Jenas on the move!!!!!

[$hoguN]

i'm not debating whether he has been good this season, as personally I feel he hasn't been up to scratch most times i've seen him. However I don't think its fair or helpful to label him as crap as he has been a very valuable player for us the last few seasons, and if played alongside Palacios may still have something to offer in the future

 

[dannythomas]

He is NOT crap, but as has been pointed out this season he just hasn't looked like he can fulfill the role the team requires him to, which isn't really that shocking as he is not a DM and his strengths lie in getting forward

I don't understand why more people can't appreciate that this is the crux of the problem. To say he is crap is ignorant. He is a crap DM but a quality attacking midfielder and the only one we have who is likely to get some goals. Unfortunately he can't play in that role next to Tommy who is a fixture in Harry's team .

 

[Son_Of]

If JJ had Palacios sized bollox he'd be class

unfortunately he doesn't

if he had bollocks the size of palacios he wouldn't even be able to walk

 

[Michey]

If you want to form an "ignorant idiots" group, Michey, I'm in :up:

:lol:

:cheers:

 

[camaj]

He is a crap DM but a quality attacking midfielder and the only one we have who is likely to get some goals.

I can't believe anyone would have the guts to say that! You think Kranjcar or Modric aren't likely to get goals?

To listen to some people, Jenas is one of the best players we've ever had and those of us who think he spent most games as a spectator are ignoring this. You have to wonder why Fergie, whinger et al. haven't been trying to unsettle him in hopes he'll ask for a transfer or he isn't a regular in the england squad

 

[SpurSince57]

I can't believe anyone would have the guts to say that! You think Kranjcar or Modric aren't likely to get goals?

To listen to some people, Jenas is one of the best players we've ever had and those of us who think he spent most games as a spectator are ignoring this. You have to wonder why Fergie, whinger et al. haven't been trying to unsettle him in hopes he'll ask for a transfer or he isn't a regular in the england squad

Mourinho's expressed interest, however, and he's a pretty regular fixture in the England squad. Until this season, he's been a first-choice CM for three very different Spurs managers—but I guess some of our members know better than them, Robson, Capello, Mourinho, et al. He's a massively frustrating player who, for whatever reason(s), hasn't lived up to his promise, but calling him 'crap' is plain ignorant.

 

[camaj]

I didn't call him crap though.He's not crap, he's just average. He's not "very good", "consistent" or "the best CM we've had in years" either

Kranjcar has scored a goal every 4.5 appearances,Modric every 11.75. A few seasons ago jenas was hitting a goal ever 4 games, last season it was 1 in 8 games

If Jenas was first choice CM (and i don't think we know) that just means he was better than the other ones we've had, that doesn't mean he's any good. At times I was happy he was in the team, at times I felt he should have been playing for england but other times I felt he'd outstayed his welcolme

 

[hybridsoldier]

Ive defended him for years, I just cant do it anymore

the guy has been "promising" forever, he is just too too cushty in his role with his wages

he has not moved on from the most expensive teenager in engand at the time when he joined Newcastle from Forest. He is STILL the same bloody player! If anything walking into the team at Spurs has made him more lax and dropped his game.

He is a nothing player, he doesnt attack, he doesn't defend, he just sits there and makes nothing passes. Even Tim Sherwood identified it, that Jenas just sits and passes sideways, he needs to drive "or even I could stay play against him", as Sherwood said.

I always worried he'd go to Villa and be a big star but I really don't care anymore, I just don't see it. Hudd has moved his game along so much over the past year, he is already proving to be a better player than JJ.

Call us idiots but we have seen more than our fair share of CM bollocks at this club, and I think we are very well placed to judge that JJ leaving is fantastic news. The club needs to move forward.

To be honest selling him and SHerwood's comments make me happy we are moving in the right direction.

 

[SpurSince57]

Ive defended him for years, I just cant do it anymore

the guy has been "promising" forever, he is just too too cushty in his role with his wages

he has not moved on from the most expensive teenager in engand at the time when he joined Newcastle from Forest. He is STILL the same bloody player! If anything walking into the team at Spurs has made him more lax and dropped his game.

