Interesting article: Hating Harry?

[Michey]

A...in my eyes....very good article and explains exactly how i feel about our current manager and why i don't like the word "hate" thrown around as soon as something is beeing questioned.


From Vitalfootball;

Some of the fans on this site think that Harry is beyond criticism and that therefore any fan who shares any misgivings about any of Harry`s actions must some how hate Harry.

Whilst this deluded nonsense is amusing, it cannot be further from the truth. I seem to recall the same charge was levelled at anyone who questioned Juande Ramos. As Harry would tell you to - 2 pts from 10 games and last nights 4-0 thrashing at Liverpool as evidence of how good Ramos actually is.

We are now in danger of putting Harry on the same pedestial, fans placed Ramos on when he arrived, deriding the efforts of Jol, and proclaiming Ramos the genius who would easily get us that elusive Champions League place. Look what happened.

No-one is questioning that Harry has been exceptional in the role he has been brought in for - to save us from relegation. Whilst there have been some lucky results, there is an expression which says you make your own luck so Harry is probably due it. We have however had some poor results as well, and these should not be ignored. We all know we had 2 pts after 10 games but would rather not be reminded about it. Why doesn`t Harry actually say something positive like he has gotten 29 pts from 17 games which are so much more positive than continually harping back to our poor start? As whilst Harry might not have had a balanced squad, if we put it into perspective, Everton have spent large parts of the season without any recognised strikers but rarely do we hear David Moyes bleating about it at every news conference.

Much has been made about Harry`s dealings with the press. Whilst many fans find him a breath of fresh air and like the fact he says what the fans are thinking, he is not paid a similar amount to top players a week to act as the spokesman for the supporters club. Wenger must have been tearing his hair out at the behaviour of Eboue, Benetiz disappointed with the failure of Keane etc yet these managers do not publicly ridicule their players. The only manager who ever did so was Cloughie and considering his trophy cabinet of European, Championship and League Cup wins compared to a solitary FA Cup win, Cloughie was probably entitled to do so based on his astonishing achievements.

Whilst Harry might not fancy Bent such comments only serve to impact negatively on the value of Bent when it comes to selling him. I`d rather we get £10m for Bent rather than £6m for example. Daniel Levy doesn`t have a money printing press in his office, so every million we cannot recoup is a million less to spend on players. Harry lost his job at West Ham because he responded to fanzine questions like "I spoke to them in the way I`d talk to someone in a pub." It cost him his job. Does he not learn about tempering what he should say to the press and public?

And it is not hating Harry to start talking about the future. It is Harry who raised the issue of managing England. If Harry is as wise as fans think, he wouldn`t open himself to ridicule by suggesting that if he`d not received a wink and a nod that ongoing investigations would not be held against him. Capello has a graveyard of skeletons in his closet to make Harry`s pale into insignificance and is only currently contracted until the 2010 World Cup. Fans should also be reminded of Harry`s managerial career: He resigned from Bournemouth due to the chairman not giving the funds he wanted. He was offered a four year contract renewal at West Ham but it was withdrawn after he spoke injudiciously to a fanzine. He resigned from Portsmouth after a dispute with Mandaric. He resigned from Southampton. He resigned from Portsmouth (again) to join us. These are all facts. He is a serial resigner often leaving his former club in a difficult situation. Harry has every right to further his own ambitions but any chairman ought to be aware of this behaviour and plan for the future as they cannot be certain how immediate that will be. Harry likes to be the knight in shining armour, riding to the rescue ... what happens when he's achieved this?

I am a fan who disagreed about the notion of dumping the UEFA Cup. There was no need to wrap so many squad players up in cotton wool. Considering how United were playing we had as much chance in qualifying for Europe again via the UEFA Cup especially considering the teams left. An extra round creates extra gate receipts and TV revenue which can go into a transfer fund for the summer. Our shirt sponsor and kit supplier deals are coming up for renewal and whilst fans might deride the UEFA Cup, sponsors like as much TV exposure as they can get. And this is not forgetting the fans that travelled deep into a Ukrainian winter to discover the manager had thrown the towel in. Let us not forget ENIC is a business interested in making a profit.

