Is Kaboul the real deal

[DanNolan]

rather have dawson than kaboul....are u mad!!!! Dawson is so limited.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Still ballwatches at times and leaves his marker. The West Brom goal was poor from Kaboul, he should've been tight to Mulumbu. Although Ekotto should've got tighter to prevent the cross as well.

I'm sure in time he'll iron that aspect of his game out though.

Go and watch that goal again, because I did. Mulumbu runs into the box from midfield (first no midfielder tracks him) second he is in front of King just before the cross is made, and it as he backs himself past King that the cross comes over.

The worst culprit is Bale's half arsed failure to help Ekotto, which means King has one eye on the wing play coming into the box so doesn't stick with Mulumbu.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

He was at fault for several of the goals, doesn't meant the losses were solely down to him. He does switch off, that's his problem. I'd still have Gallas and Dawson ahead of him tbh.

He was at fault for no more, possibly less than Dawson in those two games, in fact in the ManU game he was one of the better players overall.

Dawson over Kaboul, Defoe over VDV ?

You live in an alternative dimension.

 

[felmani26]

He was at fault for several of the goals, doesn't meant the losses were solely down to him. He does switch off, that's his problem. I'd still have Gallas and Dawson ahead of him tbh.

Seriously, what could Dawson, or even Gallas for that matter, have brought to proceedings that we haven't had in the King and Kaboul partnership?

We are lucky to have strength in depth at this position and in Dawson and Gallas we have more than able deputies but if this season has taught us anything it's that it's Kaboul who is the long term future at centre half for us and by default, if King is fit he plays so that is our first choice pairing, period.

 

[Wsussexspur]

Kaboul still seems to be abit hit & miss. He was very good against Villa but then on Saturday He didn't really have the best of games.

 

[saintlyspur]

I think kaboul is first choice alongside ledders he is awsome on his day.Im also very happy we have such strength in depth in these positions

 

[SpurSince57]

Go and watch that goal again, because I did. Mulumbu runs into the box from midfield (first no midfielder tracks him) second he is in front of King just before the cross is made, and it as he backs himself past King that the cross comes over.

The worst culprit is Bale's half arsed failure to help Ekotto, which means King has one eye on the wing play coming into the box so doesn't stick with Mulumbu.

Possibly, but I really can't imagine you defending Dawson in this way.

 

[Mr Pink]

Kaboul has still been pretty immense though hasn't he?

 

[Khilari]

shouldn't Younès have challenged the defender in front of him?

 

[thekneaf]

Go and watch that goal again, because I did. Mulumbu runs into the box from midfield (first no midfielder tracks him) second he is in front of King just before the cross is made, and it as he backs himself past King that the cross comes over.

The worst culprit is Bale's half arsed failure to help Ekotto, which means King has one eye on the wing play coming into the box so doesn't stick with Mulumbu.

Having watched the goal again a few times Mulumbu is Kaboul's responsibility. King as to watch his position, if the winger beats Ekotto then he has to pounce. Kaboul, Walker and Freidle have to recognise that there is only one player that can score. To let him drift unchallenged was criminal. There were only 2 WBA players in the box. Walker was marking his man while Kaboul was ballwatching.

Can you blame the midfielders for not tracking? If the midfield rush into the box they leave us exposed to a cut back to the D. Might Parker and Sandro have thought that King and Kaboul would be able to manage one player?

This doesn't take away the fact that this mistake occurs to even the best now and again. Kaboul and King are our 1st choice pairing through merit and it would be folly to place too much weight on one mistake.

However it does concern me how often we are exposed by the ball dropping between our centre backs; Real; Man Utd; WBA - all identical goals

 

[SpurSince57]

Kaboul has still been pretty immense though hasn't he?

He's been great, but then, I've always been a fan. However, he's by no means bombproof, any more or less than Dawson.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Having watched the goal again a few times Mulumbu is Kaboul's responsibility. King as to watch his position, if the winger beats Ekotto then he has to pounce. Kaboul, Walker and Freidle have to recognise that there is only one player that can score. To let him drift unchallenged was criminal. There were only 2 WBA players in the box. Walker was marking his man while Kaboul was ballwatching.

Can you blame the midfielders for not tracking? If the midfield rush into the box they leave us exposed to a cut back to the D. Might Parker and Sandro have thought that King and Kaboul would be able to manage one player?

