Lamela

[E17yid]

Did they say Townsend looked greedy err i mean great on the right to?

What do you reckon? (Not meant ****ishly) of course they loved Andros. He "had a go" (ignoring the fact he lost the ball quite a lot or hit 3 shots into row Z)

In fact, this was exactly the point I was trying to prove. Look, I ain't no andros hater. I'm one of those dudes who just can't help loving anyone who wears the chicken badge (I know that puts me at a somewhat bias subjective position) but looking at overall performance/ contribution I can't understand these skewered views.

I just wish we had stuck with what we wee doing in the first half. Andros was tearing it up down the left and Erik got an assist down the right

 

[jezz]

What do you reckon? (Not meant ****ishly) of course they loved Andros. He "had a go" (ignoring the fact he lost the ball quite a lot or hit 3 shots into row Z)

In fact, this was exactly the point I was trying to prove. Look, I ain't no andros hater. I'm one of those dudes who just can't help loving anyone who wears the chicken badge (I know that puts me at a somewhat bias subjective position) but looking at overall performance/ contribution I can't understand these skewered views.

I just wish we had stuck with what we wee doing in the first half. Andros was tearing it up down the left and Erik got an assist down the right

First half the balance was just right, marauding winger with pace trying to get balls in to the box, other side bit of intelligence and guile.
I think AVB just wanted to see how it worked the other way in the second half.
Hopefully he learned a lot.
I imagine if Lamela had scored the header and his shot went in, fans would say he was the second coming.

 

[Blake Griffin]

Is it a coincidence that Defoe and Soldado score goals when playing with Holbty and Lamela?

i'd say playing against tin pot eastern european sides has more to do with it.

 

[jezz]

i'd say playing against tin pot eastern european sides has more to do with it.

Pity we cant seem to do the the same to the tin pot EPL sides

 

[scat1620]

Careful you may get bombarded with spam/dislike/disagree icons !

Only been here 5 minutes, made a dozen posts & almost have more negative ratings than positive (all from 1 post which was posting a picture that clearly indicated that i believed the Lamela on loan story was a steaming pile of bulls**t) Not sure that warrants the bombardment, but whatever.

This isn't a dig at you in particular, especially as you're new on SC, but there's nothing that says "I'm a whiny little bitch who deserves a Spam rating" more than a post where someone complains about ratings they've been given. IMO, that's a truism that is equally valid for newbies and grizzled veterans alike - you'll get far fewer Spam ratings if you stop moaning about other ratings that you've received.

 

[idontgetit]

Careful you may get bombarded with spam/dislike/disagree icons !

Only been here 5 minutes, made a dozen posts & almost have more negative ratings than positive (all from 1 post which was posting a picture that clearly indicated that i believed the Lamela on loan story was a steaming pile of bulls**t) Not sure that warrants the bombardment, but whatever.

You just posted it in the thread and anyone opening the thread would have taken it out of your intended context and thought you were aiming it at Lamela rather than the wankpiece article. Quote the post you're referencing in future mate. Welcome to the forum lol

Edit: You'll still get the occasional proper random hate though. Yesterday I got a load of spam ratings for posting up a vid of Dembele bossing their forward in the lead up to Holtby's goal. Nice vid, no idea why the hate. To quote the ever quotable Bricktop:

 

[idontgetit]

Some players you can just tell are going to be special with out ever really seeing them do much. One look at the way Bale linked up with Keane down the left in his first game for us, the way he just left a player with pace, you could tell he would be special. Berbatov just the way he can pick a ball out the air, when I was at school you'd see all your mates trying out the latest skill school stepover highlights but no one could control a ball in that nonchalant arrogant manner he does. You can see it with Erikson, in some of the ridiculous flicks and layoffs he's made this year. Holtby less so in the way he moves or controls the the ball but you can see it in the way he reads the game in front of him. Lamela definitely has something special like that. His control and the way he moves the ball is different to other people, it's offbeat and looks always on the edge of control. That kind of touch sucks in tackles and commits players which so far has resulted in him losing the ball a lot but when he hits form he's going to be like Jesus walking on water

