Man up people

[jonathanhotspur]

Once we can get 90 minutes out of Adebayor, we'll be a different proposition. As inconsistent as he can be, we were always in big trouble last season when he was unavailable. I would get Dembele and Dempsey into the side ASAP and bench Lennon, Livermore and Defoe. I think that would solve a lot of problems. We don't have to be sexy right now. We just need a win.

 

[Ndombers]

Wow, 3 games in, and Levy must go, AVB is clueless, the formations all wrong, we're going to get relegated!!!
Chill out, stop acting like over excited teenagers.
There has been a major change to the squad. No matter what team that has a major overhaul, there is always a time period until players know the system and each other. This also goes for the new manager. He has a different style, therefore there is obviously a bedding in period for the players to come accustomed to his style. Add to the fact we have lost our playmaker, then patience is needed.
This is excatly what happened at Chelsea for AVB, media disgruntlement, because he treated them with the contempt they often deserved (and they didnt like that) Which led to fan disatisfaction which eventually tied with poor results led to the sack.
He has to be given time, otherwise we shoot ourselves in the foot. He has rebuilt the squad. In my opinion he needs probably 2 seasons to get his ethos and style embedded. Only then would it be fair to judge him.
It is ridiculous to moan and groan like children after 3 results. If you really want Spurs to fail this season and fulfill the prophecy then boo them, talk negative, let them get nervous on the pitch, call for AVB's head, get him sacked in December, get in a new manager, and start all over again!! Probably with the same results, but you just extend the pain. It takes time to embed a new style, look at Liverpool, IMO they have had a worse start than us, does that mean Brendan Rogers is a failure? I dont think so. Hopefully they are short sited and they dont give him time, doing that can only work in the oppositions favour.
COYS

You didn't exactly help by scoring against us yesterday mate!

 

[pablo73]

Once we can get 90 minutes out of Adebayor, we'll be a different proposition. As inconsistent as he can be, we were always in big trouble last season when he was unavailable. I would get Dembele and Dempsey into the side ASAP and bench Lennon, Livermore and Defoe. I think that would solve a lot of problems. We don't have to be sexy right now. We just need a win.

Spot on. I would also bench Gallas and replace him with Caulker. With those changes we will be a different proposition indeed.

 

[Kingstheman]

What matters to me most is that the club - I stress the next bit - at a footballing level is being run properly on a long term basis.

With proper training from the bottom up, we can only improve.

 

[DIEHARD]

Once we can get 90 minutes out of Adebayor, we'll be a different proposition. As inconsistent as he can be, we were always in big trouble last season when he was unavailable. I would get Dembele and Dempsey into the side ASAP and bench Lennon, Livermore and Defoe. I think that would solve a lot of problems. We don't have to be sexy right now. We just need a win.

See I dont think it is as simple as that.

We are not dropping points because of individual errors. We are dropping points because the whole team has been utter shite from AVB through to the players. The tactics have been shambolic especially the in game changes - putting on two DMs against Norwich and WBA is criminal and to also revert back to defensive tactics once going 1-0 is unjustifiable in my view.

Its not like we are saying Defoe is missing easy chances and must be replaced simply because we havent created any. Give me two chances that we created yesterday? Even Dembele's goal was opportunistic. I dont remember a save their keeper made.

 

[Vecellio]

The thing that pees me off is that we all knew Modric was off so really there is no excuse that a decent replacement has not been brought in (i don't count Dembele as like for like). Do your deals before the last minute! We will be treading water this season at best i feel..

 

[jonathanhotspur]

See I dont think it is as simple as that.

We are not dropping points because of individual errors. We are dropping points because the whole team has been utter shite from AVB through to the players. The tactics have been shambolic especially the in game changes - putting on two DMs against Norwich and WBA is criminal and to also revert back to defensive tactics once going 1-0 is unjustifiable in my view.

Its not like we are saying Defoe is missing easy chances and must be replaced simply because we havent created any. Give me two chances that we created yesterday? Even Dembele's goal was opportunistic. I dont remember a save their keeper made.

Defoe plays with his head down and is like tits on a bull when it comes to bringing others into the game. His movement isn't good enough and he falls down like a tired child too often. It doesn't matter how often Bale flashes a cross in front of the six yard box-Defoe won't get there (there was yet another example of this in the first half yesterday).

If we take the goal we conceded yesterday, I'd say there were a collection of individual errors in the build up. Lennon and BAE did nothing to stop the cross coming in, Huddlestone made a very feeble attempt to win the second ball and then Walker and Livermore were caught in a daydream-where have we seen that before?. Both of them were ballwatching and one or both of them should have been throwing themselves at the ball but what we saw instead was Livermore on his heels and Walker worried about dropping his handbag.

