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Arazi440

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http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/sport/942415/DEFOE-CAN-BE-A-REAL-CHAMP-IAN.html

JERMAIN DEFOE can go one step beyond Ian Wright.

The question is: will he be able to change himself from almost a great striker to a great striker?
People who say Defoe has not lived up to his billing as the next Ian Wright are being unfair. With 15 goals for England, he already has more than Wrighty managed at international level.
And Defoe has scored enough as a whole to be considered on the same level as Wrighty.
They are in many ways similar sorts of players. Wrighty was more of a natural poacher, with his movement in the box. But they can both suddenly get the ball outside the penalty area, beat a couple of players and score a terrific goal - something I never did. There is not a lot between them but it's not too late for Defoe to go to the next level.
Defoe has had his moments, like against Bulgaria. The goals have come consistently but not in vast numbers.
If I were to be brutally honest, Defoe is probably just a fraction short of top class.
The Arsenals, Man Utds, Chelseas, Liverpools have never really been chasing him. If I were Defoe now, I would be looking to establish myself as a proper scorer.
Someone who is up there with Didier Drogba and Wayne Rooney every year, challenging for that Golden Boot over the next couple of seasons. That would catapult him from almost a great striker to a great striker.
He can do that if he has the drive and ambition.
Defoe's movement in the box has improved quite a bit over the last couple of seasons.
I never used to see those little darty runs. He had been working quite a bit with Wrighty, I gather, and it seems to have made an impact on him. It's taken him from a player that you would think was not quite international standard to one who looks pretty comfortable at that level now.
Defoe is a natural goalscorer. Against opposition like Bulgaria, at home, he's going to be pretty lethal.
But the questions now are: "Can he do it against the best teams consistently in the big competitions?" and "Can he do it away from home?"
The man who made it all tick against Bulgaria was Rooney.
It makes it so much easier as a striker if you've got someone playing in the hole that's on the top of his game, running the show, pulling the strings.
We all know Rooney can play that position. He's brilliant at it.
It's nice that we've got the real Rooney back. And give Fabio Capello a pat on the back.
He's obviously stubborn and doesn't want to go down the route most of us would like to see, with Steven Gerrard behind Rooney.
The thing is when England are at home against inferior opposition, whatever the system, as long as the players are fresh, you win comfortably anyway.
But Capello needs to start preparing a system that is good enough to take on the very best in the European Championships. Dropping Rooney in deeper sort of fills up the midfield, but we're still predictable in the line of four. You see players like James Milner and Theo Walcott get plenty of the ball with their clubs. They got little against Bulgaria because it's really easy to mark them in that system.
If you play an extra man in midfield and allow Gerrard to float all over the place, it gives teams more problems and there's more flexibility, less predictability.
I'm not critical of the performance against Bulgaria. England did as well as you could do in a game like that.
But, as in the World Cup, you could sense that as soon as we played anyone good we would probably be found wanting.
Gerrard in a two-man midfield? He's not disciplined enough to play in that way and he has so many strengths in other areas, it seems a bit of a waste.
I don't change that view just because of one decent victory against a pretty abject Bulgaria.
But Capello has his opinions. He likes 4-4-2 and I imagine he's going to stick with it.
Only time will prove him right or wrong.


summed up nicely I thought.
 

THFC6061

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Jermain Defoe has a fantastic goalscoring record for England.

His 15 goals have come from just 1,677 minutes on the pitch - an average of a goal for every 112 minutes played.

Meanwhile, 'world class' Wayner Rooney's 25 England goals have come from 4,748 minutes playing time - an average of a goal for every 190 minutes played.

Go figure!
 

nidge

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Jermain Defoe has a fantastic goalscoring record for England.

His 15 goals have come from just 1,677 minutes on the pitch - an average of a goal for every 112 minutes played.

Meanwhile, 'world class' Wayner Rooney's 25 England goals have come from 4,748 minutes playing time - an average of a goal for every 190 minutes played.

Go figure!

Not saying you are wrong but when quoting figures like that it would be nice to know where you sourced that info. :up:
 

Pringle

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Jermain Defoe has a fantastic goalscoring record for England.

His 15 goals have come from just 1,677 minutes on the pitch - an average of a goal for every 112 minutes played.

Meanwhile, 'world class' Wayner Rooney's 25 England goals have come from 4,748 minutes playing time - an average of a goal for every 190 minutes played.

Go figure!

Fortunately, people know that there is much more than goals to a striker otherwise Darren Bent would be a top top striker which we all know he isnt.
 

StartingPrice

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I think he's right.
Fortunately, JD is 'just coming into his best years' - so he may be able to step up that extra bit.
 

whitelightwhiteheat

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We'd be ok if we had an Andy Cole or an Ian Wright, hey?

The depth of striker quality was far greater in that period of time (mid-to-late 90's) than now.

Players like Les Ferdinand, Andy Cole, Ian Wright, Robbie Fowler couldn't get a look in on a regular basis. They'd all walk into the team now, probably.
 

chinbo99

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The man who made it all tick against Bulgaria was Rooney.
It makes it so much easier as a striker if you've got someone playing in the hole that's on the top of his game, running the show, pulling the strings.

He's right, Rooney did play a big part in Defoe's goals, though Defoe's excellent movement also contributed a fair bit.

From what I know of VDV, I think he could play the "Rooney" role this year for us, meaning Jermain could have a field day. He may prove the rest of his doubters wrong and make us wonder why we were so desperate for a replacement striker this summer.

