Let Fans In

[Lilbaz]

This was last night in London for Wenger's book tour (not sure?) but whoa. Packed ? How come this is fine and not for stadiums with a sensible plan?

Are we sure it's legit? Checked and the palladium have cancelled or rescheduled their next couple of shows. No mention of this.

 

[carmeldevil]

Are we sure it's legit? Checked and the palladium have cancelled or rescheduled their next couple of shows. No mention of this.

Saw bunch of twitter and here's a link:

An Evening with Arsène Wenger Tickets - The London Palladium, London – Official Box Office

Book direct from The London Palladium's official box office for the best choice of seats at the best price to An Evening with Arsène Wenger.

lwtheatres.co.uk

another one

Theatre safety in the spotlight at London Palladium

Photos posted online from the London Palladium spark questions about social distancing guidelines.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Lilbaz]

Saw bunch of twitter and here's a link:

An Evening with Arsène Wenger Tickets - The London Palladium, London – Official Box Office

Book direct from The London Palladium's official box office for the best choice of seats at the best price to An Evening with Arsène Wenger.

lwtheatres.co.uk

another one

Theatre safety in the spotlight at London Palladium

Photos posted online from the London Palladium spark questions about social distancing guidelines.

www.bbc.co.uk

Cheers, that is bollocks.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

No way should any tickets go anywhere but season ticket holders if and when there’s any amount of fans back in if it’s at a reduced capacity, those are the people who have already committed money to the club in blind faith despite no seeming light at the end of this tunnel.

 

[Tiberius Gracchus]

No way should any tickets go anywhere but season ticket holders if and when there’s any amount of fans back in if it’s at a reduced capacity, those are the people who have already committed money to the club I’m blind faith despite no seeming light at the end of this tunnel.

Offer a ballot to season ticket holders and if there's still capacity, open it up to members. Not sure if that's possible but seems the fairest way of doing it

 

[whitesocks]

I think this has all become a bit academic now - the covid cases are rising significantly in South Tottenham and Stamford Hill, and if fans had been let in to our stadium during the eye of the storm, they'd certainly have to be reviewing that decision this week. It is getting a bit scary again.

 

[Trotter]

Whilst I won’t respond on whether I think fans should be let back in or not. Logistically it depends on the guidelines set, i.e Capacity levels, number of seats distance Etc which would be impossible to make this work keeping our season ticket holders seat that they’ve been allocated.

For example, if we have to keep a 5 seat distance between fans, would reduce the capacity to 12,460, 3 seat distance 20,767 etc we would calculate % of season tickets versus total home capacity seats in order to equate what number tickets to be allocated per game.

20,767 - 1000 (Away Fans) = 19,767
40,000 (Season Ticket holders Approx.) % of 59,303 (Total Home Capacity) = 67.45%.
67.45% of 19,767 = 13,332

So every home game, a ballot is done to allocate 13,332 seats to season ticket holders, game by game excluding previous ballot winners until all season ticket holders numbers have been allocated. The remaining 6,435 match day seats, a % are released a day before general sale for One Hotspur+ members, with remainder on sale day later for general. These seats will be shown as singular seats within the social distance guideline.

Not included Corporate numbers etc , but you can work that with same principle. For me, this is the only fair way to get the correct percentage proportion between season ticket holders and remaining available seats for match day sale.

One massive mistake in your calculations.
If you have to leave 3 seats, you also have to leave at least 2 maybe 3 rows, so 1/6th capacity, about 10k, maybe 1/9th for 7k

If you have to leave 5 seats, you also have to leave at least 3 and maybe up to 5 rows, so 1/15th capacity, about 4k.

 

[Beni]

One massive mistake in your calculations.
If you have to leave 3 seats, you also have to leave at least 2 maybe 3 rows, so 1/6th capacity, about 10k, maybe 1/9th for 7k

If you have to leave 5 seats, you also have to leave at least 3 and maybe up to 5 rows, so 1/15th capacity, about 4k.

Or Stagger the next row - Row1 - Seats 1, 4, 7, 10 / Row 2- Seats 3, 6, 9 or Row 1 - 1, 5, 10, 15 / Row 2 3, 8, 15, 18 etc
Depends how strict the restrictions are I suppose. But Yes, if we needed to leave out a row, it would reduce the capacity further.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Offer a ballot to season ticket holders and if there's still capacity, open it up to members. Not sure if that's possible but seems the fairest way of doing it

As I understand it, the ballot will be mandatory to all season ticket holders with each ST only allowed to withdraw from it for two class A, two class B and two class C matches per season, which has to be done before the ballot. So unless there’sa game where there’s mass withdrawals ahead of the ballot, every matches allocation will be ‘sold out’ to season ticket holders. It also means that for Covid tracking reasons the club will have an exact record of who is at every match. As such, I can’t see a circumstance where non STs get go until full allocations are permitted.

 

[Trotter]

As I understand it, the ballot will be mandatory to all season ticket holders with each ST only allowed to withdraw from it for two class A, two class B and two class C matches per season, which has to be done before the ballot. So unless there’sa game where there’s mass withdrawals ahead of the ballot, every matches allocation will be ‘sold out’ to season ticket holders. It also means that for Covid tracking reasons the club will have an exact record of who is at every match. As such, I can’t see a circumstance where non STs get go until full allocations are permitted.

