Lamela needs a run in the 10 position...

[fletch82]

I think you should reconsider that post.

Why what was so wrong with it ?

Was it the haters bit ?

 

[yankspurs]

Love how:

- you're totally unqualified but you have decided Ali's best position despite it (correct me if I'm wrong) being a position he hasn't played or rarely played?

- you've decided what Pochettino thinks about players, probably without ever speaking to the guy about it, or even speaking to someone that has spoken to someone who has spoken to him about it.

- Seems to be an implication that Pochettino is some kind of mentalist for wanting an attacking midfielder that scores goals.

- Decided to put a con against our manager because of what someone has written on a forum rather than form your own opinion or watch how the season plays out.

What a guy.

A) Karl Robinson, Alli's manager of multiple years, and the Dons academy coaches decided that.

B) If you paid attention to selections, read the tea leaves, and picked up on the subtle hints from itk along the way, youd get a pretty good grasp on what Poch thinks of certain players

C) No. I just think Poch is wrong to continue his shoehorning ways with Alli.

D) I took what an ITK said and what we've seen in the selections and put it as a con. Ties into B.

There are many gripes i have with Poch. That ive gone through multiple times. This just ties into one of my gripes with him, actually.

 

[jezz]

Name opportunities? haha.

i think i will call this one alan. its on a loop. You know where hes on the right corner of the box, where a E30m player ought to be able to create something. He rolls his left studs over the ball, does a stepover, then prods it forward with his trusted right foot, then realises the defender is just standing watching him, thinking, yeah, and?! He passes it back to walker, or gives the keeper catching practice. You cant remember his shots because he cant actually get away from his man.

Whilst im on, I also like his sliding lunge finish like v real in the friendly, identical to his key miss at anfield last season, just inside the six yard box this time. Harder to miss than score. But with that technique, with your instep pointing north, you tend to miss high. A different type of skill i know, but one hes equally adept at.

you like him, good for you. I think less of him. I think weve made signings because he hasnt stepped up.

Thanks for avoiding the question.
Which is exactly what I thought would happen.
I don't mind debating but at least have some substance to your statements.
You don't rate, fair enough that's your onion.
But try to sound credible and back up your statements with something tangible.
Like I would say to you Lamela creates decent chances in pretty much 99% of games.
That's why he has the most assists in our team.
If you want to include friendlies then Lamela scored 8 goals last year.

 

[idontgetit]

Why does Poch have this false perception that a MF who scores goals is always an AM? Mindboggling. Alli's best position is at CM. Just ask the manager who knows him alot better than Poch.

Yet another mark in the cons on the pro/con poch chart. Very con heavy chart, that.

Agree about the CM bit, reckon Poch is using him there for the moment though to just get him up to speed with the prem. Can take the CM role when he's a little more experienced, like Modric did

 

[idontgetit]

Don't get the sudden Lamela love in based off of that sub appearance. Sunderland were tired and gave him a lot of space so while he was very good it doesn't justify how poor he's been this season. And that's coming from someone who's spent hours and hours on the site defending him and bigging him up. Got a lot to prove before he's a shoe in at no.10 position

 

[0-Tibsy-0]

Lamela has created more chances per 90 min than any player in Europe's top 5 leagues... Fact

Really..?

Or are you taking the piss?

 

[UpTownSpur]

Don't get the sudden Lamela love in based off of that sub appearance. Sunderland were tired and gave him a lot of space so while he was very good it doesn't justify how poor he's been this season. And that's coming from someone who's spent hours and hours on the site defending him and bigging him up. Got a lot to prove before he's a shoe in at no.10 position

I said basically the same thing on the Lamela thread, and got spammed and disliked to hell by the Lamela Taliban, who seem to have a low tolerance for anything said against Erik. I decided to delete all my posts on that thread in protest and to leave them to their Lamela love in, because that's what that entire thread has become unfortunately. Sunderland were playing at the standard of an average MLS side at the end of that game. And that is the reason why Lamela played so well. Could he do that with Crystal Palace players breathing all over him, denying him time and space, closing him down constantly? I don't think so. He'd do what he always does, have a brain freeze and give the ball away.