I think the problem at the moment is that we have too many dim players in our starting eleven. I expect that to change for the next game. I expect to see Defoe, Livermore and hopefully Lennon dropped and if they aren't, I will be cheesed off. I don't think we have been utterly shit in our three games. I think we were a bit shit yesterday, yes, but I still think we created some half chances. Their keeper made saves-unfortunately, he didn't have to move for them, generally speaking.

I agree that some of AVB's decisions have been odd. I see no reason why Dembele didn't start instead of Livermore yesterday.

 

[BK007]

It's more of the way we bored everyone to death against Norwich, who like West Brom, looked better than us and deserved to win.

Even Liverpool, as bad as they have started, are playing better than us.

I don't know how anyone can defend the cluelessness or utter disinterest or abject failure to heed AVB's gameplan but all our strong players (Bale, Lennon, Walker, BAE etc) were exactly that. No imagination, no heart, no creativity. Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results...kind of like Harry's team when we weren't on. But, I expected better from AVB not Livermore starting yet again and Defoe the dandelion expected to actually cause defenders problems.

If Norwich and West Brom defenders can handle him without breaking a sweat, what's that tell you about Man U, City, Chavski, Gooners, Liverpool, Everton etc.

Hopefully AVB wisens up.

 

[thinktank]

Wow, 3 games in, and Levy must go, AVB is clueless, the formations all wrong, we're going to get relegated!!!
Chill out, stop acting like over excited teenagers.
There has been a major change to the squad. No matter what team that has a major overhaul, there is always a time period until players know the system and each other. This also goes for the new manager. He has a different style, therefore there is obviously a bedding in period for the players to come accustomed to his style. Add to the fact we have lost our playmaker, then patience is needed.
This is excatly what happened at Chelsea for AVB, media disgruntlement, because he treated them with the contempt they often deserved (and they didnt like that) Which led to fan disatisfaction which eventually tied with poor results led to the sack.
He has to be given time, otherwise we shoot ourselves in the foot. He has rebuilt the squad. In my opinion he needs probably 2 seasons to get his ethos and style embedded. Only then would it be fair to judge him.
It is ridiculous to moan and groan like children after 3 results. If you really want Spurs to fail this season and fulfill the prophecy then boo them, talk negative, let them get nervous on the pitch, call for AVB's head, get him sacked in December, get in a new manager, and start all over again!! Probably with the same results, but you just extend the pain. It takes time to embed a new style, look at Liverpool, IMO they have had a worse start than us, does that mean Brendan Rogers is a failure? I dont think so. Hopefully they are short sited and they dont give him time, doing that can only work in the oppositions favour.
COYS

It's gonna be a long hard season. Just be prepared for the pain. This league ain't no joke.

Oh, and I'm thoroughly behind AVB; needs to be given the season, but don't think he will be.

 

[Jimmypearce7]

Agree. This was always going to be a transitional season. We've shipped about 10 players out and brought in 6. We've lost 3 world class players in King, Modric & VdV but we've brought in players to strengthen a team playing style. In Dembele, Vertonghen & Lloris we could have 3 new world class players, but they need time to develop and gel.

AVB out calls on twitter & in the media are absolutely ridiculous. And as for the Levy out calls, yes he can be a frustrating chairman, but in the premier league, before Levy we on average finished 10th. Since Levy we on average finish 7th, but in the last four seasons we average finishing 5th. Levy has brought gradual but continual progress, and he's done it without saddling us with debt.

If he delivers a new stadium, without too much debt while keeping the team challenging for 4th, IMHO we can't reasonably ask for more. Silverware would be a bonus... But once we have the new stadium & those on the season ticket waiting list can actually buy one, then hopefully we can kick on & be genuine challengers.

If we are in transition it is because we have decided to be. We didn't have to effect a root and branch transformation of a the fourth best team in the league.

I don't lack confidence in AVB because we have under performed in the first three games but because I don't think he should have been given the job in the first place. Only two seasons as a manager in the first place. Barely two full seasons as a manager, one in Portugal a great success. That must count for something but he took over the top club there and made them win stuff. Does that make him better than Neil Lennon? Then his only experience of managing in England is a disaster, one crass mistake after another, no understanding of what makes a successful team and an imposition of tactics/formations that the players aren't comfortable with- which he seems to be doing again. Whether i am positive or negative, putting the wrong man in charge can only end in failure.

 

[Kingstheman]

It's gonna be a long hard season. Just be prepared for the pain. This league ain't no joke.

Oh, and I'm thoroughly behind AVB; needs to be given the season, but don't think he will be.

I'm in the same boat as you then. I have a pan ready for some frantic bailing.

 

[RichieS]

It's more of the way we bored everyone to death against Norwich, who like West Brom, looked better than us and deserved to win.

Even Liverpool, as bad as they have started, are playing better than us.