This is more quick feet than what I was talking about but still it shows he's capable of being a bit special

 

[THFCSPURS19]

I'm really tired of reading about how Serie A is such an inferior league to the EPL, and how Lamela may not have the ability to adapt to the English game. Last May, Lamela was one of the best players on the pitch for Roma against a Napoli team that should've comfortably won that day. Roma won 2-1, and Lamela provided both assists. An inferior Napoli team to that one (minus Cavani/Hamsik but with Callejon and Higuain) just COMPLETELY dominated the supposedly elite Arsenal side who play with pace and precision. You don't score 15 goals and grab 4 assists in Serie A at the age of 20 unless you are an elite talent. I'm not even sure Tevez (an unquestionably elite striker in the Prem) will hit 15 goals this year playing for Juventus.

The bottom line is, Lamela needs a stretch of 10-15 consecutive games to find his feet. I'm not convinced this team will finish in the top 4 without him, Eriksen, and Soldado heavily contributing goals (I'd say we need about 25 between the three of them to really push for a top spot in the league).

I'm also glad some people are willing to openly criticize AVB for his handling of Lamela. I said from the very beginning of this thread that keeping him on the bench and uninvolved was not the way to "settle him" into the club. He has been a starter and first team choice throughout his career, and taking regular football away from him would do his confidence harm. He should've started against Newcastle, no question, and it was a major mistake from the manager (let's hope he learned from it and doesn't bench Soldado on Sunday). Other managers haven't been afraid to give new talent a run out. Martinez has given Delofeu a run of games and he's settled in and looking fantastic. Pochettino brought Osvaldo off the bench for a time, but has just recently allowed him a run of games, and the result can be seen from his sublime goal last week.

Furthermore, whether we like it or not, the money we paid the Lamela does matter (especially to the person running the club). That's a huge investment for a club with limited yearly profits, and we will not know whether we have serious concerns about the player until he's given a long stretch of games to show us his ability or lack thereof.

Best post I've seen in a while. It's like we have the same mind. This post is exactly my thoughts.

Edit- Oh, yeah, also I would like to point out the fact that Lamela scored more league goals at 20 years of age than Messi did when he was 20.

Yep, Lamela is definitely shit.

 

[hodsgod]

Best post I've seen in a while. It's like we have the same mind. This post is exactly my thoughts.

Edit- Oh, yeah, also I would like to point out the fact that Lamela scored more league goals at 20 years of age than Messi did when he was 20.

Yep, Lamela is definitely shit.

I have never seen anyone say he is shit, I have only ever said his performances have been disappointing.

The very fact this thread is 99 pages long must indicate it's not going fantastically.

 

[dontcallme]

Best post I've seen in a while. It's like we have the same mind. This post is exactly my thoughts.

Edit- Oh, yeah, also I would like to point out the fact that Lamela scored more league goals at 20 years of age than Messi did when he was 20.

Yep, Lamela is definitely shit.

I don't think anyone has said Lamela is shit or Serie A is an inferior league.

Some have said he's been poor so far and some have written him off, prematurely imo, making it in England.

Some have said Serie A is a less physical league which is why Lamela can shine there but is struggling here. Can't see any posts saying the league is shit though.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

I have never seen anyone say he is shit, I have only ever said his performances have been disappointing.

The very fact this thread is 99 pages long must indicate it's not going fantastically.

Other people not on here have definitely said it but there have been a select few who have also said it on here. Yes, some of his performances have not been the best but he hasn't been as bad as people make out. Also, what do you expect Lamela to do? The problems here are down as much to man management as they are to Lamela himself.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

I don't think anyone has said Lamela is shit or Serie A is an inferior league.

Some have said he's been poor so far and some have written him off, prematurely imo, making it in England.

Some have said Serie A is a less physical league which is why Lamela can shine there but is struggling here. Can't see any posts saying the league is shit though.

