Jan's Comeback

[jurgen]

I'm wondering if Bentaleb at CB is something worth trying in cup games till Jan comes back. I know CCV is highly rated but he doesn't seem tall enough to me. Anyone know what his height is? He looks 5.11 - 6ft to me and you really need to be around 6.2 to be a CB.

Didn't you say you'd punch Lamela for doing a rabona if you were his coach, and now you're writing off our best defensive prospect because he ain't f@cking tall enough for your liking. I never knew Tony Pulis was a Spurs fan...

 

[Shadydan]

I'm wondering if Bentaleb at CB is something worth trying in cup games till Jan comes back. I know CCV is highly rated but he doesn't seem tall enough to me. Anyone know what his height is? He looks 5.11 - 6ft to me and you really need to be around 6.2 to be a CB.

Posts like these is where you completely show yourself up.

The last defender who was a Ballon d'Or winner was 5'9,
Cameron Carter-Vickers is 6'0
Even Alderweireld wouldn't qualify as a CB according to your criteria

 

[Sp3akerboxxx]

I'm wondering if Bentaleb at CB is something worth trying in cup games till Jan comes back. I know CCV is highly rated but he doesn't seem tall enough to me. Anyone know what his height is? He looks 5.11 - 6ft to me and you really need to be around 6.2 to be a CB.

Fabio cannavaro was 5 9. Ccv is the same height as alessandro nesta .

 

[Matthew Wyatt]

Wimmer has been excellent -- totally with the program -- and allows Poch to ease Vertonghen back in when he's ready. Then Alderwiereld and Vertonghen are our first choice centre backs again. Simple.

Whoever Poch picks after Verts returns we need cover. We are an injury away from losing a balanced CB pairing and our only "recognised" striker. Before Verts got injured we had Vimmer, and he has stepped up seemlesly. It worries me that we have no like for like replacement if Toby or Vimmer get injured.

You're mad! You're saying that if our back-ups are injured then we need back-ups for our back-ups -- how big a squad do you think we should have?

 

[spursram]

Wimmer has been excellent -- totally with the program -- and allows Poch to ease Vertonghen back in when he's ready. Then Alderwiereld and Vertonghen are our first choice centre backs again. Simple.


You're mad! You're saying that if our back-ups are injured then we need back-ups for our back-ups -- how big a squad do you think we should have?

I think we should have a back up striker to Kane and 2 back up CBs. What's mad about that? I do accept we have Dier. But at some point in the next 2 months, Toby and Vimmer will need rotating. As will Dier. Or do you think they can play all the time in all 3 of the competitions we are engaged in, escaping injury and bookings? Vimmer was back up to Verts. Who is back up to Toby? Dier? Fair enough, but I think we are stretching our luck in regard to 3 key positions as compared to the overload of resources in midfield.

What's your opinion of the number of midfield players we have? Is it madness in your opinion?

 

[Matthew Wyatt]

I think we should have a back up striker to Kane and 2 back up CBs. What's mad about that? I do accept we have Dier. But at some point in the next 2 months, Toby and Vimmer will need rotating. As will Dier. Or do you think they can play all the time in all 3 of the competitions we are engaged in, escaping injury and bookings? Vimmer was back up to Verts. Who is back up to Toby? Dier? Fair enough, but I think we are stretching our luck in regard to 3 key positions as compared to the overload of resources in midfield.

What's your opinion of the number of midfield players we have? Is it madness in your opinion?

You seemed to be suggesting we need back-up for Wimmer, who is back-up for Vertonghen. The striker story is a whole different thing.

 

[longtimespur]

I think we should have a back up striker to Kane and 2 back up CBs. What's mad about that? I do accept we have Dier. But at some point in the next 2 months, Toby and Vimmer will need rotating. As will Dier. Or do you think they can play all the time in all 3 of the competitions we are engaged in, escaping injury and bookings? Vimmer was back up to Verts. Who is back up to Toby? Dier? Fair enough, but I think we are stretching our luck in regard to 3 key positions as compared to the overload of resources in midfield.

What's your opinion of the number of midfield players we have? Is it madness in your opinion?

If I remember correctly I think Poch said he wants 2 players for each position. He definitely doesn't want a bloated like he inherited. He also likes players to able to multi-task to cover for unforeseen injuries ie: 3 CB's getting injured. Hence we have CCV, Davies (who has played for Wales in that position I think) and Dier as extra cover. We do need 5 midfield players in the team each game albeit attacking or defending or able to do both.

