Lamela

[DEFchenkOE]

One goal and one assist for Azza, absolutely brilliant! Let's see if he can beat Walcott's goal tally of 4 that he got in two games before the season's up.

Yes he helps out defensively but imo we need more, if he played every game to his maximum capability then fair enough but he doesn't. Lamela hasn't proved himself here but at least in a league which is known for being defensive he has proved that he can score and create on a regular basis.

I'd sooner have Lamela in the team and given a run to find out if he can replicate that form here, I'm certain that if he can then he would be of more benefit than Lennon.

I'm happy for Lennon to be an impact sub as his pace on the counter can be very effective late on, I just don't like him being plan A when we have someone technically better in our squad.

 

[raf18]

I thought Lennon was good first half against City, I agree with the sentiment, but Lennon may have had poor form but he's a proven, senior player who has been with us 9 years so we know it's just form. Lamela has been given a few opportunities and not done it yet. There's work to be done with him.

The frustration for me is that we know Lennon, even on top form, is just going to chip in with a couple of assists. 442 makes better use of him though than 433.

 

[Kendall]

The frustration for me is that we know Lennon, even on top form, is just going to chip in with a couple of assists. 442 makes better use of him though than 433.

I disagree that that is all you're getting. His defensive work rate an absolute asset. Walker hasn't looked anything like as shakey since Lennon came back into the side.

 

[nferno]

It's hard to be patient when he's not playing and could be getting used to the league which is very different to Serie A. That's why fans like us are upset.

 

[dudu]

I disagree that that is all you're getting. His defensive work rate an absolute asset. Walker hasn't looked anything like as shakey since Lennon came back into the side.

That also has a lot to do with his instructions i believe. He is not getting as far up the pitch as often as he was under AVB

 

[dudu]

One goal and one assist for Azza, absolutely brilliant! Let's see if he can beat Walcott's goal tally of 4 that he got in two games before the season's up.

Yes he helps out defensively but imo we need more, if he played every game to his maximum capability then fair enough but he doesn't. Lamela hasn't proved himself here but at least in a league which is known for being defensive he has proved that he can score and create on a regular basis.

I'd sooner have Lamela in the team and given a run to find out if he can replicate that form here, I'm certain that if he can then he would be of more benefit than Lennon.

I'm happy for Lennon to be an impact sub as his pace on the counter can be very effective late on, I just don't like him being plan A when we have someone technically better in our squad.

Lamela's best showings so far this season bar Sheriff have been coming on as an impact sub too.

i wrote this in another thread but it seems more relevant here.

Tim Sherwood actually started him vs Southampton - he had, probably by his own standards a poor game, sohe was dropped

He was then given two substitute 15-20 appearances to show his worth and did more in each of those 15 mins than he did during the 70 odd mins he was on vs southampton.

I am sure, had he not been injured, his integration will continue but as it stands, he is injured and Lennon is actually helping win us games right now.....

Just because he is technically better it doesnt mean he has a right to be in the team over someone who has hit form...... Lennon will dip or get injured at some point and its up to Lamela to be ready to come in and set the world alight in a system that should allow him to express himself. Its up to him to prove his worth not up to others to stand aside and just allow him to play because he is technically a great player.

Give him and the management time...... the guys running the show know a huge amount about the development of young talent and how to nurture it so i have faith in that.

Imagine Lamela coming in for a game on the back of a winning streak when all round confidence is high and the pressure is off a little. I think that would be the best thing for him!

 

[scat1620]

Other than reading about his pre-Spurs career and watching clips on Youtube, I don't really know much about Lamela. However, I take the view that even our perennial "we can manage to fuck things up in a way you can't even imagine" football club simply couldn't have spent £30m on a player who we didn't think was going to turn out to be a very fine footballer indeed. Even we couldn't manage that. Therefore, I believe that we have a potentially excellent player waiting to develop in Lamela... and I don't believe that development is best served by his sitting on the bench. If he needs time to play himself into form and that comes at the cost of a few points this season, then so be it. Short term pain for massive long term gain IMO.

 

[kaz Hirai]

I'm baffled by the current obsession with Erik Lamela. Like everyone else I want to see him succeed but there are so many fans, especially on here, crying out for him to start every week, when so far he has only really shown once what he can really do and that was against FC Sheriff.

Yes, sure, he needs to start more games to get confidence up and get some consistency into his game but there is plenty of time for that to happen. He's been at the club 6 months. Just because he cost 30 million and hasn't set the world alight yet, doesn't mean that he will dissolve into a puddle of crap should we take too long to start playing him regularly.

For some reason, whether it be in the media or amongst our own supporters, there is this mad panic to see a player instantly hit the ground running and become a superstar overnight. Where has this impatience come from? The reality is that it should be considered something of a luxury for a player of Lamela's age and experience to just be dropped into a new country and instantly perform, regardless of price tag or hype surrounding the player. We all remember how Gareth Bale's career began at Spurs.

Quite honestly, I don't expect or think we need to see a great deal more from Erik this season. Would I like to see more? Absolutely, but as Sherwood has said, until he really KNOWS what Lamela can do and what his best position is for us then there's no point in trying to force the situation.

The boy is on a long term contract so personally I'm gonna wait until next season before I start getting concerned about what he can offer us or whether he's going to be another David Bentley.

More to the point as well, Aaron Lennon has been absolutely brilliant since he got back to fitness and so quite honestly, anyone thinking he should not be starting right now is, in my opinion, bonkers.

might be more that people are worried he'll become disillusioned and want to leave ASAP with it being a world cup year

 

[Kendall]

might be more that people are worried he'll become disillusioned and want to leave ASAP with it being a world cup year

Well I wouldn't worry about that. Sunk cost to Levy = 30m, contract = 5 years.