As I've said, I don't just refer to what I see here. All this about the PL being more physical is true but that hasn't stopped Mata or David Silva playing incredibly at times. If Messi played in the PL, I doubt that he would have too many problems tearing teams to shreds.

 

[idontgetit]

I have never seen anyone say he is shit, I have only ever said his performances have been disappointing.

The very fact this thread is 99 pages long must indicate it's not going fantastically.

Shows SC fucking loves an argument. Remember that epic thread where O.P deleted the article from the initial post, changed the thread to apologise and then it went on for a week covering anything from AVB's shit to how many people can SpursBear start a fight with

 

[8Gazza]

Maybe he's just not that good. Lock the thread.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

Maybe he's just not that good. Lock the thread.

 

[hodsgod]

Other people not on here have definitely said it but there have been a select few who have also said it on here. Yes, some of his performances have not been the best but he hasn't been as bad as people make out. Also, what do you expect Lamela to do? The problems here are down as much to man management as they are to Lamela himself.

He hasn't played very well in the league, and that's the issue, I do agree he has been mismanaged.

At least he and Soldado showed a glimpse of potential for their goal Thursday night. They both just have to start doing it at the weekends.

 

[jezz]

Maybe he's just not that good. Lock the thread.

Maybe hes a worldie and just needs to games to show it?
keep this thread open for a bit of humble pie later

 

[Ghost Hardware]

I'm really tired of reading about how Serie A is such an inferior league to the EPL, and how Lamela may not have the ability to adapt to the English game. Last May, Lamela was one of the best players on the pitch for Roma against a Napoli team that should've comfortably won that day. Roma won 2-1, and Lamela provided both assists. An inferior Napoli team to that one (minus Cavani/Hamsik but with Callejon and Higuain) just COMPLETELY dominated the supposedly elite Arsenal side who play with pace and precision. You don't score 15 goals and grab 4 assists in Serie A at the age of 20 unless you are an elite talent. I'm not even sure Tevez (an unquestionably elite striker in the Prem) will hit 15 goals this year playing for Juventus.

The bottom line is, Lamela needs a stretch of 10-15 consecutive games to find his feet. I'm not convinced this team will finish in the top 4 without him, Eriksen, and Soldado heavily contributing goals (I'd say we need about 25 between the three of them to really push for a top spot in the league).

I'm also glad some people are willing to openly criticize AVB for his handling of Lamela. I said from the very beginning of this thread that keeping him on the bench and uninvolved was not the way to "settle him" into the club. He has been a starter and first team choice throughout his career, and taking regular football away from him would do his confidence harm. He should've started against Newcastle, no question, and it was a major mistake from the manager (let's hope he learned from it and doesn't bench Soldado on Sunday). Other managers haven't been afraid to give new talent a run out. Martinez has given Delofeu a run of games and he's settled in and looking fantastic. Pochettino brought Osvaldo off the bench for a time, but has just recently allowed him a run of games, and the result can be seen from his sublime goal last week.

Furthermore, whether we like it or not, the money we paid the Lamela does matter (especially to the person running the club). That's a huge investment for a club with limited yearly profits, and we will not know whether we have serious concerns about the player until he's given a long stretch of games to show us his ability or lack thereof.

You sir, just won the internets.

 

[idontgetit]

From another site:

"I'm from Argentina and I'm been following Argentines in Europe since 2006.

Erik Lamela is considered by thomas vickery (south american columnist) to being the best Argentine youngster. Better than iturbe, Ocampos, and Icardi. He is believed to be the next number 10 for Argentina.

He scored 15 goals and had 5 assist last season. Sabella (Argentina's manager) didn't want to call him up to the national team, the only reason why he got a called up was because Sabella job was in question. The skill, the talent, and the potential are all there.

Argentines with big hype generally do poor in England their first season. Aguero is the expectation. The reason why Aguero did so well in his first season was because he had tevez, zabaleta, and other spanish speakers in the squad.

Tevez and Macherano were 22 years old when he joined west ham in 2006.I don't know if some of you remember but they were very poor in the first few months.