Lamela no 10? No. Why? We have better options, in Eriksen and Pritchard, we have players who are more technically proficient, who can shoot with either foot, can score free kicks, have quicker speed of thought, and, believe it not, they are able to perform a fricken side foot pass over a distance of ten yards, which seems to have been attributed as a unique gift of Lamela!

 

[yankspurs]

To be fair Mr Pink I'm not really picking a hole in your opinion, you tend to be one of the more consistent considered posters.

It's actually the hypocrisy of everyone now veering completely to the other extreme with the lad based on one good cameo.

You would have to admit that had you run this thread the day before the Sunderland game you would have been shot down by all and sundry. Similarly Townsend is not the joke option anymore after beating his man a couple of times.

In reality, lamela and Townsend have just reminded us all in our rush to promote and discard squad members on a pass by pass basis that almost everyone in our squad can at their best provide solid options for us over the season.

Personally, I don't think I could justify lamela taking the no10 role until he has repeated the feat with a degree of consistency. For me no. 10 belongs to eriksen

You're right that this kind of is going from one extreme to the other. But what happened on Sunday was something that took care of the main problem with our attack in Poch's tenure. We've had no pace, movement, and no attacking threat out wide that runs at the defense and causes them to have to defend the flanks. What that does is causes you to be much more compact, which limits opportunities for your creative players. It extrapolates when your fullbacks provide no attacking threat at all. Which is why it's mind boggling that Poch's preferred full backs atm are Kyle Walker and Ben Davies, 2 full backs who dont provide much of a threat at all in attack.

When Townsend and Lamela came on, it instantly the game changed. Townsend was running at the defense and causing havoc down the right. Sunderland had to begin to defend the flanks. What this did is it opened up space for our most creative player in the squad, Erik Lamela, who played as a #10, to operate. Lamela proved just how good, clever and intelligent of a player he is by creating multiple opportunities.

Now, the burning question, is Lamela a #10? My opinion is that he's an RWF who is more than capable of being a #10. He's a better RWF, which putting him there allows you to also have Eriksen in his preferred #10 role. However, for this to be effective, you need to have movement and pace from your LWF to get in behind the defense, disjointing them and stretching them giving space for Lamela and Eriksen to operate. Or you can give them space to operate by playing FB's who provide an attacking threat, like Trippier and Rose. However, you can also play Lamela in the #10 role, moving Eriksen out to LWF and playing a pacey RWF who runs at the defense and wreaks havoc down the flank, which also creates space for Lamela and Eriksen to operate. Townsend proved on Sunday that he has the ability to do just that if he puts his mind to it and doesnt get shooting happy. If that's the Townsend we're going to see this season, we are much, much better for it if he can consistently put a decent ball into the box from the flank and when he does cut inside to shoot, he scores or at least challanges the keeper.

 

[yankspurs]

Don't get the sudden Lamela love in based off of that sub appearance. Sunderland were tired and gave him a lot of space so while he was very good it doesn't justify how poor he's been this season. And that's coming from someone who's spent hours and hours on the site defending him and bigging him up. Got a lot to prove before he's a shoe in at no.10 position

And I dont get the Lamela hate based off a few poor performances. He was a decent player last season if his first real season with consistent PL minutes and was by and large, our best attacker the last 4 or 5 games of the season.

 

[Tom Pops]

Love how:

- you're totally unqualified but you have decided Ali's best position despite it (correct me if I'm wrong) being a position he hasn't played or rarely played?

I really hate this, just because we all aren't football coaches doesn't mean
our opinions on football are instantly invalid compared to Poch's.

 

[yankspurs]

Playing in league 1is very different to the Prem, perhaps he would like to get him used to the pace and physicality in a less demanding physically speaking position.

Maybe, but IMO if that is the case, it would be best for him and for the team to ease him into that role then to shoehorn him into a different role that he wont be playing in the future.

 

[Trix]

A) Karl Robinson, Alli's manager of multiple years, and the Dons academy coaches decided that.

The Southampton coaches for many years decided Bale was a LB.


How did that pan out?

I could list dozens of players that started off playing very young in one position, but then excelled in another, it is fairly common place as players grow into their adult bodies, and develop physically.

