Injury Updates

[Everlasting Seconds]

Think @Mr Pink is being unfairly treated here. I think the point he is making is that the more games you play increases the risk that you will pick up an injury, albeit a muscle injury or blow to the face.

Kind of like if you walk across a motorway 20 times then you are more likely to be hit by a car than if you were to cross it just once.

It's sounds counter intuitive, but the risk for getting injured is exactly the same every single time. This kind of risk doesn't accrue over time. If you go the first time injury free, you will not be at a greater risk the 2nd time, then the 3rd time, then even greater the 4th time. If you don't play a player out of fear of him getting injured, you haven't saved him from injury overall, you've only saved him from injury in that specific match. But in the next match, the risk of him getting injured is exactly the same. What do you do – never play your best players?

Bugger.

Look at it this way, since it's "only" to his nose, maybe his legs are getting some much needed rest, keeping him fitter for longer.

 

[SugarRay]

Hoping the Dembele thing is just Poch being cautious and perhaps, a hint of a mind game being played?

Lost count the amount of times opponents have declared their best player injured a week before we play them only for said player to start!

 

[Mr Pink]

It's sounds counter intuitive, but the risk for getting injured is exactly the same every single time. This kind of risk doesn't accrue over time. If you go the first time injury free, you will not be at a greater risk the 2nd time, then the 3rd time, then even greater the 4th time. If you don't play a player out of fear of him getting injured, you haven't saved him from injury overall, you've only saved him from injury in that specific match. But in the next match, the risk of him getting injured is exactly the same. What do you do – never play your best players?


Look at it this way, since it's "only" to his nose, maybe his legs are getting some much needed rest, keeping him fitter for longer.

What you do is prioritize. So in this example, if it were up to me, I would not of risked playing Dembele, especially twice in the space of a couple of days because of his injury record etc, and would of saved him for the bigger League games coming up.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

I'm not keen on the calls for Alli to drop into midfield 2. He doesn't have the positional discipline or ability to dictate tempo to play there currently(not saying he won't develop those facets in the future before everyone starts getting defensive about the golden boy). Poch went through a period of playing him there but then quickly switching him for Dembele - who had nominally started in the AM3 at the time. It seemed to stem mainly due to the reasons I had given which left us wide open in midfield.

I would much rather we paired Mason with Dier for the league game. He has the ability to put his foot on the ball, constantly makes himself available for passes and has more positional discipline than Alli.

 

[Hazardousman]

"Not available". Kid had an operation today.

Yeah, I can't see Kane getting a sniff if I am honest.

 

[topper]

Yeah, I can't see Kane getting a sniff if I am honest.

Problem is if he doesn't play he's nose will be out of joint

 

[UpTownSpur]

I expect Dembele to be back for the NLD - it took him 16 days to come back from the last groin problem, and it'll be 13 days until the NLD since the injury, but the last one he had to go off during the 1st half but this one seemed less severe as he came off at half time. And Poch said the first one would be a "few weeks" and this is one is "10 days to two weeks".

I don't think it would have been a good idea for him to play in two intensive London derbies in close succession so it may be a blessing in disguise.

 

[EnfieldYiddo]

Seems a silly decision to let Pritchard go on loan in hindsight...

 

[Shadydan]

Seems a silly decision to let Pritchard go on loan in hindsight...

Not really no, especially with Lamela coming back.

 

[Ionman34]

It's sounds counter intuitive, but the risk for getting injured is exactly the same every single time. This kind of risk doesn't accrue over time. If you go the first time injury free, you will not be at a greater risk the 2nd time, then the 3rd time, then even greater the 4th time. If you don't play a player out of fear of him getting injured, you haven't saved him from injury overall, you've only saved him from injury in that specific match. But in the next match, the risk of him getting injured is exactly the same. What do you do – never play your best players?


Look at it this way, since it's "only" to his nose, maybe his legs are getting some much needed rest, keeping him fitter for longer.

It's not really counter intuitive, it's just that there is a confusion between risk and hazard.

The hazard remains the same in every game, but increased exposure to the hazard increases the risk of the hazard becoming an occurrence.