He is a nothing player, he doesnt attack, he doesn't defend, he just sits there and makes nothing passes. Even Tim Sherwood identified it, that Jenas just sits and passes sideways, he needs to drive "or even I could stay play against him", as Sherwood said.

I always worried he'd go to Villa and be a big star but I really don't care anymore, I just don't see it. Hudd has moved his game along so much over the past year, he is already proving to be a better player than JJ.

Call us idiots but we have seen more than our fair share of CM bollocks at this club, and I think we are very well placed to judge that JJ leaving is fantastic news. The club needs to move forward.

To be honest selling him and SHerwood's comments make me happy we are moving in the right direction.

I feel exactly the same. His old manager at Forest said he wouldn't show his best until he was 25—fair enough, but he's now 27 and simply hasn't fulfilled that potential. Why? No idea, except that it's almost certainly something between the ears.

All the same, how many better midfielders have we had in the last 15 years or so? Some of the comments we've had have been pretty disgraceful.

 

[Spurger King]

Such a frustrating player because he could have been great. He's certainly not shit, as some suggest, nor is he average. He's a very good player that is, unfortunately, very inconsistent.

Average players tend to put in run of the mill performances most weeks, and maybe an occasional stand-out effort. Jenas can look every bit an England international player one week, then a non-descript also ran in another, then a dreadful liability the next.

He's simply not reliable. This pains me to say because, like hybridsoldier and ss57, I've always tried to defend him. Sadly the truth is his career will be defined by potential. Potentially a match winner, potentially a spectator, potentially the weak link. Those are the considerations that go through my mind when I see him named in our starting line-up.

He seems to lack the belief in himself..or more accurately..seems unable to believe in his abilities for more than fleeting periods at a time.

 

[Delboy10]

Such a frustrating player because he could have been great. He's certainly not shit, as some suggest, nor is he average. He's a very good player that is, unfortunately, very inconsistent.

Average players tend to put in run of the mill performances most weeks, and maybe an occasional stand-out effort. Jenas can look every bit an England international player one week, then a non-descript also ran in another, then a dreadful liability the next.

He's simply not reliable. This pains me to say because, like hybridsoldier and ss57, I've always tried to defend him. Sadly the truth is his career will be defined by potential. Potentially a match winner, potentially a spectator, potentially the weak link. Those are the considerations that go through my mind when I see him named in our starting line-up.

He seems to lack the belief in himself..or more accurately..seems unable to believe in his abilities for more than fleeting periods at a time.

Couldn't agree more with this. Rep on it's way.

 

[dannythomas]

I didn't call him crap though.He's not crap, he's just average. He's not "very good", "consistent" or "the best CM we've had in years" either

Kranjcar has scored a goal every 4.5 appearances,Modric every 11.75. A few seasons ago jenas was hitting a goal ever 4 games, last season it was 1 in 8 games

If Jenas was first choice CM (and i don't think we know) that just means he was better than the other ones we've had, that doesn't mean he's any good. At times I was happy he was in the team, at times I felt he should have been playing for england but other times I felt he'd outstayed his welcolme

The stats also depend on what roles the players are asked to perform. When Jenas plays DM he is unikely to score by definition. Modric spent much of last season playing as our most advanced midfielder and his goals per game ratio is poor. Kranjcar looks like he could be every inch as frustrating as Jenas- brilliant one week, very poor the next. But i don't see the Niko is crap threads appearing. .It is my opinion that if Jenas had played more in the role to which he is best suited then he would have been much more effective. Huddlestone is simply too immobile to allow him that licence to get forward. But at the end of last season JJ and WP looked good together and I would have liked to have seen it more often this season.
That said I accept that he is inconsistent but when Carrick sat in front of our back four Jenas was effective and likewise when paired with Tainio or Palacios. I think these things are for the most part being overlooked in the negative comments he always gets. I would ask the question who is more likely to be part of a top 4 side Jenas or Huddlestone. I would say probably neither but Jenas more so than Hudd.