Here's hoping... :beer:
 

Dan Ashcroft

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He's right, Rooney did play a big part in Defoe's goals, though Defoe's excellent movement also contributed a fair bit.

From what I know of VDV, I think he could play the "Rooney" role this year for us, meaning Jermain could have a field day. He may prove the rest of his doubters wrong and make us wonder why we were so desperate for a replacement striker this summer.

Here's hoping... :beer:

But Rooney's got the arieal ability to play as a #9 alongside a poacher. van der Vaart is a pure #10. I really don't think VdV-Defoe would work as a partnership.
 

chinbo99

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But Rooney's got the arieal ability to play as a #9 alongside a poacher. van der Vaart is a pure #10. I really don't think VdV-Defoe would work as a partnership.

True, but I don't really feel any of our strikers have what you could call "Aerial ability", and I include crouch in that; for a big guy he's actually pretty poor in the air.

The point I was trying to make was that England just won playing with a front pairing that we could now imitate, with VDV dropped slightely deeper as the attacking mid / number 10, and to be fair, that was the role Rooney played the other night. Sure he can play further forward as a #9, but didn't the other night, and defoe reeped the benefits. And all Englands best play was on the ground, which would fit into the way we are trying to play anyway, and in fact would have to play with Defoe up front on his own.
 

NEVILLEB

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He's not as good as Ian Wright

I'm sure Wright's premiership record was better.

Defoe has short purple patches followed by average periods
 

C0YS

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He's not as good as Ian Wright

I'm sure Wright's premiership record was better.

Defoe has short purple patches followed by average periods

At the same age as Defoe Wright's top flight record was

62 games 28 goals

Defoe's top flight record in the equivalent age period is

63 games 29 goals

pretty close record wont you say? In the same time period defoe also has a better tally in the cups.

Wright did amazing things at arsenal, his full Arsenal season came what in the equivalent time scale would be Defoe's next season. Wright was a late bloomer. Defoe will probably never replicate the success of Wright. But lets judge that at the end of his carrier. What is certain is Defoe is already ahead of Wright when it comes to the international pedigree. Lets judge this when it is over
 

punky

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That article is spot on.

Defoe isn't short on ability to become world class, just short on service and opportunity. Really all he needs is a couple of injury-free seasons with good support to really put himself up a class.

He started at Wet Spam and showed his talent and reached a peak. He came to us and then had varying seasons with mixed service until Berbatov came who formed something magical with Keane. Their whole was greater than the sum of their parts. Then went to Portsmouth for good money and to reunite with his boss but he was head and shoulders above the midfield. Came back to us, started with a flyer last season but then had and injury and sadly not the same since.
 

Dan Ashcroft

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We won't need aerial ability if the ball is passed to feet.

Having a #9 who can hold the ball up is crucial to your defensive game, probably even more than your attacking game. Otherwise every clearance comes straight back at you and you end up under exponentially more pressure.
 

NEVILLEB

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At the same age as Defoe Wright's top flight record was

62 games 28 goals

Defoe's top flight record in the equivalent age period is

63 games 29 goals

pretty close record wont you say? In the same time period defoe also has a better tally in the cups.

Wright did amazing things at arsenal, his full Arsenal season came what in the equivalent time scale would be Defoe's next season. Wright was a late bloomer. Defoe will probably never replicate the success of Wright. But lets judge that at the end of his carrier. What is certain is Defoe is already ahead of Wright when it comes to the international pedigree. Lets judge this when it is over

At what age???? Why have you picked out 63 games?

Ian Wright scored 305 goals in 596 games = 0.51 goals per game

Defoe has scored 169 goals in 400 games = 0.42 goals per game

Wright scored over 20 goals a season 8 times...Defoe has only done it 2 times

Defoe is good but Wright was a class above him...seems like Lineker is having a dig at Wright in his article

If Defoe can stay consistent then we'd have the real deal
 

C0YS

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At what age???? Why have you picked out 63 games?

Ian Wright scored 305 goals in 596 games = 0.51 goals per game

Defoe has scored 169 goals in 400 games = 0.42 goals per game

Wright scored over 20 goals a season 8 times...Defoe has only done it 2 times

Defoe is good but Wright was a class above him...seems like Lineker is having a dig at Wright in his article

If Defoe can stay consistent then we'd have the real deal

sorry, you have completely misread my post. But I didn't make myself very clear. Ian Wright was 25 when he made his top flight debut. So I compared Ian wrights record from his two and a bit seasons till he reached the same age in his carrier as Defoe is now. The records demonstrate at Defoe's age Ian Wright had not yet become the striker which is famed for his great record at Arsenal.

On the Defoe point I'd agree. Defoe is not even close to Ian Wright's top flight ability. Although like Lineker mentions Wright internationally never began to demenstrate his ability, for whatever reasons, and Defoe has already achieved more in that compartment, even if he goes on an england goal draught for the rest of his carrier.
 

NEVILLEB

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sorry, you have completely misread my post. But I didn't make myself very clear. Ian Wright was 25 when he made his top flight debut. So I compared Ian wrights record from his two and a bit seasons till he reached the same age in his carrier as Defoe is now. The records demonstrate at Defoe's age Ian Wright had not yet become the striker which is famed for his great record at Arsenal.

On the Defoe point I'd agree. Defoe is not even close to Ian Wright's top flight ability. Although like Lineker mentions Wright internationally never began to demenstrate his ability, for whatever reasons, and Defoe has already achieved more in that compartment, even if he goes on an england goal draught for the rest of his carrier.

I take your point that Wright was a late developer
 
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