Mascherano played poorly in the three months at west ham before leaving for Liverpool where he succeed under a spanish speaking manager and spanish players.

Many people would say Tevez stay at West Ham was successful. In some way it was, he leaded west ham out of the regelation zone and scored the winning goal against man utd in Manchester in the final match day to save them from the drop. However Tevez took a long time to score his first goal for west ham. He didn't score a goal for west ham until March. He finished the season with 7 goals.

With that said, some columnist in Argentina believe that Erik Lamela will surpass Tevez in terms of being a great player. And saying he is the best player river produced in a long time.

Erik Lamela main position, the position he grew up playing was playing in the attacking midfield role. Even though he played on the wing at Roma, it's still new to him to play on the wing. At Roma he was being breed to take Totti's role after Totti's retirement. They wanted him learn to play on the wing. I think Roma (?) got a new president or director(?) and decided to cash Lamela in, because they always want to turn a profit. (I'm not too sure but I remember reading that the American owners want to make a profit every year)

Lamela transferred to England, a nation in which most Argentines grew up having a great distaste for. (Football Rivarly and Falklands.) According to the Argentina media, he wanted the move because it was the next step in his career to move to what he thinks is a bigger club. When he got there he was overwhelmed with the pressure in replacing the 100 million pound man. He really did experience culture shock. Culture shock is more than feeling out of place. You can feel depressed and experience other mental issues such as anxiety. The reason why he got it so bad was the pressure of replacing bale and having really no one in the squad who speaks spanish besides the 29 year old soldado who is also new.

People will say Erik Lamela needs time to adjust to the pace of the premier league and I truly believe that isn't the case. Erik Lamela confidence is so shaky right now. It's all a confidence issue. He feels alone not only in London but with his teammates. Put yourself in his shoes, think about being 21 years old Englishmen and going to Argentina to replace Tevez or Maradona at Boca Jr's and having no other player speak english besides and older teammate who is also new. His family joined him in London which shows how bad he is in terms of his confidence and loneliness. He's learning English in order to fit in the team better. (Something Tevez never did). If tottenham looking for a new player in January, they should look into a spanish speaker around the same age as Lamela.

I've seen the last few games that Lamela played and he is playing like a shadow of himself. It seems like he trying too hard, and trying to do too much which is making him play even worse. When Lamela has the ball, it seems like he doesn't have a quarter of the confidence he had at Roma. Even off the field he seems upset and lonely. I remember seeing him walk into Manchester Citys' stadium and looked so shy, lonely and uncomfortable. He had his head down and just looked very timid. He looked like he was the new kid at school during lunch time. (It's on youtube, Under man city tottenham tunnel). This is coming from a guy who had the confidence to do the hand heart celebration after a goal.

He desperately wants to score a goal to show he isn't a bust, which leads to him drifting too far up and getting caught on the counter. When he played for Argentina against Bosnia last month he "whiffed" on a sitter and looked absolutely devastated. He is going through a rut, right now. Goals aren't really a big part of his game. He is usually more about creative dribble type of player than a goalscorer. He just wants to score to regain confidence.

Basically, he only played 6 premier league matches, only had 6 shots in the premier league this season and already have a couple of assist. There is no need to worry about him being a flop. He will be a great player for Tottenham and just last year, Roma fans and the Italian media said he could be as good if not better than Totti. He could very well be the next Totti but for Tottenham. It's going to take time.

Anyway, I just wanted to show you what is going on in his head. A quick way to help him out of his rut and rebuild his confidence, is to scream his name in White Hart Lane when he plays and show him lots of love and backing.

TLR Give Lamela more time, his struggles aren't really a thing to worry about. Argentines with hype generally take a lot longer time to adjust in the Premier League. Carlos Tevez didn't score a goal until March in his first season in England"

 

[mill]

Loads of players take time to settle, always have always will. The above post shows why loaning him to anyone, abroad or in England is a bad idea, he needs to integrate with his teammates, to feel part of the group, not sent off to ingegrate with another new set of teammates