Does this add up to hating Harry? Of course it doesn`t and it is nonsense to suggest otherwise. However some fans are even talking of a Top 6 finish next season with a few small adjustments to the squad - have we forgotten that Man City can pay whatever they like to improve their squad, Villa may well have Champions League football as an attraction, whilst Everton can produce a Top 6 team without any strikers?

Supporters of Harry need to temper their enthusiasm and actually read the questions some fans not part of his cheerleading entourage are asking because they are valid questions.

http://www.spurs.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=7500461

 

[There's always next year]

Generally, I like Redknapp for his openess and honesty. However, I do get a little frustrated with some of his comments and views he is happy to air to the wide general public. THFC is a classy Iconic instution, that has a lot of glamour and credibility associated with it. It requires employees, particularly managers to embrace this style and behave in the manner to which the club is held.
We do not need Redknapp's cheap, amateurish and classless comments. I not sure that Redknapp is comfortable managing a business of the size and importance of THFC. .

 

[steve]

Constructive criticism is to be encouraged but please keep agendas and and an unopen mind out of it. If people want to defend/attack Redknapp (or anyone else) then it would be best if they entertained the idea that their opinion MAY be incorrect at least in part.....

 

[lishiyo]

i don't care what Harry babbles on about to the press - as long as he doesn't do anything illegal, all i care about are the results and then the performances (and the spending - Levy had better keep an eye on him for that, we don't want to end up like Portsmouth with a giant wage bill and an aging squad!)

 

[worcestersauce]

I agree that disagreement and questioning do not equate to hate and so it is reasonable to accept an alternative point of view however, this piece makes statements as fact painting a picture of a mans charater that is not quite correct.

A simple comparrison of Redknapp being less circumspect than Benitez is laughable since the rediculous press conference with his little list of anti Man Utd "facts".
Moreover his departure from West Ham was not a simple case of speaking to a fanzine, the idiots in charge were selling his top players whilst giving him assurances that the money would be available for new purchases and then went back on their word, in those circumstances who would stay?

And what for heavens sake is a serial resigner?
And what is wrong with the fact that "some fans are even talking of a Top 6 finish next season with a few small adjustments to the squad" why can't some fans think that, why be so intolerent of their enthusiasm that it's acceptable to mock them? Why argue tolerence for one point of view yet not for another.

By the way I hate vital football, have done for years.

 

[Lucky22]

Of course, everyone is entitled to their opinions, and I'd like to think I'm in the middle of this whole debate - not a Harry Hater but not one who hangs on his every word.

For me, the way Harry talks to the press, the fans and publicly is refreshing. I want an honest manager who explains his decisions and vents his frustrations. Yes, a lot of it is hyperbole, but in the heat of a relegation battle I actually think he is doing a lot of it intentionally, so he keeps the pressure and focus off the players.

A lot has been made of the Bent comments and I totally disagree with your standpoint on this one. Harry was being honest and any other type of response would have been laughable. What do you want him to say? 'the boy was unlucky'!

The comments about Bent will not matter one bit when it comes to selling him. We will make a loss and the fact that the player has struggled with injuries, attitude and form means he will not be as an attractive buy as when we bought him. Do you really believe that a manager interested in buying Bent won't have taken note of that glaring miss? I don't think anyone wanting to buy him will have needed Harry to point out that it was a piss poor effort.

As for the views on our manager's past history of resignation it all depends on how you use it to back up your point. For me, it shows he is a man who stands by what he believes and someone who has principles. Had Jol stood up to Levy he may still be here.

And's let's be honest, Harry has resigned a lot less than we have sacked managers in recent years, so there's as much chance of him being given the boot as there is of us sacking him.

The UEFA Cup points are very interesting and the only part I can agree with is that the extra revenue and expsoure would have been handy. But to say that we had as much chance of winning the UEFA Cup as we had the Carling Cup is simply idiotic! All we had to do was win one more game! How many more rounds of this long and drawn out UEFA Cup would we have had to go through before we won it! If we had have gone through, CSKA Moscow where waiting for us - no easy task.

As for the fans who made the trip, I do feel sorry for them. But it was made very, very clear that we would be putting out a lesser squad. However, I must add that, with injuries and ineligibility, he couldn't have put out a stronger team anyway.

I find nothing wrong with being etnthusiastic about the future and about the role Harry will play in that. I also feel there is always a need for constructive criticism as well. But I can't agree with the views expressed above as genuine reasons to dismiss our current manager as an also-ran who is only in it for the money.

