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Manager Watch: Ange Postecoglou

Styopa

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I think Ange will be given serious funds, but I think it will take the form of buying a few players in the £25m-£50m range rather than a statement signing of a new striker. We just seem more comfortable shopping at that level. Even the last year or two most of our best signings have been young players bought for relatively modest fees and presumably on relatively modest salaries.

The fact we’re still a few players short, rather than just one or two, makes this even more likely imo.

I wouldn’t completely rule out a statement signing at some stage, because we have done it before- think Ndombele. There’s also a chance we unearth some striking gem. But I would be surprised if we’re shopping for one in the £80m-£100m range. At least I would be surprised with it at this stage in our development.

Still, I think it should be an interesting summer.
 

ardiles&villa

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I think Ange will be given serious funds, but I think it will take the form of buying a few players in the £25m-£50m range rather than a statement signing of a new striker. We just seem more comfortable shopping at that level. Even the last year or two most of our best signings have been young players bought for relatively modest fees and presumably on relatively modest salaries.

The fact we’re still a few players short, rather than just one or two, makes this even more likely imo.

I wouldn’t completely rule out a statement signing at some stage, because we have done it before- think Ndombele. There’s also a chance we unearth some striking gem. But I would be surprised if we’re shopping for one in the £80m-£100m range. At least I would be surprised with it at this stage in our development.

Still, I think it should be an interesting summer.
We don’t really need to be shopping in the 100m market…we have to scout good players that fit the system with potential to explode.
Get paratici on the blower
 

Nick-TopSpursMan

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I do agree that Sonny can't play up top and Richy is frustratingly injury prone but I think we still need more quality throughout the squad.

I also agree that we don't really need a CB, we've got 4 and a couple of good youngsters waiting in the wings.

I'd personally say a proper DM needs to be a priority, someone who can protect the defence because Biss has fallen off a cliff.
I also think we need a different option or two out wide, some more technique and guile, along with maybe a reliable cover/competition for Madders.

I just can't see us spending a fortune without shifting a fair few out first and proper decent strikers are few and far between.
So while I'd love a top striker, for the money we'll probably have and the price it would cost to get one, I think we've got other priorities first.

I guess we'll have to see what Ange thinks he needs.

Yeah we definitely need a striker but as you say we badly need quality out wide and a 6, plus the depth at FB and AM as you say.

You could stick Isak in our team and he would obviously improve us but if we don’t sort out the balance out wide the improvement really wouldn’t be as big as some people think.
 

jolsnogross

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Trying to solve too many positions in one go is a fools errand. We are often chasing 4-6 positions - how can we need that many year after year? It'd be good to solve 1 or 2. And after Kane's departure, a striker is certainly a spot we should attempt to resolve. It would cover a lot of other frailties if we got it right.
 

Nick-TopSpursMan

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Good video about Ange here.

Also a whole section dedicated to 1v1 wingers within this and shock horrror, guess who they highly recommend we sign? One of Doue, Williams or Summerville… We’ve heard those names before 😂
 

mil1lion

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The reason Ange is a good fit for us is because he doesn't need massive money spent. We had 2 managers who needed that budget but it was never happening. We just need to keep doing what we've done the last couple of years. Get players who are high quality and with potential to get better but who fit the system. They also need the mentality for the dressing room and really want to be a part of what we're doing. Another summer like last in the remaining positions of need ( defensive midfield, fullback and forward) and we're going to be a force.
 

Albertbarich

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I'm not sure how Ange sees it but from my untrained eye a defensive midfielder in the Rodri mould is what we really lack

Richy and sonny both offer goals and yeah that position could be upgraded but we're fine if they're playing but when I watch us out midfield is far too open so that's what I would concentrate on.

Also I hate to sound like a nut but if we had our fair share of penalties our season could look pretty different. The odd point added here and there would put us a lot closer to the top three.
 

Cochise

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Trying to solve too many positions in one go is a fools errand. We are often chasing 4-6 positions - how can we need that many year after year? It'd be good to solve 1 or 2. And after Kane's departure, a striker is certainly a spot we should attempt to resolve. It would cover a lot of other frailties if we got it right.
I think the biggest issues are partly a lack of continuity and partly down to poor purchasing/lack of over the last 5-6years.

