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Man City offered a settlement by UEFA.

tiger666

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Apparently City are refusing the accept the sanctions...... Be interesting to see what happens if that is indeed the case.

The cheek of it. They knew the rules damn well. Broke them with full knowledge and now refuse to pay the consequences?
 

WalkerboyUK

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The cheek of it. They knew the rules damn well. Broke them with full knowledge and now refuse to pay the consequences?
Bear in mind this is UEFA offering an olive branch too...... I can see them being disqualified from the all European competition if they don't comply with this offer.
 

KaribYid

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So to combat teams like City and PSG spending money..... they fine them more money? That doesn't make much sense
 

JerryGarcia

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I'm assuming the 50m fine will be paid by the owner, not the club?

I would imagine so or it wouldn't make much sense. The only problem is that City's owners have just made £50m in the time it's taken me to write this post. Seems like a kind of stealth tax to me so I hope that when UEFA collect this £100m from City and PSG, they clearly show how every penny of it gets spent.
 

Ribble

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Bear in mind this is UEFA offering an olive branch too...... I can see them being disqualified from the all European competition if they don't comply with this offer.

It isn't really, this is the initial phase where UEFA offer a reduced sentence if they don't try to fight it.

I would imagine so or it wouldn't make much sense.

Why would they fine the owners? It's the club that has to comply with the rules. If the club fails to comply with FFP then the club pays the fine, and has to make up that loss in time for next season's round of checking.

Also people need to remember that this is merely the first year, FFP isn't going away and the clubs who are the largest violators aren't going to magically become compliant overnight. This season it may just be a huge fine and squad restrictions, but next season it'll be transfer bans and withholding any prize/TV money, the one after it'll be competition bans.
 

WalkerboyUK

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No point in fining the owners. One of the points of FFP is that the club has to be self-sufficient and not reliant on their sugar daddies stumping up cash for them. Therefore fining the owner would seem relatively pointless.
What it will do is put a hold on City (and PSG) trying to buy even more players at £35+ million each at least for this summer.
 

nicdic

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That is a very impressive fine.
In comparison the footballers get for misconduct, sure. Or in comparison to the ridiculous fines clubs have been given for racist behaviour, but fines are not the right penalty for teams that are breaking FFP rules, particularly clubs to whom money is no object anyway.
 

JerryGarcia

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It isn't really, this is the initial phase where UEFA offer a reduced sentence if they don't try to fight it.



Why would they fine the owners? It's the club that has to comply with the rules. If the club fails to comply with FFP then the club pays the fine, and has to make up that loss in time for next season's round of checking.

Also people need to remember that this is merely the first year, FFP isn't going away and the clubs who are the largest violators aren't going to magically become compliant overnight. This season it may just be a huge fine and squad restrictions, but next season it'll be transfer bans and withholding any prize/TV money, the one after it'll be competition bans.

Maybe it will have to come out of City's own pocket but I would have thought UEFA would allow the owners to pay the fine separately, similar to the way we were allowed to spend £50m on the training ground and it doesn't count against us. There are certain things you're allowed to spend on outside of FFP rules but I don't know if fines are one of them, judging by the bolded part in your post you have way more faith in UEFA than I do.

They've got their headlines and it looks like they're taking action but I wouldn't be surprised if they back down at a later date and these big money clubs get off with a massively reduced punishment.
 

nicdic

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They won't as the owners are allowed to just pay it.
 

Ribble

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Maybe it will have to come out of City's own pocket but I would have thought UEFA would allow the owners to pay the fine separately, similar to the way we were allowed to spend £50m on the training ground and it doesn't count against us. There are certain things you're allowed to spend on outside of FFP rules but I don't know if fines are one of them, judging by the bolded part in your post you have way more faith in UEFA than I do.

The only thing permissible outside of FFP is infrastructure and youth development, hence being able to spend £50m on the training ground & Man City spending a massive wad on the Etihad campus and new training complex that isn't counted. They're not trying to discourage stable long-term development.
 

nightgoat

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Looking at the squad Man City registered for the CL this season, I'm not sure restricting them to 21 players instead of 25 will affect them much.

http://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/season=2014/clubs/club=52919/squad/

According to that they only registered 24 players. Take away Boyata, the third goalkeeper Johansen and Rodwell (one appearance between the three of them) and they're down to 21 players with very little impact.
 

nailsy

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In comparison the footballers get for misconduct, sure. Or in comparison to the ridiculous fines clubs have been given for racist behaviour, but fines are not the right penalty for teams that are breaking FFP rules, particularly clubs to whom money is no object anyway.

I imagine that even the super rich clubs would be a bit put out by a £50M fine...although ultimately they can afford to pay it. As someone else has already said this is the first stage of punishment. If they break the FFP rules again next season you imagine the punishment will be even more severe, possibly including being thrown out of the competition. The fine though will be a huge deterent to all but the richest clubs. Even Chelsea will have to sit up and take notice of this. Manu Utd are actually going to be very lucky to miss out on Europe this season if they are planning to spend the £200M that the press keep talking about.

I'd love to know what they plan to do with the money though. Hopefully it will go into developing football somewhere at grassroots level but you have a feeling that it will just end up lining someones pockets.
 

DanielCHillier

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Looking at the squad Man City registered for the CL this season, I'm not sure restricting them to 21 players instead of 25 will affect them much.

http://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/season=2014/clubs/club=52919/squad/

According to that they only registered 24 players. Take away Boyata, the third goalkeeper Johansen and Rodwell (one appearance between the three of them) and they're down to 21 players with very little impact.
I think someone said earlier in the thread that 8 of the 21 must be homegrown
 

only1waddle

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Looking at the squad Man City registered for the CL this season, I'm not sure restricting them to 21 players instead of 25 will affect them much.

http://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/season=2014/clubs/club=52919/squad/

According to that they only registered 24 players. Take away Boyata, the third goalkeeper Johansen and Rodwell (one appearance between the three of them) and they're down to 21 players with very little impact.

If 3 or 4 of those 21 get injured then it might start to cause problems.
 
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