 

[Hoowl]

Supporting the manager doesn't necessarily mean agreeing with every single decision he has made. I think there are very few members who blindly do this and truely believe Harry is beyond critism. I certainly don't think Harry has been put on a pedistal. I therefore think you're generally missing the problem that majority seem to have with the 'Harry Haters'. These 'Harry Haters' are those who haven't even given Redknapp a chance. People who wanted him out as soon as he came in. People who are stubbonly unwilling to change their opinion of him.

No-one is questioning that Harry has been exceptional in the role he has been brought in for - to save us from relegation. Whilst there have been some lucky results, there is an expression which says you make your own luck so Harry is probably due it. We have however had some poor results as well, and these should not be ignored.

Firstly, it is easy to infer that the article assumes Redknapp is only a short-term stop-gap who is here to merly save us from relegation. The first sentence almost reads like "He's doing well at saving us from relegation but.... we'll need someone better once we ensure our premiership survial". This sets the tone. After begrudging Redknapp a few lucky results, the article talks stresses that the poor results shouldn't be ignored. This is certainly true but it is also true that the good results shouldn't be ignored. The article adds a negative spin and assumes that we are somehow ignorant of our defeats? That seems like a rather demeaning attitude.

We all know we had 2 pts after 10 games but would rather not be reminded about it. Why doesn`t Harry actually say something positive like he has gotten 29 pts from 17 games which are so much more positive than continually harping back to our poor start? As whilst Harry might not have had a balanced squad, if we put it into perspective, Everton have spent large parts of the season without any recognised strikers but rarely do we hear David Moyes bleating about it at every news conference.

Much has been made about Harry`s dealings with the press. Whilst many fans find him a breath of fresh air and like the fact he says what the fans are thinking, he is not paid a similar amount to top players a week to act as the spokesman for the supporters club. Wenger must have been tearing his hair out at the behaviour of Eboue, Benetiz disappointed with the failure of Keane etc yet these managers do not publicly ridicule their players. The only manager who ever did so was Cloughie and considering his trophy cabinet of European, Championship and League Cup wins compared to a solitary FA Cup win, Cloughie was probably entitled to do so based on his astonishing achievements.

Whilst Harry might not fancy Bent such comments only serve to impact negatively on the value of Bent when it comes to selling him. I`d rather we get £10m for Bent rather than £6m for example. Daniel Levy doesn`t have a money printing press in his office, so every million we cannot recoup is a million less to spend on players. Harry lost his job at West Ham because he responded to fanzine questions like "I spoke to them in the way I`d talk to someone in a pub." It cost him his job. Does he not learn about tempering what he should say to the press and public?

This section is the authors opinion of Harrys interaction with the press. Again the author seems to think that this is all new to everyone and something that we've all missed, or chosen to ignore. However, this is something that has often been debated constructively in Spurs Chat over the last few months.

[FONT=&quot]And it is not hating Harry to start talking about the future. It is Harry who raised the issue of managing England. If Harry is as wise as fans think, he wouldn`t open himself to ridicule by suggesting that if he`d not received a wink and a nod that ongoing investigations would not be held against him. Capello has a graveyard of skeletons in his closet to make Harry`s pale into insignificance and is only currently contracted until the 2010 World Cup. Fans should also be reminded of Harry`s managerial career: He resigned from Bournemouth due to the chairman not giving the funds he wanted. He was offered a four year contract renewal at West Ham but it was withdrawn after he spoke injudiciously to a fanzine. He resigned from Portsmouth after a dispute with Mandaric. He resigned from Southampton. He resigned from Portsmouth (again) to join us. These are all facts. He is a serial resigner often leaving his former club in a difficult situation. Harry has every right to further his own ambitions but any chairman ought to be aware of this behaviour and plan for the future as they cannot be certain how immediate that will be. Harry likes to be the knight in shining armour, riding to the rescue ... what happens when he's achieved this?[/FONT]

It's not hating Harry to start talking about the future but it's certainly a biased article with an obvious agenda if the author fails to balance the constant crisism with any good points. This paragraph harks back to my initial points. 'Harry Haters' are those who disliked him from the moment he arrived and no ammount of evidence from his performance as manager of Tottenham Hotspur will change that. The author is edging towards that category.

