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Liverpool threaten breakaway from Premier League's TV rights deal

Super Tottenham

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/oct/11/liverpool-breakaway-tv-deal

The deal that shares television's billions equally between Premier League clubs is facing its biggest threat to date after Liverpool announced they would lead a challenge for overseas TV rights to be sold on a club-by-club basis.

Liverpool's managing director, Ian Ayre, has insisted the break-up of the established broadcasting deal, worth £3.2bn in total to all Premier League clubs for 2010‑13, is "a debate that has to happen", with the Anfield club in favour of the Spanish model that allows Barcelona and Real Madrid to negotiate individual contracts that dwarf their domestic and European rivals.

Since the Premier League's foundation in 1992 its success has been largely based on the principle of collective selling, where each club no matter how lowly can expect a fixed share of TV deals with "merit" awards for finishing positions as an add‑on. Changing this model would risk revolt from the smaller clubs who stand to lose most, and thus threatens the league's very structure.

At present, the Premier League sells domestic and overseas broadcasting rights collectively and more than doubled international revenue in its last negotiations, from £625m for 2007‑10 to £1.4bn for 2010‑13. With the Premier League shown in 212 countries and having 98 broadcast partners around the world, it is expected the next deal will show a similar increase, with overseas rights potentially worth more than domestic for the first time.

Ayre believes the Premier League's four biggest global draws – Liverpool, Manchester United, Chelsea and Arsenal – deserve an increased share from 2013, with overseas broadcasting having a greater influence on the Anfield club's financial future than a new stadium. "Personally I think the game-changer is going out and recognising our brand globally," said the Liverpool managing director. "Maybe the path will be individual TV rights like they do in Spain. There are so many things moving in that particular area.

"What is absolutely certain is that, with the greatest of respect to our colleagues in the Premier League, but if you're a Bolton fan in Bolton, then you subscribe to Sky because you want to watch Bolton. Everyone gets that. Likewise, if you're a Liverpool fan from Liverpool, you subscribe. But if you're in Kuala Lumpur there isn't anyone subscribing to Astro, or ESPN to watch Bolton, or if they are it's a very small number. Whereas the large majority are subscribing because they want to watch Liverpool, Manchester United, Chelsea or Arsenal.

"So is it right that the international rights are shared equally between all the clubs? Some people will say: 'Well you've got to all be in it to make it happen.' But isn't it really about where the revenue is coming from, which is the broadcaster, and isn't it really about who people want to watch on that channel? We know it is us. And others. At some point we definitely feel there has to be some rebalance on that, because what we are actually doing is disadvantaging ourselves against other big European clubs."

It would require 14 of the Premier League's 20 members to vote in favour of a new commercial arrangement. Though Sir Alex Ferguson recently described the collective deal as "fair", albeit while insisting clubs deserved more from overseas rights, and La Liga's system has attracted widespread criticism, Ayre believes the status quo jeopardises the financial might of the Premier League.

"If Real Madrid or Barcelona or other big European clubs have the opportunity to truly realise their international media value potential, where does that leave Liverpool and Manchester United? We'll just share ours because we'll all be nice to each other? The whole phenomenon of the Premier League could be threatened. If they just get bigger and bigger and they generate more and more, then all the players will start drifting that way and will the Premier League bubble burst because we are sticking to this equal-sharing model? It's a real debate that has to happen."

Liverpool insist their radical proposals are limited to overseas broadcasting, although success on that front could set a precedent domestically in the long term, and the club plans to raise the issue at the next Premier League meeting. Ayre's frank admission comes almost one year on from Fenway Sports Group acquiring the club from Tom Hicks and George Gillett in the high court and, along with broadcasting revenue, another major financial decision to be resolved by the American owners remains whether to construct a new stadium or redevelop their current home, Anfield.

Liverpool's managing director insists the club are pursuing "a parallel course" on both options, with planning regulations complicating the redevelopment of Anfield and the financial benefits of a new-build uncertain, although Ayre admits the latter option is only viable with a naming rights deal. "We have been in discussions here and in other parts of the world with a small group of people that we have narrowed down that we are targeting for naming rights. That is an absolute catalyst to building a new stadium. The economics just don't stack up without it.

"When will the decision be made? It'll only be when we reach an answer with both. It's hard to put a time on it. If you put a deadline on the naming rights, then you start to marginalise the deal. We aren't desperate. We think we have an amazing proposition as one of the biggest clubs in the world. I don't recall any football club of this size with this international reach that's ever done a naming rights deal. It is quite unique in that sense. Barcelona, Real Madrid and Manchester United haven't. Nobody in football has done this at this level. It's new ground and it will take what it takes."

Ayre, along with the former Liverpool chairman Martin Broughton, ex-chief executive Christian Purslow and Fenway Sports Group, remains the subject of a £1bn lawsuit filed by Hicks and Gillett over the events surrounding their departure last October. "It's an unwanted and unwelcome distraction. That's their prerogative but we remain extremely confident that we did the right thing," he said. The Liverpool MD offered his resignation to John W Henry following FSG's victory in the high court, and admits the five-times European champions could have entered administration had Hicks and Gillett retained control.

"Certainly the bank had the power to call in the debt and at the time there wasn't anyone ready to take on that debt. So I guess the answer to that [would Liverpool have gone into administration] is yes. It's hypothetical but based on where we were and based on the circumstances at the time that was a very real threat. That was the case in the final hours. That was one of the other routes we could have gone down."
 

tototoner

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matter of time - the top top clubs in England are not blind to how much money Barcelona and Real Madrid make through similar deals and Liverpool and Manchester United are still by far the 2 biggest brands in English football.

