It will all end in tears.

[Mullers]

I can't see Ramos being here for the long term, I think he will be here for two years maybe three at a stretch. Ramos has to be successful in a very short time. Success is a top four finish that is what the board want and they want it now I don't see Ramos achieving that in the short time he has available. Winning a trophy will simply buy Ramos some time.

Ramos barely speaks English so if Poyet comes here he will be the one communicating Ramos instructions to the players. We have seen what happens before when the manager can not communicate his instructions to the players. Ramos is not here for footballing reasons he is here because of the 5/6 million year he is reportedly getting, he won't have any fear of losing is job at all what ever happens he'll walk away a millionaire.

Will the policy of buying young English talent remain? Will he be able to get the players he wants what ever age they are? or will he be told the club isn't prepared to pay blahblah amount for a 28 year old? I think there will be an influx of spanish players in January.

As for the board I think they've done a good job up until this point, now I think they are a laughing stock and they made the club a laughing stock. I'm convinced they will sell the club once someone makes them an offer they can't refuse.

I am gutted that Jol has gone and that CH as gone. We were no where before Jol came along and Chris has given 30 years service to the club. I want Ramos to be a success but he won't be given time, not by the board and not by a certain section of the spurs support, the same ones who called for Jol to go after 7 games last season.

 

[joey55]

I'm equally gutted about Jol, but I think it's unfair to say Ramos is here for the money. According to Sky's Spannish football experts Ramos has been studying English football for over a year and has a genuine desire to manage in the Prem. So i do think he is here for football reasons. However, i'm not so sure the board appointed him for purely football reasons. I've said in a few other threads that i'm not at all convinced that Ramos is Comolli's appointment and the suggestion in Spain is that Ramos will be in charge of first team recruitment, so again this suggests that Comolli isn't behind the move. I just think Ramos may be a better appointment for Totteham Hotspur Plc and than Tottenham Hotspur the football team. A talented young squad, superb financial figures and the most sort after coach in Europe is a great sales package. In truth our squad isn't anyhwere near as talented as most of our fans and a great deal of the media believe it to be, Ramos probably isn't the next Wenger and our financial figures are so great partly because the club refuse to bring in the type of players needed to take us up a level. Sacking Jol hides these things for at least the rest of this season (it makes alot more sense to suggest the coach wasn't good enough than to acknowledge the squad needs a lot of money spending on it, alot of which will end up as balance sheet losses, something Enic themselves have a phobia against.) That should be enough time for Enic to sell.

 

[citron]

that should be enough time for Enic to sell.

lets hope so! n then maybe jol will return..


(n maybe mido)

 

[Pinto]

You may be right about Enic selling but I just get so nervous thinking about what new idiot will take over and turn us into Newcastle and spend big and overpay and get us in bad shape moneywise.

I also have a hard time just saying Jol wasn't responsible for at least a big chunk of our problems this year. Our set piece defending is again a joke, its not like everyone doesn't know it yet we cant get it fixed?? Also not having the balls to drop Robbo and get him moving in the right direction instead of killing his confidence even more than it was halfway through this season.

Sure he kind of got screwed with injuries to King and Lennon but his subs were average at best, he would always seem to wait for the goal to be scored on us before he made a change, it drove me crazy because I would be screaming at the TV to make a change and get a different vibe out on the pitch but it was just too late time and time again.

Anyway, not for sure Ramos is the answer but something had to be done and done quickly so not much else the board could do if you ask me. Shouldn't have screwed things up to start with but once that was done and the season didn't turn around they had to do something.

Good luck Jol and Chrissy hope things work out for you.

 

[Pinto]

Ohh and it is better than bringing in a past legend who can't coach to try and do the job.

Can't believe I didn't hear the calls for Hoddle to come back and am happy we went out and brought in a coach who has won silverware and done a good job in his last job. He is the hottest name in coaching and you are already bashing him??

Why don't we at least wait till we hire him and maybe he coaches one game before you tell me he is only in it for the money.

 

[wingnuts_ashes]

mourinho didn't speak english when he went to chelsea. maybe we should give the new coach a little bit of time before deciding that he will fail :roll: the poor bloke hasn't even joined us yet.

 

[nidge]

mourinho didn't speak english when he went to chelsea. maybe we should give the new coach a little bit of time before deciding that he will fail :roll: the poor bloke hasn't even joined us yet.

Yes Mourinho did speak english when he first joined Chelsea. For fucks suck his job in Barca was a translator for Bobby Robson :roll:

 

[tony0379]

Yes Mourinho did speak english when he first joined Chelsea. For fucks suck his job in Barca was a translator for Bobby Robson :roll:

beat me to it

 

[Legend10]

I can't see Ramos being here for the long term, I think he will be here for two years maybe three at a stretch. Ramos has to be successful in a very short time. Success is a top four finish that is what the board want and they want it now I don't see Ramos achieving that in the short time he has available. Winning a trophy will simply buy Ramos some time.

Ramos barely speaks English so if Poyet comes here he will be the one communicating Ramos instructions to the players. We have seen what happens before when the manager can not communicate his instructions to the players. Ramos is not here for footballing reasons he is here because of the 5/6 million year he is reportedly getting, he won't have any fear of losing is job at all what ever happens he'll walk away a millionaire.

Will the policy of buying young English talent remain? Will he be able to get the players he wants what ever age they are? or will he be told the club isn't prepared to pay blahblah amount for a 28 year old? I think there will be an influx of spanish players in January.