What I think Pinky is advocating is risk management. By reducing the number of games played, I.e. saving Kane for games of "higher importance," you reduce the risk of him being absent for the more important ones.

Poch already employs risk management by increasing player fitness levels, proper training involving warming up and down correctly etc, thereby reducing the risk of muscular pulls and strains, which is why we've had a far more settled and regularly playing side.

The risk associated with impact injuries can't be managed by a training regime though, so rotation is about the best you can do to combat that particular hazard.

 

[Hazardousman]

Problem is if he doesn't play he's nose will be out of joint

S'not gonna happen IMO. I suppose it's better not to pick roll or flick him until we know it's safe.

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[dricha1]

Kane scored an og in the first Swansea game? Must be his bogey team.

 

[Mark_147]

I'm not keen on the calls for Alli to drop into midfield 2. He doesn't have the positional discipline or ability to dictate tempo to play there currently(not saying he won't develop those facets in the future before everyone starts getting defensive about the golden boy). Poch went through a period of playing him there but then quickly switching him for Dembele - who had nominally started in the AM3 at the time. It seemed to stem mainly due to the reasons I had given which left us wide open in midfield.

I would much rather we paired Mason with Dier for the league game. He has the ability to put his foot on the ball, constantly makes himself available for passes and has more positional discipline than Alli.

Pretty sure he played there at home to Man city and we won the game 4-1. 2-0 without the offside goals before anyone brings that up.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

Pretty sure he played there at home to Man city and we won the game 4-1. 2-0 without the offside goals before anyone brings that up.

One game is not a great basis for an argument. As I said, in 3-4 other games Poch ended up moving him forward because we had no control of the game.

 

[hodsgod]

It's sounds counter intuitive, but the risk for getting injured is exactly the same every single time. This kind of risk doesn't accrue over time. If you go the first time injury free, you will not be at a greater risk the 2nd time, then the 3rd time, then even greater the 4th time. If you don't play a player out of fear of him getting injured, you haven't saved him from injury overall, you've only saved him from injury in that specific match. But in the next match, the risk of him getting injured is exactly the same. What do you do – never play your best players?


Look at it this way, since it's "only" to his nose, maybe his legs are getting some much needed rest, keeping him fitter for longer.

It's not counter intuitive, it's just completely missing the point.

Toss a coin , it's a fifty fifty result, it's the same every time. Try tossing fifty all the same. It's still fifty fifty for every toss, but not for getting fifty the same.

If a player on average gets one injury perseason, it's about a 2% chance every game. However it's also highly likely he will get injured at some time during the season. It isn't a low chance, it's a high chance. Why risk it on the smaller games?

We now have Kane and Dembele injured since the last league game! There will be tears if we lose the next league game!

 

[cabinfever]

We're doomed!!!

 

[Lighty64]

Mason looks rusty, I have major doubts either him or Bentaleb could do the job against West Ham to be honest, maybe with a bit more game time under their belts but they are both coming back from injury, I think that is a big ask after such a long lay off.

West Ham are no walk overs, especially away. We need Dembele fit and firing for both them games as they are massive in terms of our chance at the title, huge games.

as Dembele very rarely plays consecutive games anyway, not sure he would of featured in both. with any hope we will have him back for Arse, but would of preferred it v Wet Spam

 

[Woodyy]

So how is it looking at the moment?

Kane & Lloris - back for Swans?
Dembele - Back for Arsenal hopefully?
Vertonghen - Still a month or more away?

Are they the only first team injuries at the moment?

 

[bubble07]

So how is it looking at the moment?

Kane & Lloris - back for Swans?
Dembele - Back for Arsenal hopefully?
Vertonghen - Still a month or more away?

Are they the only first team injuries at the moment?

Yea and squad players N'jie and Carroll

 

[Phil-spur99]

Does anyone know when N'jie is expected to return or are we really looking at next season to see anything of him?

I suppose it would be like a new signing, can only remember him as a sub versus Man City and looked quick; think he put in a good ball that led to Lamela's goal.