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Is Baggio Right - Has Skill Disappeared From Football?

DEFchenkOE

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I found this article on Goal.com and think it is very interesting. It is quite long but worth the read:

What has happened to the beautiful game? There used to be a time when the first thing a footballer was judged by was his technical ability.

After this, the order of importance would be tactical, mental, and then finally physical qualities. This was the process that was used in most European countries, although not in all. England has always been an exception, something I can vouch for personally as I was released by Luton Town (who had then just been relegated from the top-flight) as a skillful teenager because I was told I was “too small, short, and weak”.

Ever since this time I have always held the view that, not only the English youth system, but English football as a whole, has totally neglected skill and natural talent, in favour of pace, power, strength and other physical attributes. Indeed this helps explain why the country has always been so dreadfully poor on a technical level.

While England has always placed physical attributes as the primary consideration when judging a player, other European countries, such as Spain and Italy, have traditionally favored the aforementioned technical aspect.

Sadly, the way the game is evolving, it seems that there is an inevitable process in place whereby the blood-and-thunder English way is becoming the norm throughout Europe.

“It is all much faster and more difficult now," blasted Baggio.

"In the 1990s it was more than the 80s, now even more than the 90s. It is the evolution of the sport and we have to follow it. However, one cannot criticize a player for trying a backheel during a game. Are we crazy?”

People that play today are - in most cases- athletes first, and footballers second. The desire to become quicker, fitter and stronger is destroying the game. All the skill, as Baggio says, is disappearing.

The classic ‘number 10’, the shirt and the position that every footballer growing up used to desire, is virtually extinct. The Italian national team exemplifies this perfectly. Over the years they have produced numerous world-class number 10s, the likes of Gianni Rivera, Sandro Mazzola, Baggio, and most recently Francesco Totti. At this summer’s European Championships, Coach Roberto Donadoni is set to employ a 4-3-3 formation, meaning that Italy will be playing with no creative support striker.

You look at the major teams around Europe, and many seem to favour a big, strong, man-mountain of a target man. Arsenal have Emmanuel Adebayor, Chelsea have Didier Drogba, Inter field Zlatan Ibrahimovic, and I predict that within five years it will be rare to see a top club or country with a striker who is below six foot.

Height is becoming important. A team with short players is liable to concede goals off set-pieces and crosses – thus once again the lumbering giant is preferred to the shorter, skilful player. Take the Chelsea or Inter Milan teams who are absolutely full to the rafters with 6 foot-plus machines.

Today, squads are also considered to be fragile unless they have two defensive midfielders in the middle-of-the-park. To be a good centre midfielder is to be able to run, run and run some more. A player like Momo Sissoko, wouldn’t have even made it into the semi-professional league in Italy a few decades ago, yet today he is being tipped by some to become one of the best midfield men in the whole of Serie A.

In modern football you can have the flair and natural talent of Diego Maradona, but if you have no pace, nobody wants to know you. Take Juan Roman Riquelme for example. If he was around in the 1980s, he would have had every top team in Italy and Spain queuing up to build their team around him. Riquelme is a genius, he sees passes that athletes like Sissoko would take 30 years to spot, yet he is unwanted because he is considered too slow for the modern game.

Former Spain and Barcelona star Josep Guardiola was a fantastic holding playmaker, but he had the pace of a snail. The player’s career can be split into two parts. During the first half, when football was still pure, he was simply world class and one of the best midfielders in the world. However towards the end of the 1990s, there was a sudden decline in his performances (injuries also played a part). The game had simply become too fast and physical for him, something he admitted himself, and Barcelona eventually let him go in 2001 at the age of just 30.

Of course there are always phenomenon’s who disprove this theory, but these are becoming rarer all the time. The best example of course is Zinedine Zidane, an old-school player like Riquelme, with very little pace or physical quality, yet who was far and away the best player of his generation, and was still sensational at the 2006 World Cup at the age of 34. The fact that Zidane excelled in such an era proves what a legend among legends he is. Andrea Pirlo is another exception, but even he has found himself in situations where he has been physically bullied, such as against Arsenal in the Champions League recently.

Baggio believes that the only place in the world where football is still football is South America, a continent where players are footballers first, and athletes second.

“In South America more than Europe they are much closer to the authentic spirit of football,” said the 1994 World Cup star. “This is why I adore Leo Messi.”

Cristiano Ronaldo and Thierry Henry are two excellent examples of the modern day player. Both, when in form, are world class performers, but ask yourself how good they would be if you remove the pace and physical features from their games. Some would also place Kaka in this category.

Wayne Rooney, over the weekend, compared Manchester United to the old Brazil due to the way the teams play. The difference is that the great Brazil teams have played with irresistible skill, technique and panache, while The Red Devils' game is at a high intensity, quickly zipping the ball about, and counter-attacking at a lightning pace.

I am unconvinced that either Ronaldo or Henry would have been world-class in the slower, and more technical/tactical oriented 1980s. On the same token you could probably find numerous players from that generation who wouldn’t have coped today – Brazilian legend Socrates is perhaps one.

The question is though – who would you consider more of a real footballer – Socrates or Henry?

Call me old-school, but I am sure that most football purists will agree that football was much better when it was slower and less athletic.
 

van_Pommel

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Very interesting. It's a shame I think. This is the reason Huddlestone may never make it, vastly talented but too slow.
 

BoringOldFan

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I blame Arsenal. They took athletes and turned them into footballers. No dazzling technique, but ruthlessly efficient.

But I don't think you can say skill has no place while we can still watch the likes of Ronaldo, Berbatov, Torres, Joe Cole every week.
 

llamafarmer

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I am unconvinced that either Ronaldo or Henry would have been world-class in the slower, and more technical/tactical oriented 1980s.

