Kyle Walker - One of the world's best right backs?

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

I remember reading a while ago about how once a player is taken out of a Poch team, They are made to look like average players. It's an interesting point that the last few games have really made me think of. You look at the Lallana's and Lamberts etc. Poch gives his teams such specific instructions, he works around their flaws and uses the team as a way of bringing out the best in an individual.

Hodson is the complete opposite of this. He tries to find a way of shoehorning as much talent as he can on to a pitch and hopes it works. There is no coherent plan or method of play. Just the hope that some of the players will have a great game. This really exposes the likes of Kane, Ali and Walker etc, who aren't bad players, but are just left to do it all themselves.

A great coach knows how to get the best out of what he is given. Italy, Iceland, wales etc have shown what a coherent tactical plan, team ethic, and players working for each other can do. England have none of that, just a coach telling players a single moment of brilliance is enough (we have star players after all remember). Which itself festers an arrogance we see all to often with England.

This is funny though - it seems the general opinion of Roy has gone from "oh he's tactically stifling the team, he's a defensive, he just needs to give the players more freedom to attack" to "we have no tactics, no plan, players didn't know what to do"

I prefer to go with the reason that our players aren't as good as they are hyped up to be. Our players suffer from coaching flaws at a young age that mean we never develop the instinctive ability to play off-the-cuff pass and move football, in the same way the Germans or French are able to do effortlessly. We also don't seem to ever produce intelligent number 10 types like a Ozil, Eriksen or Silva - the types of players needed if you are going to successfully pick the lock of bus parkers'.

I could go on but the blame does not all lie at Hodgson's door.

 

[double0]

Certainly not a world class right back. Walker's game against Iceland was pretty poor compared to the last game he played for England suggesting Walker's consistency isn't of world class standard add to that he's final ball and lack of concentration at times.

I thought England were shambolic and the Tottenham players were part of that unfortunately Kane was getting booed Alli wasn't being played in. Worse of the bunch was Sterling Rooney held onto the ball far too long and only hit long diagonals Kane wasn't getting good service and Hart what can you say. Vardey is one dimensional and can only play one way ie balls over the top.


England are Sh@@ and everyone knows it they'll alway find a way to mess it up parallels with Tottenham to that respect.

I'd give the job to Hoddle or Beckham...who hasn't got knowledge or experience but has massive respect.

England are lost and stuck in mud

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

Certainly not a world class right back. Walker's game against Iceland was pretty poor compared to the last game he played for England suggesting Walker's consistency isn't of world class standard add to that he's final ball and lack of concentration at times.

I thought England were shambolic and the Tottenham players were part of that unfortunately Kane was getting booed Alli wasn't being played in. Worse of the bunch was Sterling Rooney held onto the ball far too long and only hit long diagonals Kane wasn't getting good service and Hart what can you say. Vardey is one dimensional and can only play one way ie balls over the top.


England are Sh@@ and everyone knows it they'll alway find a way to mess it up parallels with Tottenham to that respect.

I'd give the job to Hoddle or Beckham...who hasn't got knowledge or experience but has massive respect.

England are lost and stuck in mud

Beckham??? Are you serious?

 

[Shadydan]

Spam Lufti? Spam ? In a thread about Walker? How is that possible? Isn't that defying Lufti's law of spam physics?

Classic Lufti

 

[double0]

Beckham??? Are you serious?

Yep I think he'd do well...it'll be really ironic if England went for a foreign manager after a referendum lol

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Very mich came accross as a dig at those who had been praising him, and was unnecessary IMO(as were some of the replies). He didn't have a good game, but then who did? Was no more at fault for the goal than 5 or 6 others who all failed to do a basic defensive job from a set piece. While he under performed yesterday he has been Englands best player over the last couple of months, and others deserve far more stick than Walker does.

It was a dig at those that had been ridiculously hyperbolically over praising him and mistaking, as ever, the ability to move quickly over the ability to think.

I couldn't help but add a soupçon of sardonic venom especially for those hypocrites who have the front to spend years telling us (or at the very least thinking) what a fucktard Merson is, but the minute he tweets "Walker is great" they are tagging it to me.

And the saddest thing in all this is that I didn't start the silly bollocks. I thought Walker had an OK season, improved a bit defensively and often said so, rarely laid into him, just mentioned that he still wasn't providing much going forward. When asked, I also said the same about the first two games of this tournament, he did OK against three pretty shit teams but still didn't deliver much. This all started again because I refused to agree with posters saying he was fantastic - "the best player in the tournament" or "England's best player". In 90 minutes Clyne made more key passes than Walker did in 270.Walker wasn't England's best player in this tournament, let alone the last two months.

I don't hate the guy, I just don't share others high opinion of him, and if they are going to tag me and ask me (as at least two did in this thread) and quote intellectual luminaries such as Rio Ferdinand and Paul Merson then frankly, they are begging for a bit of sarcasm

 

[WalkerboyUK]

Walker's a great attacking full-back. Problem is that he's prone to defensive brain farts.

