yet there was little honeymoon period before, apparently, AVB and Baldini discovered their eyes didn't quite see to one another! AVB decided that he wanted players he apparently knew at the outset would be mostly unattainable, being at fees and wages we couldn't afford and at a level were it would be hard to convince them to join little old us. Apparently, AVB banned Sherwood from first team training and ring-fenced the first team squad! Sherwood slated Baldini almost immediately, according to ITK!

That is where the shambles starts. Either Levy has to recognise that this set-up doesn't work in England (and I have always been supportive of his attempts to establish it here), or he simply he has to ensure that they all know what their own and everyone else's roles are and preferably they can work together, too, without behaving like a bunch of misfits from a kids comic strip about kids who get on like a bunch of spanners.

Because, and I still maintain this, our squad may be lacking leaders and some of them may give up all too easily, but we have a technically very good squad. What we need is someone to actually forge them into a team, a proper unit that fights for one another and, as Sherwood said yesterday (and, I suspect, was talking from experience) fight one another if needs be, tell one another to buck their fahooking ideas up, rather than moping about while the season appears to fall apart around them, and then be friends and have some fun in training again the next day.