Bollocks.

I think it's negative, over cautious tactics that are killing the game, but then the Italians have been leading the way in that for years.
 

N10toN17

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Good thread. Yes the skill is definately disappearing and is one of the reasons why we love Berba so much, he's a throwback like Zidane to a time when there were lots more players like that.

Too many six foot plus bean poles, who can run fast and can run all day, but do very little on the ball. Mind you the media try and make out the product is great, funnily enough they wouldn't make money otherwise.

Unfortunately brawn is winning over brain and pace is more important than skill or flare, I predict in the coming decades we'll see fewer and fewer exceptionally gifted, skillful players. A real shame.
 

jimmy-jojo

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It's a very interesting article.

But I suspect it is not only football that has seen brawn triumph over skill. Tennis is a prime example.

I think it's more to do with a general evolution of the human body. The fact is that people on average are taller, stronger and faster than 50yrs ago.

Natural Selection at work?
 

Adam

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I agree with this completely and links in with why id far prefer to watch a game of football between two top spanish sides than English. Look at the Arsenal Liverpool game for example. The passing in general was extremely poor-babel had a pass completion rate of 33% when he went off which is absolutely appaling and it is largely down to the type of football that we play in this country-some people will call it high-tempo and intense, im more inclined to calling it tactically reckless and something that is curtailing the technical ability of our players, something that is being highlighted in international football.

It is a great shame in my opinion that passing is becoming such a non-entity in English football. Someone like Fabregas has undoubtedly taken English football by storm, largely because of his passing ability-many a fan over here will say that he is one of a kind, the best in the world, but you only have to look at a team like Barca who also have Xavi and Iniesta (the best midfielder in the world according to Frank Lampard) in there team, two players who, if they came to England would transform any team into title contenders because of there skill on the ball and the way that they never give the ball away-when people say that Carrick is a great passer i cant help but laugh-the only Englishman i can think of who is in a Spanish mould is Paul Scholes.

However, can anyone really be suprised at the lack of technical ability in our game? As a kid, did anyone here regularly play on a pitch that was condusive to slick passing and creativity? My memories of playing as a young kid will always be chasng onto the ball that the fat centre half has booted over the top of their defence for me to run onto and score! In all, i certainly think Baggio has a point, nowhere more so than when looking at the football played in this country at any level.
 

chinaman

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Whereas sports in general used to be more about artistry ans now, because of the money involved, efficiency counts more.
 

DEFchenkOE

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However, can anyone really be suprised at the lack of technical ability in our game? As a kid, did anyone here regularly play on a pitch that was condusive to slick passing and creativity? My memories of playing as a young kid will always be chasng onto the ball that the fat centre half has booted over the top of their defence for me to run onto and score! In all, i certainly think Baggio has a point, nowhere more so than when looking at the football played in this country at any level.

Good post and I can definitely agree with this part, when I was in secondary school (1995-2000) I was playing in the enfield premier league on Sundays and the quality and coaching was just terrible. I was quite skillful and also quite fast but I'm short in height (only 5"6 :oops:) and they just used to stick me up front and make me chase long ball after long ball. I would probably end up touching the ball no more than 3 times a game.

It put me off playing football for a long time, I tried to go back to a Saturday league team about a year ago but not alot has changed, over here players are not encouraged to keep hold of the ball and pass neatly but instead to go direct at ALL times. Now I just play futsal which is so much more enjoyable to play in. I believe that the FA should be encouraging youngsters to play this more and then we will start to see alot more technically gifted players from this country.
 

Adam

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Good post and I can definitely agree with this part, when I was in secondary school (1995-2000) I was playing in the enfield premier league on Sundays and the quality and coaching was just terrible. I was quite skillful and also quite fast but I'm short in height (only 5"6 :oops:) and they just used to stick me up front and make me chase long ball after long ball. I would probably end up touching the ball no more than 3 times a game.

It put me off playing football for a long time, I tried to go back to a Saturday league team about a year ago but not alot has changed, over here players are not encouraged to keep hold of the ball and pass neatly but instead to go direct at ALL times. Now I just play futsal which is so much more enjoyable to play in. I believe that the FA should be encouraging youngsters to play this more and then we will start to see alot more technically gifted players from this country.

The development of small sided competitive leagues for kids is essential in my opinion for us to become a technically gifted nation again. Im going over to America this summer to coach football camps and reading through the manual, the emphasis on small sided drills is amazing. That, coupled with the obvious climate advantages that they have over us in many areas means that im sure most of the things i see will be based around passing and keeping the ball on the ground, something that was completely alien to me when i was in primary school ten years ago. Obviously, our game has some advantages in terms of playing quick football and putting teams under pressure, something that European teams seem to suffer against, but it worries me when you look at the lack of pace in the national team, something that is absolutely essential for our style of football to work, and it is no real wonder that we are struggling at the minute. Hopefully the FA will get their heads screwed on and invest great sums of money into this coaching complex at Burton as im sure it will reap its rewards in the future.
 

sheringmann

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"I am unconvinced that either Ronaldo or Henry would have been world-class in the slower, and more technical/tactical oriented 1980s."

This article is a joke. .Players like Ronaldinho, Robinho, Henry and Berba have not only surpassed the so called technical players from the 80s-90s, but also have speed while doing it...They would tear those teams from the 80s to pieces..

Cant be compared. Ask any footballmind except Baggio here that soooo wants to be remembered as one of the all time greats...
 

C0YS

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But italy from what ive seen are gonna deploy a 4-5-1 with Di Natale (a number 10) and possibly Del Piero who can play number 10. And if he gets his attitude together a certain Cassano. I think its mostly an english thing then a world thing. In Spain, Italy the game is nothing to do with Athletisism but more to do with skill
 
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