 

[double0]

Walker's a great attacking full-back. Problem is that he's prone to defensive brain farts.

He's a good athlete gets up and down very effectively but a bit like Rose who imo is a better full back, final delivery is poor.

 

[tobi]

Walker's a great attacking full-back. Problem is that he's prone to defensive brain farts.

When presented with a scenario where the opponent is well positioned and he has to find another way of getting past, he gets stuck and you see him pause for a moment, not because he has no support but because he doesn't know what to do and he doesn't think fast enough.

His first touch is average and he plays it safe too often. I truly believe he's easy to play against if your a good 1 vs 1 defender.

IMO Corluka is still a better attacking fullback than Walker and he's a full time CB now.

 

[WalkerboyUK]

He's a good athlete gets up and down very effectively but a bit like Rose who imo is a better full back, final delivery is poor.

His final delivery is poor, but it doesn't help when there's no-one in the box to play it in to.
In terms of for Spurs, Trippier is a better option going forward.

 

[Lufti]

Classic Lufti

Yeah alright mate, you just keep posting 'lol' on seperate threads round the forum when people praise our players, that's what everyone's here to see. Highlight of the forum. That actually is worthy of a spam rating, considering it's a pointless comment which can be portrayed by a funny rating, should you actually be laughing at people trying to say one of our player's played well. It wouldn't surprise me if you actually were laughing though, considering that's your general approach to the forum - try and belittle others and be cynical instead of offering your own opinions, although when you do the latter it normally is laughable. Such gems in recent weeks as Wilshere being England's best midfielder, formation not making a difference, Hodgson's selection against Slovakia being fine.

 

[Lufti]

I couldn't help but add a soupçon of sardonic venom especially for those hypocrites who have the front to spend years telling us (or at the very least thinking) what a fucktard Merson is, but the minute he tweets "Walker is great" they are tagging it to me.

And the saddest thing in all this is that I didn't start the silly bollocks. I thought Walker had an OK season, improved a bit defensively and often said so, rarely laid into him, just mentioned that he still wasn't providing much going forward. When asked, I also said the same about the first two games of this tournament, he did OK against three pretty shit teams but still didn't deliver much. This all started again because I refused to agree with posters saying he was fantastic - "the best player in the tournament" or "England's best player". In 90 minutes Clyne made more key passes than Walker did in 270.Walker wasn't England's best player in this tournament, let alone the last two months.

"Let's not rewrite history". As I'm the one who tagged you, you're obviously referring to me, but I've never once mentioned any sort of opinion on Merson. By all means have a search, you wont find anything.

Once again, it was a light hearted dig because you claimed it was Spurs fans going OTT on Walker, and then lo and behold a stinking Gooner comes out and says Walker's been good, cheeky little tag at you to say, 'guess it's not just Spurs fans then' and that would be that. Instead you're wiping off the tears on your keyboard as if I've just insulted your entire family or something. For the record, in terms of you claiming you didn't start 'the silly bollocks', on the England thread your brought up the fact that you thought Clyne had been better, and then alluded to a load of stats and another relatively lengthy comment giving your opinion on how Walker hasn't improved significantly and isn't even in the top 10 defenders in the premiership. So you know,

let's not re-write history

 

[Borks]

Yeah alright mate, you just keep posting 'lol' on seperate threads round the forum when people praise our players, that's what everyone's here to see. Highlight of the forum. That actually is worthy of a spam rating, considering it's a pointless comment which can be portrayed by a funny rating, should you actually be laughing at people trying to say one of our player's played well. It wouldn't surprise me if you actually were laughing though, considering that's your general approach to the forum - try and belittle others and be cynical instead of offering your own opinions, although when you do the latter it normally is laughable. Such gems in recent weeks as Wilshere being England's best midfielder, formation not making a difference, Hodgson's selection against Slovakia being fine.

Don't think I've ever seen him offer anything valuable to the forum. Every post is either pointing out the obvious or just following popular opinion.

 

[DiamondLites]

He undid any positivity his performances had garnered with a cluster fuck of a performance last night that was as vintage Walker as you could get - ponderous and aimless going forward, ponderous and brainless defensively

Rather like for us in the season gone by, he started fantastically and then gradually reverted to type at the business end of the season

 

[YiddoTom90]

He undid any positivity his performances had garnered with a cluster fuck of a performance last night that was as vintage Walker as you could get - ponderous and aimless going forward, ponderous and brainless defensively

Rather like for us in the season gone by, he started fantastically and then gradually reverted to type at the business end of the season

doesnt help when the england goalkeeper and defence are shite, forster shouldve started and stones for cahill

 

[Blake Griffin]

don't worry, the sequel will be better.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

"Let's not rewrite history". As I'm the one who tagged you, you're obviously referring to me, but I've never once mentioned any sort of opinion on Merson. By all means have a search, you wont find anything.