Totally agree with you, however we all know that at our club it will be corporates that will take up our allocation, until such time as allocation is greater than our corporate ticket holders, under the excuse that the club can control their movement better

 

[NickHSpurs]

Cheers, that is bollocks.

Mentioned this a few pages back, it’s been quietly happening for a few weeks for some theatres and quite a few shows now opening back up for Oct and Nov. Genuinely believe it hasn’t been shouted about because it’s yet another contradiction.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Totally agree with you, however we all know that at our club it will be corporates that will take up our allocation, until such time as allocation is greater than our corporate ticket holders.

I’m not so sure, purely for practical reasons. The corporate would only be given priority on the basis that they pay more if they win the ballot, but then you have the issue of justifying charging them, say, £200 for their ticket (or whatever it is) instead of the £50ish mine would cost in line with the north goal line in west upper. That means that for their money they’d have to get the same level of service they’d get in normal times, I.e. fine dining/ catering, option to be outdoors or behind glass, etc etc. That therefore means that the club would need to keep them in their usual locations, which means that you’d almost have to treat their usual locations as saturated from the rest of the stadium, I.e. do one ballot at whatever amount is achievable socially distanced for them, and another ballot for whatever amount is achievable socially distanced for us.

I think the club has roughly 10,000 corporates, yes? I don’t think the club, if it has 20,000 tickets, will be able to say ‘ok, 10,000 to the corporate and 10,000’ between the other 40,000 season ticket holders’, because then the corporate season ticket holders who has paid 4 x as much as me for his deposit will say ‘hang on, I didn’t pay to be with the riff raff, charge me the same that you charge hima’. Then, if the club are only going to make from him what they’d make from me, why on earth would he get priority?

Maybe I’m being naïve, but I think that it’s more likely that the corporate will be kept in the corporate area at whatever capacity social distancing allows, and the rest of us in the normal seats on the same premise.

 

[Grey Fox]

Don't know why you are all doing calculations about how many will be let in because with escalating spread across the world there won't be any fans allowed in until a vaccine is up and running.
I wouldn't be even suprised if the season gets cancelled at some point. The NFL are already considering cancelling their season and that's USA who don't seem to give a fuck.
It would be the definition of Spursy to either win the league with no fans or have it cancelled when we are in a great position to win it.

 

[Wick3d]

Don't know why you are all doing calculations about how many will be let in because with escalating spread across the world there won't be any fans allowed in until a vaccine is up and running.
I wouldn't be even suprised if the season gets cancelled at some point. The NFL are already considering cancelling their season and that's USA who don't seem to give a fuck.
It would be the definition of Spursy to either win the league with no fans or have it cancelled when we are in a great position to win it.

I do not think it will be cancelled; they will just enact a stricter bubble for players. Cancellation will only occur if government tells them to.

 

[Grey Fox]

I do not think it will be cancelled; they will just enact a stricter bubble for players. Cancellation will only occur if government tells them to.

A number of players across Europe have been tested positive, despite the bubbles and with CL, Europa and internationals it will get worse in my opinion. People can't expect players and club staff to go into months of a bubble like the cricketers did for a few weeks

 

[spursfan77]

I've had an email from the club to supply my photo ID for my season ticket. Haven't done it yet as there appears to be no deadline on doing so unless i missed it. Anyone else had this or sent it in?

 

[BringBack_leGin]

I've had an email from the club to supply my photo ID for my season ticket. Haven't done it yet as there appears to be no deadline on doing so unless i missed it. Anyone else had this or sent it in?

Yeah I did mine weeks back and did dads for him too, doesn’t appear to be a deadline but it’s one of those things I reckon just get it out of the way so you’re not scrambling later.

 

[brasil_spur]

So you can stand in a crowd on a train going to work or queing to the supermarket but you can't stand outside watching a game of football - its a nonsense

If they reported persons lost years and not deaths is a meaningful stat -

Those two things are very different. Work is a necessity both for yourself and those that financially depend on you, but also in many cases for those that depend on the company you work for.

Watching live football in a stadium is not a necessity, this is a very silly argument.

 

[Lilbaz]

A number of players across Europe have been tested positive, despite the bubbles and with CL, Europa and internationals it will get worse in my opinion. People can't expect players and club staff to go into months of a bubble like the cricketers did for a few weeks

They're not in bubbles. At least not at spurs. I think we do the instant tests every morning they turn up at training. They may be told to be careful which is fine. This can damage lungs and ruin a carer. They'd be idiots not to.

 

[PCozzie]

No way should any tickets go anywhere but season ticket holders if and when there’s any amount of fans back in if it’s at a reduced capacity, those are the people who have already committed money to the club in blind faith despite no seeming light at the end of this tunnel.

I think this is fair. As a OH member I'd love to get a ticket as soon as possible after re-opening, but surely those who have seriously committed financially should get first dibs. However, given the rhetoric of the past few days it is hard to see how stadiums will open to fans this side of Christmas at the very least.