The only conclusions I can draw from your assessment on this matter, is that either A) You don't like MP so you are using this fairly minor point to just have another dig at him , or B) You just generally don't know what you are talking about.

 

[yankspurs]

Agree about the CM bit, reckon Poch is using him there for the moment though to just get him up to speed with the prem. Can take the CM role when he's a little more experienced, like Modric did

Wouldnt it be better for his development and for the team then to get him up to speed with the Prem by easing him into the team at his preferred position instead of shoehorning him into a different role than he'd be playing in the future?

 

[yankspurs]

The Southampton coaches for many years decided Bale was a LB.


How did that pan out?

I could list dozens of players that started off playing very young in one position, but then excelled in another, it is fairly common place as players grow into their adult bodies, and develop physically.

The only conclusions I can draw from your assessment on this matter, is that either A) You don't like MP so you are using this fairly minor point to just have another dig at him , or B) You just generally don't know what you are talking about.

Alli looks more like a CM now already. He has a bigger frame too. He's a player who'd be best in a CM3 or in Mason's deep lying playmaker role in the CM2. Same with Carroll. So why are we going to be putting him into a #10 role when he have Eriksen, Pritchard, Lamela and Onomah at that role. Eriksen, Pritchard and Lamela can play other AM posititions, but Onomah is a #10. All your doing by putting Alli at the #10 is stunting his development at the CM role he is currently more suited for, and that he has the frame for, and your also putting another block into Onomah's path.

I dont love Poch like many on this board do. Think he's shown in his time here that he's a poor tactician(albeit better than Tim) and that he's not a great man manager. I also feel this whole he gives the youth a chance perception has been overblown so far.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

Alli looks more like a CM now already. He has a bigger frame too. He's a player who'd be best in a CM3 or in Mason's deep lying playmaker role in the CM2. Same with Carroll. So why are we going to be putting him into a #10 role when he have Eriksen, Pritchard, Lamela and Onomah at that role. Eriksen, Pritchard and Lamela can play other AM posititions, but Onomah is a #10. All your doing by putting Alli at the #10 is stunting his development at the CM role he is currently more suited for, and that he has the frame for, and your also putting another block into Onomah's path.

Interesting - Onomah, to me, looks like a CM. But then I haven't seen much of him.

 

[Trix]

Alli looks more like a CM now already. He has a bigger frame too. He's a player who'd be best in a CM3 or in Mason's deep lying playmaker role in the CM2. Same with Carroll. So why are we going to be putting him into a #10 role when he have Eriksen, Pritchard, Lamela and Onomah at that role. Eriksen, Pritchard and Lamela can play other AM posititions, but Onomah is a #10. All your doing by putting Alli at the #10 is stunting his development at the CM role he is currently more suited for, and that he has the frame for, and your also putting another block into Onomah's path.

I dont love Poch like many on this board do. Think he's shown in his time here that he's a poor tactician(albeit better than Tim) and that he's not a great man manager. I also feel this whole he gives the youth a chance perception has been overblown so far.

May I ask how many games you have watched him play CM?

 

[Blake Griffin]

So was all the rest of his goals and assists from the left ?
If so that's even more than I thought

in the pl i think it's:

#10 - 4 goals 5 assists in 31
lw - 11 goals 7 assists in 24

 

[yankspurs]

May I ask how many games you have watched him play CM?

Admittedly, not much. But I've watched him at CM for Dons as much as I was able to after we signed him. Whenever they were on tv and he was fit, I was able to find a stream of the game.

 

[Blake Griffin]

Interesting - Onomah, to me, looks like a CM. But then I haven't seen much of him.

long term i agree, currently though he'd really struggle as a cm in poch's 4231 so for now he'll have to break through in the attacking three, it doesn't get the best out of him but he's more suited to playing there than alli who is 100% a cm.

 

[Trix]

Admittedly, not much. But I've watched him at CM for Dons as much as I was able to after we signed him. Whenever they were on tv and he was fit, I was able to find a stream of the game.

so not much at all then because league one is not shown live anywhere except the very occasional game on Sky, and the play offs which MK Dons were not involved in. On top of that he didn't always play at CM for Dons as he sometimes played further forward and wide.