This doesn't take away the fact that this mistake occurs to even the best now and again. Kaboul and King are our 1st choice pairing through merit and it would be folly to place too much weight on one mistake.

However it does concern me how often we are exposed by the ball dropping between our centre backs; Real; Man Utd; WBA - all identical goals

No, honestly, I looked hard because it looked in the end like it should have been Kaboul, but what happens is Mulumbu starts in front of King and moves backwards literally as the cross is hit. It's a great cross and good movement that caught both our CB's out. One felt he couldn't go backwards one didn't have time to move forwards.

 

[SpurSince57]

However it does concern me how often we are exposed by the ball dropping between our centre backs; Real; Man Utd; WBA - all identical goals

We've conceded eight goals in 10 games. It's not exactly wrist-slashing time, is it?

 

[Luka Van der Bale]

We've conceded eight goals in 10 games. It's not exactly wrist-slashing time, is it?

This. Eight goals versus twenty-five at the other end. The style we play, scoring more than 2 goals in every game since the City game, it is fantastic to be able to say that only once have we conceded more than once in a game during this run. Three clean sheets could definately be improved on, but at this moment in time it isn't a massive worry.

 

[StartingPrice]

We've conceded eight goals in 10 games. It's not exactly wrist-slashing time, is it?

And if you take off the 2 goals conceded in the Newcastle draw, we've conceded six goals in nine winning games.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Possibly, but I really can't imagine you defending Dawson in this way.

I don't agree that Kaboul is as prone to error as Dawson. Whilst both may make positional errors (to be honest most cb's do), Dawson is far more prone to errors on the ground in dealing with players with the ball. Kaboul is far more mobile and quicker reacting than Dawson.

And off the top of my head I can remember saying something pretty similar (ie not blaaming Dawson when others were) when Wolves equalised at Molineux (3-3 last season) and have said numerous occasions that the amount of crosses we allow in unchallenged is a far bigger problem. It is very hard for cb's to read the mind of a player using clever movement without the ball. What we need to do is teach Bale and Lennon (or whoever is on the flanks) and our full backs to snuff out crosses better than they do. We let WBA hit over something like 25, and us, despite having two out and out wingers playing (and better full backs supposedly) hit something like 18.

You allow 25 crosses and it's a nailed on certainty that a few are going to be finding the strikers heads.

 

[stemark44]

There was a very good cross into our box later in the game and Odenwinge got between King and Ekotto for a clear header at close range,luckily for us,he missed.

For a cross into the box defenders have a responsibility to position themselves along the 6 yard line.
Kaboul and King were in the correct position.
I don't care who the defenders are,if the cross is whipped into the box and lands between the CB's,there is nothing they can do.
The cross into Mulumba was inch perfect and he scored...............sometimes we just have to give credit to our opponent's.

 

[Mr Pink]

I don't agree that Kaboul is as prone to error as Dawson. Whilst both may make positional errors (to be honest most cb's do), Dawson is far more prone to errors on the ground in dealing with players with the ball. Kaboul is far more mobile and quicker reacting than Dawson.

And off the top of my head I can remember saying something pretty similar (ie not blaaming Dawson when others were) when Wolves equalised at Molineux (3-3 last season) and have said numerous occasions that the amount of crosses we allow in unchallenged is a far bigger problem. It is very hard for cb's to read the mind of a player using clever movement without the ball. What we need to do is teach Bale and Lennon (or whoever is on the flanks) and our full backs to snuff out crosses better than they do. We let WBA hit over something like 25, and us, despite having two out and out wingers playing (and better full backs supposedly) hit something like 18.

You allow 25 crosses and it's a nailed on certainty that a few are going to be finding the strikers heads.

This is a very fair point.

 

[jonathanhotspur]

I think Kaboul is the nuts but there was no doubt in my mind that he was caught completely flat footed when that cross came in. I thought Ledley had a number of shocking moments (particularly by his standards).

But the lack of pressure on the ball before the cross was whipped in was criminal. I was going mad. Bale was mincing around the place when there was a bit of donkey work to be done (which is par for the course with him, really) and BAE didn't kill himself either.

 

[Narnill]

Someone said the other day that BAE was quicker than Lennon in the sprints. He looked fucking SLOW getting out to that ball.