Take the centre back situation as an example. Jose wanted at least one top centre back and he got Rodon, a player that has failed to impress the following two coaches and is still Championship level. Conte wanted centre backs and we got Lenglet on loan. Ange wanted two last summer but only got Micky (Phillips was not ready for the Premier League).

The continuity factor comes with having a coach in Conte who had a very specific list of players he needed being the complete opposite of Ange. We had inverted wingers being replaced by traditional ones, centre backs that were happy in a mid-low block needing to be replaced with those that can play in a high line and a batch of central midfielders that were all 6.5's needing to reskill or be replaced by specialist's.

Lastly you have the poor purchases. GLC and N'Dombele have not really suited any of our coaches plans. Sessegnon, Clarke, Spence, Rodon and Gil are young players that have for one reason or another not made the step up.

When you write it all down it becomes quite obvious that we won't really fix things until we have another 2-3 solid windows. And that's without taking in to account the potential player losses we might take. Son will at some point leave, Romero I can see getting itchy feet quite soon. Udogie and Micky are both on a fantastic trajectory which will soon see the very top clubs taking an interest. In short we need to get things perfect.
 

NEVILLEB

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I have mixed feelings about Ange.

Some love there for his attacking instincts and courage.

Some doubts over his ability to organise us defensively and the type of characters he’s signed as Manager.

Could all be sorted this summer but let’s see if he can get it right
 

Metalhead

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I have mixed feelings about Ange.

Some love there for his attacking instincts and courage.

Some doubts over his ability to organise us defensively and the type of characters he’s signed as Manager.

Could all be sorted this summer but let’s see if he can get it right
Personally I'm jaded by the idea of chopping and changing coaches every 5 minutes. This is the first season where I've started to feel jaded by it all
 

SpringHeeledJim

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I'm not sure how Ange sees it but from my untrained eye a defensive midfielder in the Rodri mould is what we really lack

Richy and sonny both offer goals and yeah that position could be upgraded but we're fine if they're playing but when I watch us out midfield is far too open so that's what I would concentrate on.

Also I hate to sound like a nut but if we had our fair share of penalties our season could look pretty different. The odd point added here and there would put us a lot closer to the top three.
Totally agree about a Rodri type player
 

TOLBINY

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The reason Ange is a good fit for us is because he doesn't need massive money spent. We had 2 managers who needed that budget but it was never happening. We just need to keep doing what we've done the last couple of years. Get players who are high quality and with potential to get better but who fit the system. They also need the mentality for the dressing room and really want to be a part of what we're doing. Another summer like last in the remaining positions of need ( defensive midfield, fullback and forward) and we're going to be a force.
He doesn't need massive money spent to achieve what? If we don't spend massive and don't win anything under Ange is that ok? Is he still a good fit? How many managers have won the Prem without spending big - Ranieri in a 5,000-1 season, which is hardly a blueprint. I am not judging Ange and if he does go against the norm and win the Prem without spending big I will be the first one on SC to give him massive kudos for doing so.
 

fishhhandaricecake

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Trying to solve too many positions in one go is a fools errand. We are often chasing 4-6 positions - how can we need that many year after year? It'd be good to solve 1 or 2. And after Kane's departure, a striker is certainly a spot we should attempt to resolve. It would cover a lot of other frailties if we got it right.
Rebuild innit.
5 needed min this summer to give squad more robustness.
 

gibbospurs

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Not sure who we can sign in Anges system that will stop us conceding goals. We’ve 2 of the best cbs and pretty decent wing backs. Bissouma isn’t good enough imo. But the system will always cough up lots of chances for the oppo. Need to be better up top for it all to work.
 

DannyNZ

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Not sure who we can sign in Anges system that will stop us conceding goals. We’ve 2 of the best cbs and pretty decent wing backs. Bissouma isn’t good enough imo. But the system will always cough up lots of chances for the oppo. Need to be better up top for it all to work.
Agree biggest issue for me defensively is how cheaply we've been giving away possession in the midfield and upfront. Sadly it’s been to easy to stop us playing, we give away possession and then teams catch us on the break. We need a CF that can lead the line and receive the ball without constantly coughing it up, Kane would do a nice job. The better teams usually have a dominant number 6 sitting in front of their defence, Biss just isn't that guy.
 

rossdapep

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Two priority positions are a 6 and a winger that is superb on 1v1s.

After that, I think we won't need to pay premium, unless we are in for a CF who you generally have to pay premium for.
 
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