Absolutely zero chance of him going anywhere.

 

[E17yid]

Other than reading about his pre-Spurs career and watching clips on Youtube, I don't really know much about Lamela. However, I take the view that even our perennial "we can manage to fuck things up in a way you can't even imagine" football club simply couldn't have spent £30m on a player who we didn't think was going to turn out to be a very fine footballer indeed. Even we couldn't manage that. Therefore, I believe that we have a potentially excellent player waiting to develop in Lamela... and I don't believe that development is best served by his sitting on the bench. If he needs time to play himself into form and that comes at the cost of a few points this season, then so be it. Short term pain for massive long term gain IMO.

I do agree with everything you say, the problem is that Timothy is on a short term contract (we all know it's 5 months not 18 if he doesn't get CL) so TS is obvioulsy goiing to be looking at short term gains over long term ones unfortunately. It's like Darwin and that, Self preservation innit blud.

 

[ginola99]

Erik was never going to be an instant hit, it was only his price tag that made people think he would be.

Taking into consideration his:

- Age
- Lack of English
- Experience
- Moving to a new country
- Having only one other Spanish speaking player (of whom is new to the country and club himself)

I saw this to be more of a long term investment. Scoring 15 goals in an Italian season at the age of 20/21 is no mean feat but even when he signed I felt the idea that he would slip in and start dazzling straight away was pretty foolish IMHO due to the off the pitch matters in the above.

The technique and ability is there, his control with feet or chest is seen through nice little touches, his vision and execution is impressive whilst bearing potential to be even better and his finishing is good with the potential to be very clinical in front of goal. When I went to the Lane for our game against Hull in the League cup there seemed to a lack of confidence and possibly loneliness within Erik, there was hardly any communication between him and Walker - which is no surprise due to the lack of English - whilst also seemingly not wanting to be there. I didn't put this down to lack of trying but more a lack of happiness in his game and the struggle of settling into a new country and club.

I don't think he has to play every game but he does need more playing time, above all else, he needs patience.

 

[Spurger King]

It's hard to be patient when he's not playing and could be getting used to the league which is very different to Serie A. That's why fans like us are upset.

Sums it up for me.

 

[Francis Gibbs]

Well I wouldn't worry about that. Sunk cost to Levy = 30m, contract = 5 years.

Absolutely zero chance of him going anywhere.

not on loan unless with a view to a permanent which allows Levy to recoup all or most of the investment

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

The problem Lamela has got is with the golden boy Townsend coming back from injury that effectively demotes him further down the pecking order.

 

[kaz Hirai]

Well I wouldn't worry about that. Sunk cost to Levy = 30m, contract = 5 years.

Absolutely zero chance of him going anywhere.

never underestimate the stupidity of Tottenham Hotspur

 

[Yidiot]

it's like getting a shiny new toy, only mum won't let you play with it cos it's not got the right batteries. and she's refusing to go out to the shop and get some for you. and she keeps making you play with these old shitty toys you used to think were quite good but you don't really like anymore.
go on mum, go get me 4 double A's for my new erik.

 

[JerryGarcia]

it's like getting a shiny new toy, only mum won't let you play with it cos it's not got the right batteries. and she's refusing to go out to the shop and get some for you. and she keeps making you play with these old shitty toys you used to think were quite good but you don't really like anymore.
go on mum, go get me 4 double A's for my new erik.

Let it out mate, it's ok.

 

[Lufti]

I'm baffled by the current obsession with Erik Lamela. Like everyone else I want to see him succeed but there are so many fans, especially on here, crying out for him to start every week, when so far he has only really shown once what he can really do and that was against FC Sheriff.

Yes, sure, he needs to start more games to get confidence up and get some consistency into his game but there is plenty of time for that to happen. He's been at the club 6 months. Just because he cost 30 million and hasn't set the world alight yet, doesn't mean that he will dissolve into a puddle of crap should we take too long to start playing him regularly.

For some reason, whether it be in the media or amongst our own supporters, there is this mad panic to see a player instantly hit the ground running and become a superstar overnight. Where has this impatience come from? The reality is that it should be considered something of a luxury for a player of Lamela's age and experience to just be dropped into a new country and instantly perform, regardless of price tag or hype surrounding the player. We all remember how Gareth Bale's career began at Spurs.

Quite honestly, I don't expect or think we need to see a great deal more from Erik this season. Would I like to see more? Absolutely, but as Sherwood has said, until he really KNOWS what Lamela can do and what his best position is for us then there's no point in trying to force the situation.

The boy is on a long term contract so personally I'm gonna wait until next season before I start getting concerned about what he can offer us or whether he's going to be another David Bentley.

More to the point as well, Aaron Lennon has been absolutely brilliant since he got back to fitness and so quite honestly, anyone thinking he should not be starting right now is, in my opinion, bonkers.

It would have been a decent post but the bit in bold just undermined the whole thing.

 

[SpurSince57]

The problem Lamela has got is with the golden boy Townsend coming back from injury that effectively demotes him further down the pecking order.

And really, if Lamela hasn't had much of a chance as yet it's because Villas-Boas favoured Townsend and the so-far highly underwhelming Chadli.

 

[Lufti]

It would have been a decent post but the bit in bold just undermined the whole thing.

You can disagree @markdadude but anyone who ends a post with something along the lines of 'and if you think differently then you're bonkers' is undermining themself.

And quite frankly, if you don't agree with that, then you're bonkers.