 

[StartingPrice]

The stats also depend on what roles the players are asked to perform. When Jenas plays DM he is unikely to score by definition. Modric spent much of last season playing as our most advanced midfielder and his goals per game ratio is poor. Kranjcar looks like he could be every inch as frustrating as Jenas- brilliant one week, very poor the next. But i don't see the Niko is crap threads appearing. .It is my opinion that if Jenas had played more in the role to which he is best suited then he would have been much more effective. Huddlestone is simply too immobile to allow him that licence to get forward. But at the end of last season JJ and WP looked good together and I would have liked to have seen it more often this season.
That said I accept that he is inconsistent but when Carrick sat in front of our back four Jenas was effective and likewise when paired with Tainio or Palacios. I think these things are for the most part being overlooked in the negative comments he always gets. I would ask the question who is more likely to be part of a top 4 side Jenas or Huddlestone. I would say probably neither but Jenas more so than Hudd.

I've seen green shoots poking through the snow:wink:

 

[BringBack_leGin]

First of all, the Kranjcar - Jenas comparison is ridiculous as they are completely different players. One is a playmaker and an entertainer, the other is a box to box midfielder, a huffer and a puffer. There is inconsistency common to both? Perhaps. However, Jenas inconsistency reared its head as a first choice player who was guaranteed a start every time, while with Kranjcar he was on brilliant form until the combined injury to Lennon/ return of Modric, which led to our system changing and then Modric being pushed ahead despite poor form.

Further to that, and this may be a stupid way of looking at things, but the fact that Kranjcar at his best is very easy on the eye, with flamboyance, flair, and genuine verve makes me far more tolerant when things don't come off for him than when things don't come off for Jenas. Kranjcar has bad games, very bad sometimes, as does any player, but he is always trying to entertain, always trying to create and always trying to do the unexpected. Even when he plays badly there is always the chance that he'll do something brilliant. This makes me like him more as a player and makes me more willing to take the good and the bad.

Is Jenas a bad player? No, not at all. Is he a good player? Sometimes, yes. But in all honesty, if he is to leave this summer, I will wish him well, say thanks for the performances against Arsenal, and not miss him one bit.

 

[southlondonyiddo]

He's shit

Pratt/Howells/Sedgely/Berti/Redknapp/Sherwood etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc were all far superior wearing a Tottenham shirt in midfield, cant believe we never finished top5 (TWICE!) with those guys starting every week

 

[stemark44]

You would have to say that Harry is unhappy with his performances otherwise he would be starting.
I would love to grab Jenas by the throat and give a good shaking because he has all the attributes to make a top quality midfielder.
But for whatever reason he simply isn't getting the message or the belief in himself to really go for it.
Maybe he can't get over the treatment he gets from the fans but at this stage in his career he needs to be saying to himself "fuck them - I will make those bastards eat their words"
Like Pav and Bentley before him - he needs a rocket up his arse and I reckon Harry is giving him it now.
He says that he is really happy and content at Spurs but If he doesn't start putting in REAL performances in the next few months then he will be out the door in the summer and it will be his own fault!

 

[StockSpur]

some nice properties for sale in my area...Stockholm's lovely in the summer too :

 

[Wiener]

You would have to say that Harry is unhappy with his performances otherwise he would be starting.

Jenas is currently injured and has been for much of the season. I suspect this is the main reason for his lack of playing time and starts.

Given last seasons excellent partnership with Palacios I would imagine Redknapp preferred pairing at the start of this season was Jenas/Palacios. Jenas's injuries allowed Huddlestone to come in and he has done well for the most part.

Having said all that something seems to wrong with Jenas given his poor showings in his last games. Perhaps he is still carrying an injury.

I never understood why he is accused of being inconsistent. He has consistently been solid for us. Every player has an off-day, so I don't see him as any more "inconsistent" than any other of our other players.

His main problem is that he has not developed into the player many of us believe he could be. Let's hope he gets out of his current physical and mental rut and provides some good competition and cover for one of the central midfield positions.

 

[StartingPrice]

Jenas is currently injured and has been for much of the season. I suspect this is the main reason for his lack of playing time and starts.

Given last seasons excellent partnership with Palacios I would imagine Redknapp preferred pairing at the start of this season was Jenas/Palacios. Jenas's injuries allowed Huddlestone to come in and he has done well for the most part.