As for the board I think they've done a good job up until this point, now I think they are a laughing stock and they made the club a laughing stock. I'm convinced they will sell the club once someone makes them an offer they can't refuse.

I am gutted that Jol has gone and that CH as gone. We were no where before Jol came along and Chris has given 30 years service to the club. I want Ramos to be a success but he won't be given time, not by the board and not by a certain section of the spurs support, the same ones who called for Jol to go after 7 games last season.

No we were nowhere before this board came along learned the ropesand gave this club some direction.

Introduced a transfer policy which stoppedus being a final pay day for over the hill players who's best days were behind them and had little desire to push themselves on.

Jol was provided with a squad better than any Spurs manager for a long long time and quite simply couldn't coach it beyond 5th place or to any cup success. Even if Enic wants to sell which it probably does then they haven't shyed away from staff investment or any other investment which they believe will give the management team opportunity to produce on the pitch. The more successful the team the more money coming in and the more they can sell for.

Of course Ramos will be more attractive to an investor than Jol and that in itself tells you all you really need to know.

And I think that your negative comments re Ramos are very ill informed and are more pro Jolism rather than being anywhere near reality.

 

[worcestersauce]

oops see below

 

[worcestersauce]

It's becoming clear that Ramos has been coming all along, he has been learning English and has spoken twith friends about Spurs and has apparently been watching our games, on vid I guess, which pretty well confirms that the meeting earlier in the season was about next season when his contract expired.
What needs to be sorted out is who is the gimp who keeps leaking everything to the press, it is them that have made this all go tits not the board, Find the leak and things will settle down, if they dont find them it will go on.

 

[oohaahedgar]

We have huge loyal support at our club but also some of the most miserable Fxxxking
fans in the league( west ham have the worst).

 

[C0YS]

We have huge loyal support at our club but also some of the most miserable Fxxxking
fans in the league( west ham have the worst).

lol, you've got a point but i think at the moment spurs fans have a right to be miserable.

 

[michaelden]

He's not even hired yet and the nay sayers are already singing.

FFS!! Give the man a chance

 

[Legend10]

lol, you've got a point but i think at the moment spurs fans have a right to be miserable.

Please excuse me for not being miserable.

I feel for Jol & CH but my overwhelming mood at the moment is one of excitement.

Come on Jaunde give us some glory!:clap:

 

[phil]

No we were nowhere before this board came along learned the ropesand gave this club some direction.

Introduced a transfer policy which stoppedus being a final pay day for over the hill players who's best days were behind them and had little desire to push themselves on.

Jol was provided with a squad better than any Spurs manager for a long long time and quite simply couldn't coach it beyond 5th place or to any cup success. Even if Enic wants to sell which it probably does then they haven't shyed away from staff investment or any other investment which they believe will give the management team opportunity to produce on the pitch. The more successful the team the more money coming in and the more they can sell for.

Of course Ramos will be more attractive to an investor than Jol and that in itself tells you all you really need to know.

And I think that your negative comments re Ramos are very ill informed and are more pro Jolism rather than being anywhere near reality.

Spot on - have some rep.

Jol is the cause of our current problems.

 

[oohaahedgar]

Please excuse me for not being miserable.

I feel for Jol & CH but my overwhelming mood at the moment is one of excitement.

Come on Jaunde give us some glory!:clap:

My feelings exactly.

 

[Paxtonite]

I have been fairly critical of the anti jol posters on this site and i have always maintained that we should have given Jol until the end of this season. I fear the effects of starting over and instability. That said his position became impossible just three games into the season and it sadly was never going to recover.

All this has shown is how decent men get shafted in a ruthless corporate world. The board have bungled their actions badly and once again made our club a laughing stock after a couple of years of stability and keeping off the back pages for non footballing reasons. Other teams were starting to respect us and consider us a threat again which we hadn't been for years.

Nevertheless, Jol is sadly gone and i wish him good fortune. I am not so sad to see his coaching staff go though. CH was immensely loyal for 30 years to our club but perhaps no.2 was a position beyond him.

It seems that Ramos is on his way and we have to respect that appointment and his achievements. Hopefully he will be able to move our club on. If Poyet arrives too then i think that will be a good move as a conduit between manager and players and Poyet will be good for the dressing room too.

Strategically the board may have got it right. Time will tell. But their handling of this whole scenario has been shameful and embarrasing.

 

[phil]

My feelings exactly.

And mine.

There were two positives to come out of last Thursday, Lennon looked like his old self and Jol getting the sack.

For the last two months Jol has been 'dead man walking'. I'm really excited about the future.

And no I don't have sympathy for Jol. He was a poor coach and has walked away with £4 million of our money.

 

[AngerManagement]

I havnt actually read any of the posts above (aside the first) so excuse me if this has already been mentioned.

I feel Levy will give Ramos more time and allow him to build, I base this on my reasoning that Ramos is the fist coach Levy has selected since his new plan so to speak was developed (I mean since he brought in Arneson and whatnot).

Santini quit almost straight away and Jol (who was not brought in as a number 1) took over a did a reasonable job. This doesnt mean Levy ever had confidence in Jol or felt he had what it takes to get us to the top.

Now LEvy has brought in the man he feels has the criteia he is looking for so I think he will be given the full backing of the board and time to develop his team in the way Wenger has. Our poor start to the season will also have taken pressure off the new man in some respects as he will surely not be expected to deliver CL football this season.