Manchester City Vs Tottenham: Match Thread

[Dan Yeats]

Reasoned discussion?

Sorry, what am I thinking.

 

[jurgen]

Maske2g's post is balls but kind of predictable.

You have to be the team that hurts so much from defeat that is doesn't want to lose again. Look at our prior reactions to being beat by City at home and Stoke away - that's us, nothing to do with today. A pointless cliche.

We have to be antagonists - perhaps there is something correct here but only insofar as officialdom of the Premier League is utterly in the thrall of teams that push the boundaries. Do you want us to punch, stamp or abuse the opposition? Just because we might get away with it and it'd give us an advantage?

Refs dont win or lose, you do - Refs this year are proving that they are often incapable of following matches and arbitrating properly, so either a) give them more support or b) drop those whose performance levels reach embarrassing depths. These arguments become so simplistic - if you are a team who is efficient enough to make one clear chance and score it and the ref wrongly rules you offside - why would an argument of defence be that you should have made 15 chances to prevent such an occurrence. If you make one good chance and it should stand, it should stand. Its a joke if we talk about margins being widened precisely because half the refs in this league are incompetent. We trust these officials to make the correct call and they've really let the whole league down this year, and we've borne a brunt of poor decisions.

What you call defeatist shit has also powered many coaches to move their teams forward after bad results. There's many ways to instill a winning mentality and obviously many players respond to the 'world is against us' approach.

First half we played like a tidy team missing its focal point, which is what we were. We changed it up and could have won it, it was obviously a peno but the referee lost control at certain points and it worked against us. Gordon Gekko bullshit isn't the way forward..

 

[JohanTheYid]

I think we're all guilty of only remembering one side of it though. Fans of all clubs say exactly the same thing, because when the decisions go your way you tend to just shrug and think, "yeah, a bit lucky". When the shoe's on the other foot you're incensed and it burns itself into your memory. Kaboul should have given away a pen the other day for instance, but we got away with it. I bet the Everton fans will remember that for longer than we do.

That's a fair point mate and I totally agree, but I struggle to think of any real game changing decisions we have had go our way this season, the Everton one for example was at 2-0 to us. Struggling to think of others, but maybe that just adds more credence to your point.

 

[pistolP]

But more importantly, let's just stop blaming the players. That was a fucking good performance today and we can take a lot of positives from that when we face Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool and Man utd. That was without Adebayor as well.

Redknapp and Levy, get a fucking move on and bring in a striker with some physical presence though.

Even though, we can do with a physical presence upfront, any of the Man City forward lines could have done a good job for us today. I agree that we do need a good striker of any kind.

 

[srups34]

3rd and win the FA cup would be a excellent season. I hope the disappointment in the way we lost this game doesn't effect the rest of our season.

 

[theShiznit]

Maske2g's post is balls but kind of predictable.

You have to be the team that hurts so much from defeat that is doesn't want to lose again. Look at our prior reactions to being beat by City at home and Stoke away - that's us, nothing to do with today. A pointless cliche.

We have to be antagonists - perhaps there is something correct here but only insofar as officialdom of the Premier League is utterly in the thrall of teams that push the boundaries. Do you want us to punch, stamp or abuse the opposition? Just because we might get away with it and it'd give us an advantage?

Refs dont win or lose, you do - Refs this year are proving that they are often incapable of following matches and arbitrating properly, so either a) give them more support or b) drop those whose performance levels reach embarrassing depths. These arguments become so simplistic - if you are a team who is efficient enough to make one clear chance and score it and the ref wrongly rules you offside - why would an argument of defence be that you should have made 15 chances to prevent such an occurrence. If you make one good chance and it should stand, it should stand. Its a joke if we talk about margins being widened precisely because half the refs in this league are incompetent. We trust these officials to make the correct call and they've really let the whole league down this year, and we've borne a brunt of poor decisions.

What you call defeatist shit has also powered many coaches to move their teams forward after bad results. There's many ways to instill a winning mentality and obviously many players respond to the 'world is against us' approach.

First half we played like a tidy team missing its focal point, which is what we were. We changed it up and could have won it, it was obviously a peno but the referee lost control at certain points and it worked against us. Gordon Gekko bullshit isn't the way forward..

:clap:

 

[kitchen]

Blaming ref's is feeble. We were awful at Stoke in the first half. Failed to adjust tactically to the long ball and gave 2 shit goals.

We got 3 pts at Fulham, where they dominated the game, but we got away with the win thanks to a poor refs decision.

In 38 games, you get what you deserve.

8 points lost to refs is a lot to 'deserve.'

One of Stoke's goals was a hand-ball. Another ref blunder.

Yes we weren't at the races at Fulham. If you want to be really pedantic, let's take the 3 points off the 8, meaning refs have cost us 5 points. Still, quite a lot in a closely fought table.

People constantly say that the sign of a champion is the teams that play badly (and probably deserve to lose) and come away with the 3 points.

No team plays really well every week. Even Barcelona drop points. Are you going to go on their forum and say they're not good enough when they draw or lose? (Incidentally, they're the best team I've ever seen :roll

We played well today. Could have won. Yes we can play better but fine margins make a difference in football. We're not going to have our best game ever every week (see barcelona example). Criticising the team's performance is not the way to go after todays game imo. We played well away from home, we can see the team were fighting (hence we came back from a 2 goal defecit today) and wanted to win (hence they were dejected at the final whistle).

We're not the finished article. The squad needs a bit of upgrading for us to be the finished article, but we're good enough, and have been good enough to be right in the mix at the top of the table, not 8 points adrift.

 

[GoldstarYid]

Extremely proud to be a Spurs fan today. We have the best starting 11 in the league and even having been screwed time and again by referee decisions we are still up there. We are exceeding our expectations for the season and we can push on next year. The manner in which this team has been created is fantastic as well, were not City or Chelsea, plastic clubs with plastic fans. We are a self sustaining club who have earned their way up.