Once again, it was a light hearted dig because you claimed it was Spurs fans going OTT on Walker, and then lo and behold a stinking Gooner comes out and says Walker's been good, cheeky little tag at you to say, 'guess it's not just Spurs fans then' and that would be that. Instead you're wiping off the tears on your keyboard as if I've just insulted your entire family or something. For the record, in terms of you claiming you didn't start 'the silly bollocks', on the England thread your brought up the fact that you thought Clyne had been better, and then alluded to a load of stats and another relatively lengthy comment giving your opinion on how Walker hasn't improved significantly and isn't even in the top 10 defenders in the premiership. So you know,

Lufti, don't sweat it, it's all good. I think if you look back I responded to you in the same spirit you initiated. And I did likewise with those that took a different tone with me.

And I didn't say he isn't in the top ten RB's in the EPL, what I actually said was:

I applaud his energy, I think Pochettino has improved him defensively, but I still think he produces very little tangible quality going forward and I don't think he's the cleverest of footballers and still gets in a defensive pickle when he's tested quite often - and the fact that there aren't many world class RB's out there doesn't change that. I've said pretty much that most of the season, I haven't caned Walker every game, just acknowledged the reality.

If I've got a bag full of rotten apples and there is one that's less rotten but still got mould on it, it doesn't make it a great apple.

Then in response to SK's post:

It does if there's nothing better to replace that particular apple.

Walker is flawed, but he's improved significantly in recent years in a way that deserves respect. You never seem to give that to him. Who exactly could we replace him with?

I said this:

Hold on, let's not re-write history. he hasn't "improved significantly in recent years". I'd say the majority on here had just about had enough of his fuckwitted defending and lack of end product by the end of last season, there hadn't been a steady or linear improvement in any aspect of his game, in fact many - not me as my opinion hadn't changed much up to this season - were saying he'd regressed from the promise he'd shown as a younger player.

Pochettino has improved the way we defend as a team, he has put a dedicated DM that drops in to cover for the fb's advances, he has put one of the best CB's in the league last season next to him. He has taught him not to to just charge recklessly forward at every opportunity, he saw 30% less of the ball last year than the previous year. He's reigned him in a bit in other words. But he hasn't improved what he does when he actually gets forward very much at all.

I don't think he's a much better than many RB's in in the EPL, if Darmian played under Pochettino he'd probably look better than Walker after a couple of seasons, and there is Coleman, Sagna, Bellerin, Zabaletta, Clyne, Aspelucuata, Ivanovic, Antonio (when used as a RB), Valencia (not even a rb) all better, par or not much worse. And that's without going through the Spanish, German, Italian, Dutch, Portuguese and Belgian leagues many of which I have very little regular knowledge of their full backs, but am pretty sure there are many amongst those leagues that could do a better job than Walker, they might not all run as fast though.

 

[Lufti]

I said this:

That's not much better or different though is it? Doesn't change the fact that you couldn't wait to slate him yesterday even though he was no worse than the other 10 players on the pitch and looking at the tournament as a whole was one of the better performers. I wouldn't go as far as to say he could hold his head up high after the tournament, but he can at least hold it slightly higher than everyone else bar Dier.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

That's not much better or different though is it? Doesn't change the fact that you couldn't wait to slate him yesterday even though he was no worse than the other 10 players on the pitch and looking at the tournament as a whole was one of the better performers. I wouldn't go as far as to say he could hold his head up high after the tournament, but he can at least hold it slightly higher than everyone else bar Dier.

Well, actually it is different, maybe only slightly but the devil is in the detail sometimes. If you read the thread that inspired you dragging me in here, I don't think I said anything actually outrageous.

You couldn't wait to tag me into here because that **** Merson supposedly contradicted my opinion. If you are going to dish it out, then the least you can do is not be surprised or offended if you get some back. And it was exactly the same with your criticism of @RicOfPeace who you went to an awful lot of trouble (screenshots and wotnot) to berate for spam rating you for having "an opinion on Walker in a thread about Walker", then today spam rated me for exactly the same.

If you are going to dish it mate, you need take it in the same spirit.

 

[Lufti]

Well, actually it is different, maybe only slightly but the devil is in the detail sometimes. If you read the thread that inspired you dragging me in here, I don't think I said anything actually outrageous.

You couldn't wait to tag me into here because that **** Merson supposedly contradicted my opinion. If you are going to dish it out, then the least you can do is not be surprised or offended if you get some back. And it was exactly the same with your criticism of @RicOfPeace who you went to an awful lot of trouble (screenshots and wotnot) to berate for spam rating you for having "an opinion on Walker in a thread about Walker", then today spam rated me for exactly the same.

If you are going to dish it mate, you need take it in the same spirit.

You have such a high opinion of yourself Giving a spam rating for someone slagging off one of our own players in an annoying sarcastic manner whilst trying berate those who championed him is a bit different to receiving 2 spams, a dislike and a d'oh for defending said player / having a bit of fun with someone.