[FONT=&quot]I am a fan who disagreed about the notion of dumping the UEFA Cup. There was no need to wrap so many squad players up in cotton wool. Considering how United were playing we had as much chance in qualifying for Europe again via the UEFA Cup especially considering the teams left. An extra round creates extra gate receipts and TV revenue which can go into a transfer fund for the summer. Our shirt sponsor and kit supplier deals are coming up for renewal and whilst fans might deride the UEFA Cup, sponsors like as much TV exposure as they can get. And this is not forgetting the fans that travelled deep into a Ukrainian winter to discover the manager had thrown the towel in. Let us not forget ENIC is a business interested in making a profit.[/FONT]

Fair enough. Others think differently. We'll never know what would have happened if we'd taken the first team to Russia.

Does this add up to hating Harry? Of course it doesn`t and it is nonsense to suggest otherwise. However some fans are even talking of a Top 6 finish next season with a few small adjustments to the squad - have we forgotten that Man City can pay whatever they like to improve their squad, Villa may well have Champions League football as an attraction, whilst Everton can produce a Top 6 team without any strikers?

Supporters of Harry need to temper their enthusiasm and actually read the questions some fans not part of his cheerleading entourage are asking because they are valid questions.

The article is based upon the assumption that the majority are somehow ignorant to Harrys failing and unwilling to construct any critism of him. I think this assumption is a very bad one and believe that most fans have a balanced view point based on the actual evedience we see week in and week out. Taking this into account, this article uses a false assumption to justify a thinly veiled attack on Redknapp.

 

[steve]

Fans should also be reminded of Harry`s managerial career: He resigned from Bournemouth due to the chairman not giving the funds he wanted. He was offered a four year contract renewal at West Ham but it was withdrawn after he spoke injudiciously to a fanzine. He resigned from Portsmouth after a dispute with Mandaric. He resigned from Southampton. He resigned from Portsmouth (again) to join us. These are all facts. He is a serial resigner often leaving his former club in a difficult situation. Harry has every right to further his own ambitions but any chairman ought to be aware of this behaviour and plan for the future as they cannot be certain how immediate that will be. Harry likes to be the knight in shining armour, riding to the rescue ... what happens when he's achieved this?

Ok so Redknapp has had 6 (i think) jobs in the last 30 odd years....how many managers have we had in this time?

This is an article with an agenda already....

 

[THOWIG]

It's ok I'm taking over in June anyway. Hiring Thuram as my assistant. Mmmmmmmm who am I ?

 

[Blockbuster]

Michey is boring me now with all his Anti harry posts.

 

[teddy_sheringham_125]

This is a poorly written article that in places comes up with down right lies. I don't think Harry is unquestionable, and you can certainly criticise him for some things, but 29pts from 17 games tells the whole story in my opinion. Extrapolate that out across a whole season and you have a Spurs side on ~65 points. That has been good enough for 5th place in the last few season, and will certainly been good enough for 5th this year. What more do you need to know? Points win prizes.

 

[markiespurs]

This article really is a load of rubbish, but then i expect little else from vital football, which seems to make the Sun sound respectable.

Im not a Harry hater, and nor have i put him on a pedastall, however IMO, he has done very little wrong for us, and so he has my support.

I wonder if the Redknapp haters would be so critical of him if he was from Spain, Holland or France?

 

[Michey]

Michey is boring me now with all his Anti harry posts.

I guess you probably doesn't read that good since you clearly don't understand what it's about.

Go back to bury your head again, couldn't care less about what you think.

Bye bye then :hello:


Many of you are so funny..........as soon as it a little negative it's all rubbish.

 

[scat1620]

And now, ladies and gentlemen, watch Michey spectacularly disappear and fail to address any of the reasonable, well argued points by posters like Hoowl and others in this thread who have made sensible comments that might express their opinion, but don't boil down to an unshakeable dogmatic belief that emphasises the points in agreement with it and simply ignores any points to the contrary.

 

[Kendall]

I guess you probably doesn't read that good since you clearly don't understand what it's about.

Go back to bury your head again, couldn't care less about what you think.

Bye bye then :hello:


Many of you are so funny..........as soon as it a little negative it's all rubbish.

I see where you're coming from with this but you, as an isolated case are very negative about Harry. Calling him a dinosaur and whatnot and further throwing your support behind Ramos.