We may come 3rd this year and that will be more to do with referees then our own abillity. Next year we can win it.

COYS.

 

[archiewasking]

I was proud of the team today. The character to get back from two down against a team who've only let in four at home all season till now. The determination to go on from level and be a couple of inches away from winning at a ground where no-one has got a point so far.

I am proud to be a Tottenham Hotspur supporter tonight.

 

[akie]

Putting the negativity aside, im bloody proud of all the players today!! And proud to be a spurs fan! COYS

 

[sim0n]

3rd and win the FA cup would be a excellent season. I hope the disappointment in the way we lost this game doesn't effect the rest of our season.

yep, and that is my biggest fear after a game like this, momentum change. today feels like that manUre game Spurs lost after a 3-0 halftime lead (emotionally). 2 big margins of victory against watford and wigan ought to sort that out :clap:

COYS!!!!

 

[AngerManagement]

Because all that particular crowd want to do, is come on here and berate anybody who doesn't like losing, or has an opinion, and immediately label that as knee jerk reaction.

I honestly don't know why they bother coming on.

No one likes losing

I honestly don't see how the reaction of a fan to his team losing makes them a winner or a loser personally though?

There are extremes of both, some people rave too much when things go well for Spurs and think we are going to win the league when we beat Norwich and others call for the managers head when we lose to Stoke or whatever

Do you honestly believe you always get what you deserve over the course of a season? do you not think Ref decisions have an influence on matches? is it always a weak excuse to blame a ref?

Were Ireland not harshly treated when Henry handled the ball to knock them out the world cup? or England with Sol Campbell's ruled out goal?

do you not see that 3 goals in games that were either drawn or lost by a single goal have a key impact on results? 2 extra wins and a draw would have us top right now for example and thats not even factoring in what may or may not have happened had Super Mario been sent off today.

Ok we caught a break against Fulham....how do you know Defoe wouldn't still have scored at the end though? as I recall we won that game by two clear goals.

Do you really think being negative and pissed off on an internet forum after some guys you probably never met lost a game of football makes you a winner? does that make "thegreenlily" the biggest winner since Charlie Sheen for his "3 points from 10 games HArry?" thread?

As fans of course people are frustrated, disappointed and angry with the result....but as fans we can also be reflective and contemplate the pros and cons of a performance.

We are not the players nor the management so we don't have to have the mentality toward the match of champions (in fact it would be a little foolish for us to allow it to effect our personal lives so much)

I agree with what you said, and I do hope the players and stuff are spitting bullets right now and champing at the bit for the next game. That is where the mentality of the team will count, how we perform against Wigan...... what fans post on a internet forum post match will not determine whether or not we as a club are winners or losers

 

[tippspur59]

Heart broken after that result but proud of the teams response after going 2-0 down.we're not out of this yet.

 

[CaptainCat]

That's a fair point mate and I totally agree, but I struggle to think of any real game changing decisions we have had go our way this season, the Everton one for example was at 2-0 to us. Struggling to think of others, but maybe that just adds more credence to your point.

There was a game where Walker hand-balled on the line in the last minute but the ref didn't give, which definitely gifted us two points. I forget who it was against.

 

[AngerManagement]

There was a game where Walker hand-balled on the line in the last minute but the ref didn't give, which definitely gifted us two points. I forget who it was against.

That was Fulham

We won that game by two clear goals though so who's to say we still wouldn't have won the match?

 

[werty]

That was Fulham

We won that game by two clear goals though so who's to say we still wouldn't have won the match?

It was 2-1 at the time, but I refer yo to my previous post

Edit: Which is in a different thread . We should have had a pen a minute before when Sidwell pushed Parker in the back, so it evened itself out.

 

[ajspurs]

Couldn't watch this, but glad I couldn't. Probably would have been scarred for life. Saw it was 2-2 in the 88th minute, thought thats how it was gonna end, checked the final score a few minutes later, full time 3-2, my face dropped so much at that moment.

Still, good to hear we put in a good performance in one of the toughest away games of the season. Hopefully we can go to Anfield, The Emirates and Stamford Bridge and really put on a performance and pick something up.

Next week can't come soon enough.

 

[GoldstarYid]

It was 2-1 at the time, but I refer yo to my previous post

Edit: Which is in a different thread . We should have had a pen a minute before when Sidwell pushed Parker in the back, so it evened itself out.

Walker fell on the ball, different to getting blatantly fair goals ruled out and corners given for no apparent reason and leading to goals.

 

[AngerManagement]

It was 2-1 at the time, but I refer yo to my previous post

Edit: Which is in a different thread . We should have had a pen a minute before when Sidwell pushed Parker in the back, so it evened itself out.

I know it was 2-1 and we scored largely because they were going all out to scored and would not have been had they equalised, but the fact is we did score again and may well still have had they been awarded a penalty

For the record, wasn't the foul on Parker initial contact made outside the box?

 

[werty]

Walker fell on the ball, different to getting blatantly fair goals ruled out and corners given for no apparent reason and leading to goals.

Not sure why this post was aimed at me because I wasn't arguing that the decisions have evened themselves out.

I know it was 2-1 and we scored largely because they were going all out to scored and would not have been had they equalised, but the fact is we did score again and may well still have had they been awarded a penalty

For the record, wasn't the foul on Parker initial contact made outside the box?

We might have. They could argue that they would have gotten a third too with the momentum they would have had. It's a pointless argument because no one knows.

Thought the foul on Parker was inside( not 100% certain though), but I'm pretty sure they went up the other end for the penalty incident, so if the ref done his job in the first place it wouldn't have happened.