I wouldn't say Chelsea are bigger on the global stage than us, then again I don't travel to the US or Far East too often
 

dorsetyid

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perhaps they should try being one of Europe's biggest clubs before they try and screw over one of the few noble things about the premier league. This attitude really cements my dislike of the bin dippers
 

mattyspurs

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perhaps they should try being one of Europe's biggest clubs before they try and screw over one of the few noble things about the premier league. This attitude really cements my dislike of the bin dippers

I don't like the idea of it, as it just makes the big clubs bigger. But it was always going to come.

To try saying Liverpool are not one of Europes bigest clubs is crazy. Yes, in terms of winning things they have gone down the pecking order. But worldwide, they are just behind Manu in terms of fanbase, and on par, maybe even ahead of Real Madrid and Barcelona.
 

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I see this becoming another Kerry Packer's Circus situation.

If the Clubs do eventually break away off the back of this chase for guaranteed media income streams, how many true fans could afford to travel to Dubai every other week to watch the next round og "league" matches?
 

mike_l

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You'd think it would at least be one of the entertaining clubs that would do this, Livepool matches are so bloody drab.
 

mike_l

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Also I'd imagine that Liverpool are trying to do this whilst they are still recognised around the world as one of the PL's big 4 clubs, a couple more seasons out of the CL and maybe even EL would see foreign interest on the wane.
 

Phantom

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TV revenue has to be shared equally, it is the competivneess that makes the premier league so marketable in the first place. We do not want a la liga situation with 2 teams being so far ahead that the other clubs may as well not bother or are struggling to make ends meet.
 

Lilbaz

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I say let them. But they will not be able to show any other teams players on their channel due to dataprotection and the right to privacy. See how much people will pay to watch that.

He also brings up Madrid and Barca, but didn't they just do a new TV deal split between the clubs. Admittedly heavily in their favour but still split.
 

tobi

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Just another way to sidestep the upcoming FFP.
 

RichSpur58

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Douchebag.
Anyway, it wont belong before La Liga rules are changed. Its getting worse than the SPL.
 

kishman

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I don't like the idea of it, as it just makes the big clubs bigger. But it was always going to come.

To try saying Liverpool are not one of Europes bigest clubs is crazy. Yes, in terms of winning things they have gone down the pecking order. But worldwide, they are just behind Manu in terms of fanbase, and on par, maybe even ahead of Real Madrid and Barcelona.

Exactly. This can't happen.

Just another way to sidestep the upcoming FFP.

Very true.

Douchebag.
Anyway, it wont belong before La Liga rules are changed. Its getting worse than the SPL.

Hopefully La Liga is changed because you're right. Barca's and Real's dominance is ridiculous.
 

Super Tottenham

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They will struggle to get Barca and Real to agree, they need their huge TV deals to pay their massive wage bills.
 

RichSpur58

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Liverpool are a desperate club clinging on to past glorys. They will never be as big as they were and they know it.
 

worcestersauce

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So for all the talk of Russians and Sheikhs coming in and ruining our football in the end it falls to an American corporation to do it, I have no doubt that Ron Henry has had this in mind from the takeover, after all he doesn't give a toss about the game or the club particularly he is just in it for the money, it is just business and so bean counter mentality will rule.
Nobody is going to pay Liverpool a fortune to play one or two games a season they will only pay them a fortune to see them play 38 games and they can only do that with 19 other sides in the Premiership, it is the Premiership that people watch not Liverpool, it ain't broke so don't fix it.
The problem is not in this country it is in Spain, there it is broke and they should fix it.
As I understand it 60% of the clubs need to agree for it to change so it is dead in the water, I suppose Liverpool could go it on their own but it'd be pretty quiet wouldn't it.:)
 

mike_l

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So for all the talk of Russians and Sheikhs coming in and ruining our football in the end it falls to an American corporation to do it, I have no doubt that Ron Henry has had this in mind from the takeover, after all he doesn't give a toss about the game or the club particularly he is just in it for the money, it is just business and so bean counter mentality will rule.
Nobody is going to pay Liverpool a fortune to play one or two games a season they will only pay them a fortune to see them play 38 games and they can only do that with 19 other sides in the Premiership, it is the Premiership that people watch not Liverpool, it ain't broke so don't fix it.
The problem is not in this country it is in Spain, there it is broke and they should fix it.
As I understand it 60% of the clubs need to agree for it to change so it is dead in the water, I suppose Liverpool could go it on their own but it'd be pretty quiet wouldn't it.:)

I'd sooner pay a fortune to not see Liverpool play at all.
 

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I don't like the idea of it, as it just makes the big clubs bigger. But it was always going to come.

To try saying Liverpool are not one of Europes bigest clubs is crazy. Yes, in terms of winning things they have gone down the pecking order. But worldwide, they are just behind Manu in terms of fanbase, and on par, maybe even ahead of Real Madrid and Barcelona.


Perhaps you are blinded by your geographical location, but Liverpool are nowhere near Madrid and Barca. I travel a lot and I would say from first hand experience is that Liverpool are beneath Barca, Madrid, and miles behind Man U. I am pretty sure that they are not as popular as Chelsea and Arsenal too. The question i, would these fans actually pay to watch them?
 

nightgoat

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TV revenue has to be shared equally, it is the competivneess that makes the premier league so marketable in the first place. We do not want a la liga situation with 2 teams being so far ahead that the other clubs may as well not bother or are struggling to make ends meet.

This. That Liverpool bloke pretty much says "We don't care if other teams go bankrupt as a result of our greed, just give us as much £££ as possible"
 
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