I don't know how anyone can defend the cluelessness or utter disinterest or abject failure to heed AVB's gameplan but all our strong players (Bale, Lennon, Walker, BAE etc) were exactly that. No imagination, no heart, no creativity. Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results...kind of like Harry's team when we weren't on. But, I expected better from AVB not Livermore starting yet again and Defoe the dandelion expected to actually cause defenders problems.

If Norwich and West Brom defenders can handle him without breaking a sweat, what's that tell you about Man U, City, Chavski, Gooners, Liverpool, Everton etc.

Hopefully AVB wisens up.

This is what's really pissing me off amid all this negative nonsense. I know what all the people who rang up 606 whilst I was driving home yesterday were saying and I know what 'arry's mates in the media are saying, but we deserved to win the West Brom game comfortably. In the first half in particular, we absolutely battered them. With better finishing, we would have been 3-0 up inside 20 mins (Defoe slide, Vertonghen half volley, vdV miss) and have had the cushion our dominance deserved. Unfortunately, after failing to take those chances, AVB was forced into making a "game chasing" change which while it got us in front, opened the game up way too much. Although we went in front whilst playing 4-4-2 (which I believe we would have done anyway if his first change had been Ade for Defoe) the sudden extra freedom allowed to West Brom provided them with the confidence they needed to get their foot in the door. The switch back to 4-2-3-1 was the right change to make but unfortunately it was the aforementioned spell of "lottery football" which had given West Brom the impetus they needed to not give up and battle back.

Yesterday Norwich did deserve to win, I can't argue with that. That said, on this occasion the switch to 4-4-2 did seem to swing the game in our favour but I can completely understand the switch back to the "more defensive" starting system - it gave us an extra body in midfield and in theory should allow us to keep the ball better. It didn't turn out that way, but that would have been the theory behind it.

All in all, I'm not really worried at the moment. We've played 3 games, 2 of which we deserved to win and for whatever reason (poor finishing, new players etc) didn't, but with the quality of players at the club we can only get better if everything is given time to settle. Lloris, Vertonghen, Dembele, Dempsey and Ade can all make an impact in the starting 11 (Gylfi I'm sure will be a star but is young yet) and I think squad-wise, we now have more players who are likely to be given a chance than we did before.

Onwards and upwards.

 

[matt5768]

too many people seem to have the memory of a goldfish when it comes to spurs, we were nothing up until 4 or 5 seasons ago, and we only have one trophy to show in the last few years....i want spurs to do well as much as anyone, desperate for us to succeed but this isnt a divine right, maybe we need to go backwards a bit to go forwards, maybe we have been punching above our weight up until now....i really hope avb has time because he could be great....lets just hope it aint 2 points from 8 in october

 

[rez9000]

Yeah I expect they would but, assuming you didn't start supporting spurs this season, you know Spurs don't always win these games, never have, never will.

Not just Spurs. No-one.

Losses. Happen.

Two words. People who 'expect' to win games. should absorb those two words in that order and then apply them to football.

 

[Kingstheman]

Not just Spurs. No-one.

Losses. Happen.

Two words. People who 'expect' to win games. should absorb those two words in that order and then apply them to football.

Exactly. Some people need to revise expectations.

 

[parklane_n17]

What i dont understand is why does everyone have to be over the moon avb is our manager, I have been to all three games this season dont like the style of football or the players he has used or the way he has treated certain players. All i want is Mr Levy to come out and tell us why he sacked Harry and why he appointed AVB, we deserve this!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[spud]

If we are in transition it is because we have decided to be. We didn't have to effect a root and branch transformation of a the fourth best team in the league.

Yes we did.

We may not have had to change the manager, but if you lose King, Vdv and, in particular, Modric in one transfer window - all three of which were effectively beyond our control - than that's exactly what happens.

 

[rez9000]

What i dont understand is why does everyone have to be over the moon avb is our manager, I have been to all three games this season dont like the style of football or the players he has used or the way he has treated certain players. All i want is Mr Levy to come out and tell us why he sacked Harry and why he appointed AVB, we deserve this!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why? Why do we deserve that?

 

[parklane_n17]

why!!!!!! because ive paid thousands of pounds since 1984 travelling all over the country watching idiots like gross santini graham etc. we finally get a manager that can get us into the top four and playing great football and he sacks him and employs a total arsehole thats why we deserve explanations!!!

 

[DIEHARD]

why!!!!!! because ive paid thousands of pounds since 1984 travelling all over the country watching idiots like gross santini graham etc. we finally get a manager that can get us into the top four and playing great football and he sacks him and employs a total arsehole thats why we deserve explanations!!!

I think thats precisely it. We are stakeholders in the club - the chairman/chief exec has to communicate with us.

My mate yesterday said - he doesnt think he has ever heard Levy speak. I like that but when it comes to decisions that the club make - surely we deserve some explanation.