Having said all that something seems to wrong with Jenas given his poor showings in his last games. Perhaps he is still carrying an injury.

I never understood why he is accused of being inconsistent. He has consistently been solid for us. Every player has an off-day, so I don't see him as any more "inconsistent" than any other of our other players.

His main problem is that he has not developed into the player many of us believe he could be. Let's hope he gets out of his current physical and mental rut and provides some good competition and cover for one of the central midfield positions.

It is correct that he was injured at the beginning of the season and that was why THudd got his start - 'Arry has said as much.

Largely agree with this, but I have been at the forefront of defending JJ in the past, Wiener, and people say he is inconsistent, er, because he IS incosistent. He can put in a near perfect cross, and his free-kicks on goal are as good as you'll get, abd yet I have watched him in matches were not one of his crosses clears the first man (a cardinal sin in my book), and, with 4 or 5 perfectly placed free kicks, every single one of them was balooned high into the stand - 'range-finding' with the first or even second would be forgiveable, but all of them:shrug: He is also inconsistent in that he has great drive in getting forward, playing neat one-twos to break down opposition defence, for instance, and yet in some games he 'goes missing' (just doesn't seem to 'want' to get involved).

Now, I have went out on a limb to explain to the 'knockers' (oooeeeer, missus) that this guy has tremendous potential and has greater potential that almsot any player we have hada at the Lane in the last 20 years, but he is inconsistent (which is why we are always referencing his potential in his defence, otherwise we wouldn't need to defend him, would we:shrug. This year, in his few appearances he has been shocking, I suspect you are right that he has been carrying a knock all season - but whilst typing this another explanation has occurred to me: maybe all the talk of Hose Mourinho and Inter Milan has turned his head a bit and unsettled him.

Inspite of this, calling him 'crap' is just ignorant, and a fully firing JJ, especially if he finally fulfills his potential, is a positive asset to this club, and I really wish the boo-boys would get off his case:bang:

 

[Wiener]

It is correct that he was injured at the beginning of the season and that was why THudd got his start - 'Arry has said as much.

Largely agree with this, but I have been at the forefront of defending JJ in the past, Wiener, and people say he is inconsistent, er, because he IS incosistent. He can put in a near perfect cross, and his free-kicks on goal are as good as you'll get, abd yet I have watched him in matches were not one of his crosses clears the first man (a cardinal sin in my book), and, with 4 or 5 perfectly placed free kicks, every single one of them was balooned high into the stand - 'range-finding' with the first or even second would be forgiveable, but all of them:shrug: He is also inconsistent in that he has great drive in getting forward, playing neat one-twos to break down opposition defence, for instance, and yet in some games he 'goes missing' (just doesn't seem to 'want' to get involved).

Now, I have went out on a limb to explain to the 'knockers' (oooeeeer, missus) that this guy has tremendous potential and has greater potential that almsot any player we have hada at the Lane in the last 20 years, but he is inconsistent (which is why we are always referencing his potential in his defence, otherwise we wouldn't need to defend him, would we:shrug. This year, in his few appearances he has been shocking, I suspect you are right that he has been carrying a knock all season - but whilst typing this another explanation has occurred to me: maybe all the talk of Hose Mourinho and Inter Milan has turned his head a bit and unsettled him.

Inspite of this, calling him 'crap' is just ignorant, and a fully firing JJ, especially if he finally fulfills his potential, is a positive asset to this club, and I really wish the boo-boys would get off his case:bang:

I largely agree with you too. My point re inconsistency is that Jenas is no more inconsistent than most of our other players. His problem is he has not developed into the player we think he could be.

Our problem as Spurs fans is that we expect our players to be world class, especially our attacking midfielders, despite the fact that we have been mid-table for much of the last 20 years. Hoddle and Gascoigne were world class a great joy to watch, but we have to be realistic and not rubbish our current players for not being as good.

Today's game showed that we need Jenas to be fit and ready to cover for Huddlestone. Let's hope the latter is not out too long and Jenas is fit for next weekend should the Hudd not recover in time.