 

[Shadydan]

I think we should have a back up striker to Kane and 2 back up CBs. What's mad about that? I do accept we have Dier. But at some point in the next 2 months, Toby and Vimmer will need rotating. As will Dier. Or do you think they can play all the time in all 3 of the competitions we are engaged in, escaping injury and bookings? Vimmer was back up to Verts. Who is back up to Toby? Dier? Fair enough, but I think we are stretching our luck in regard to 3 key positions as compared to the overload of resources in midfield.

What's your opinion of the number of midfield players we have? Is it madness in your opinion?

We have Dier as backup to Toby and Wimmer as backup to Verts plus Poch has been speaking highly of Cameron Carter-Vickers as well, and was happy to get rid of Fazio I'd say that's more than enough.

Also centre backs don't need rotating that much to be honest, rested for the odd game yes but there's absolutely no reason to rest our CB's from here on in unless they pick up an injury or are out of form. In fact quite the opposite, you'd want your CB's to play together as much as possible to get an understanding of each other's games. It's not totally inconceivable that Alderweireld plays every single match until the end of the season.

 

[spursram]

You seemed to be suggesting we need back-up for Wimmer, who is back-up for Vertonghen. The striker story is a whole different thing.

I suggest you read people's posts slowly before calling them "mad". Here is some help, take your time, its not difficult...."Toby or Vimmer".

 

[UpTownSpur]

Didn't you say you'd punch Lamela for doing a rabona if you were his coach, and now you're writing off our best defensive prospect because he ain't f@cking tall enough for your liking. I never knew Tony Pulis was a Spurs fan...

I have absolutely no opinion of CCV and will not form one till he's played in the first team. But 6.2 is around the optimal height for a CB in the Premier League, it's what Toby, Verts and Wimmer are.

 

[Japhet]

I think there are probably a few games where Wimmer would be preferred to Vertonghen who isn't the best in the air or at set pieces. Either way, I think he'll have his work cut out to get back as things stand. Wimmer has slotted in very nicely.

 

[CowInAComa]

I think it's obvious at his stage

Wimmer has done well and proved himself an excellent back up but he's not been on Vertonghen's level

He makes far too many needless fouls and isn't as mobile

He's very good, he's done very well and we are very lucky to have him as part of our squad but when fit Vertonghen is part of the first choice cb partnership and to me it is obvious

Poch doesn't just drop players who are performing well. Unless our defensive solidarity decreases noticeably between now and then I don't expect verts to walk straight into the starting 11.

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

Vertonghen is ahead of Wimmer, and his experience and working relationship with Wimmer will be preferred once fit. After a disastrous match together in the FA cup, Wimmer & Alderweireld tidied up and are working well. But Vertonghen is still a better player, and I'm excited that he is back for the final run in.

 

[Shea]

Poch doesn't just drop players who are performing well. Unless our defensive solidarity decreases noticeably between now and then I don't expect verts to walk straight into the starting 11.

We shall see

I fully expect Vertonghen to walk back in to his place in the first choice pairing

If he doesn't I guess that will mean Wimmer had performed exceptionally well from now until April

 

[spursram]

We have Dier as backup to Toby and Wimmer as backup to Verts plus Poch has been speaking highly of Cameron Carter-Vickers as well, and was happy to get rid of Fazio I'd say that's more than enough.

Also centre backs don't need rotating that much to be honest, rested for the odd game yes but there's absolutely no reason to rest our CB's from here on in unless they pick up an injury or are out of form. In fact quite the opposite, you'd want your CB's to play together as much as possible to get an understanding of each other's games. It's not totally inconceivable that Alderweireld plays every single match until the end of the season.

Can't disagree with what you say, and your optimism has grown on me, but I still think the management of Toby and Dier will be important in the next few weeks. I read somewhere that the combined ground covered by Toby and Wimmer at City was just short of what Walker and Rose covered. Quite a lot of energy consumed. Dier, as we know, also puts in a huge shift.
I haven't seen CCV play, but if we think we might need him then best blood him soon. But up against Adebayor on Sunday? maybe not. Dier didn't start Thursday so my prediction is he will drop back and play alongside Wimmer.
I'll feel a lot happier the closer we get to Verts returning, not that I think he should walk straight back in, Wimmer has been excellent. He's just turned 23 and CCV just turned 18. Looking good Houston.

 

[olliec]

CCV looks a bit of a unit and only 18 still.