Harry hasn't done much wrong imo, not perfect but he's looking like he will succeed in what he was asked to do this season.

If he can get us a top 10 finish - its certainly better than Ramos could do.

 

[Shanks]

At the end of the day the article is against Harry.

It implies based on speculation, rather than fact. It relies heavily on Harry's involvement in the press, but you fail to notice and realise that he is either answering questions asked to him, and shielding the actual important issue, or just having some of his quites over emphasised.

Whilst Harry may not be the be all and end all of a tactical mastermind, he is doing a good job and he has got us performing well, so much so, that a Man Utd team, could only beat us on penalties in a cup final.

We are holding our own mate, and if the league started when harry took over, we would currently be in 7th with a bloody good crack at the top four. Unforutnately, he took over when we were bottom of the league, so he always had a tough task.

But, everyone is entitled to their opinion on the matter, and whilst some will strongly disagree, some may strongly agree, I reckon most spurs fans are somewhere in the middle.

We have been in this position many times, and many are fed up of getting excited to be let down, so we are just waiting to see now!

 

[Michey]

I see where you're coming from with this but you, as an isolated case are very negative about Harry. Calling him a dinosaur and whatnot and further throwing your support behind Ramos.

Harry hasn't done much wrong imo, not perfect but he's looking like he will succeed in what he was asked to do this season.

If he can get us a top 10 finish - its certainly better than Ramos could do.

Why are you mentioning Ramos..........what exactly is wrong with you people.

Seriously....you doesn't seem to understand anything about what's interesting about the article, Instead you go on as before. Fanatics cry out......hate....he's hating at the same time as they put their heads in the sand. Sometimes it's worse than a very sick cult. Frightening and hilarious at the same time.

Mr Scat----> Responsability for what? Answering "well argued points" Well argued in your eyes...or what do you mean? Try and understand that someone else wrote those words....can you do that?


I posted an article that someone else wrote too teach people the difference between hate and arguing someones quality. But everytime you fall back into the same tracks. Sad!

 

[jurgen]

Not sure how the potential performance of other teams in the transfer window compared to us should be linked to tempering our anticipation because we have Harry in charge? If anything he is potentially the best manager we've had in a while to bring in Premiership proven players, solid players, for positions we lack in, i.e. EXACTLY what O'Neill and Moyes do.

While there might be people who call others Harry haters based on their criticism and will not hear anything negative, there are equally people who simply cannot give the man any credit. As said before, since he took over, we've been lucky at times, played crap football at times, and had losing streaks at times, but now in the last few games we've looked to be getting better, certainly better than at the start of the season...

In my opinion, I do wonder whether Harry can take us where we want to be, but - as I imagine most rational people also think, he should be given the chance! We've moved forward from where Ramos left us, and who is to say we won't continue to do so, he is recognising our player's and squad's strengths and bringing in (back) players like Palacios, Cudicini and Keane to complement that. We might not get where we want to be next season, but as long as we play well and seem to be progressing then its positive, of course if he leaves us with 2 points after 8 games, well honestly, that is untenable for any professional manager no? Yes yes I know we had a mid season blip, which wasn't much better, but it IS a different situation as every team has a sticky patch at some point but to start so badly basically writes the league off straight away, as evidenced by us being the 7th best team since he took over despite that nasty period.

I am willing to be suprised by Harry, maybe I ultimately wont be but if we keep moving forward under him, and play some good footy, whats the problem exactly?

 

[ackie]

IMO Harry is good but IMO is not the man who will get us top 4! tHIS OR NEXT SEASON!
Some of his tactical decisions are not up to scratch and YES he should do better with players who have lost form. At times, he uses players as scapegoat and fail to accept responsibilities. There is no way IMO, that we will make top 7 as in the words of some players. We simply haven't been good enough.
As worldwide Spurs fans, we are entitled to voice our opinions and we all should respect each other. However, Harry IS THE SPURS MANAGER AND WE ARE NOT! WE SHOULD STAND TOGETHER FOR HIM AND THE PLAYERS WHO PLAY FOR SPURS!!

 

[Hoowl]

Seriously....you doesn't seem to understand anything about what's interesting about the article

I posted an article that someone else wrote too teach people the difference between hate and arguing someones quality.

Could you please explain what is interesting about the article and how it teaches people the difference between hate and arguing someones quality.