Manchester United have done nothing wrong, also my opinion of Mr Daniel Levy

[SpurSince57]

Yes, apparently the journo who reported the incriminating words remembered that it was very noisy in the room and admitted that he might have misheard. It's impossible to believe that United could have put any pressure on him.

As far as I'm aware, United and Ferguson are yet to respond to our invitation to confirm that they have made no approach to Berbatov and/or his agent over the past two years.

 

[tRiKS]

I don't understand why everyone is assuming that Sir Alex actually made these comments. They were printed on an obscure scandinavian fansite that has since removed the page and apologised, there is no audio or video of Sir Alex ever having made these comments.

Please can even one of you produce some official quotes from Sir Alex relating to the possible transfer of Dimitar Berbatov, Sir Alex has never publicly said anything like that. Also none of us have seen this supposed evidence that Mr Levy says he has, so we should all wait for the verdict of the Premier League before jumping to wild conclusions.





And how is this Bentley situation different to the Berbatov situation, surely Berbatov has also made it clear that he wants to leave. I repeat that none of you can find any official quotes from Sir Alex or anyone connected to Manchester United football club regarding the transfer of Berbatov. When Carrick WAS ASKED about the possibility of Berbatov joining by THE INTERVIEWER of course he said it would be a great signing and what else would you expect him to say. If Modric was asked about his opinion of David Villa possibly joining them would he not say that it would be a great signing.

Dude you're barking up the wrong tree with the Bently situation i'm afraid. Ince has said he's not for sale but that doesn't mean Ince is telling the truth. There are lots of reasons why Ince couldn't be blamed for running with the public line "he's not for sale", he's under no obligation to tell the truth on matters like this.

If Tottenham Hotspur are talking to Bently it's becasue we have been given permission to by blackburn.

Do you know how i know? becasue Ince, a former captain of SAF's and i no doubt harbours ambition of manageing them in a few years and Mark Hughes a well reknowned darling of Fergies team in the past, both would have sang like a canary if we'd done to them what your manager has done to us. Both would have jumped to mightly man utd's rescue but neither have!!?! In fact it would be thier duty to the rest of the PL to make such things public. They haven't though!!! and I have a theory on why they haven't. We did it the right legal way.

 

[rez9000]

I don't understand why everyone is assuming that Sir Alex actually made these comments. They were printed on an obscure scandinavian fansite that has since removed the page and apologised, there is no audio or video of Sir Alex ever having made these comments.

Please can even one of you produce some official quotes from Sir Alex relating to the possible transfer of Dimitar Berbatov, Sir Alex has never publicly said anything like that. Also none of us have seen this supposed evidence that Mr Levy says he has, so we should all wait for the verdict of the Premier League before jumping to wild conclusions.

The quotes have been removed. But, to reiterate, they were published (definition: the process of making public) by an official Man U fansite. I would ask this of you:

If these comments were incorrect, why did it take the website a number of days for them to be removed? Now, unless I'm very much mistaken, official sites have to gain approval from the club before publication. So how did the article with the quote in it end up on the site?

Is it likely that the interviewer got his quote completely wrong and that no-one caught it? Not the interviewer him/herself, not the fansite, and not the club? Surely one of those, somewhere along the line would be familiar with Premier League rules regarding transfers and would have spiked the piece, especially considering the increased attention that Man U were already under with regard to Real and Ronaldo?

I think it's more likely that Man U felt that what with Berbatov's alleged desire to play for them that publishing the comments wouldn't result in any action. But when they got their fingers burnt, the official fansite was forced into backpedalling furiously and get rid of the offending article to try and mitigate the shitstorm that Daniel Levy had just unleashed.

And how is this Bentley situation different to the Berbatov situation, surely Berbatov has also made it clear that he wants to leave. I repeat that none of you can find any official quotes from Sir Alex or anyone connected to Manchester United football club regarding the transfer of Berbatov. When Carrick WAS ASKED about the possibility of Berbatov joining by THE INTERVIEWER of course he said it would be a great signing and what else would you expect him to say. If Modric was asked about his opinion of David Villa possibly joining them would he not say that it would be a great signing.

I'm sorry, but you raised the issue of Bentley, not me. You tried to tar us with the same brush as SAF has been splashed with by accusing Spurs of unsettling him by our interest. Again you fail to understand the distinction. Bdding for players is one thing. Talking about it is another. If bidding for a player is questionable, because it may unsettle them, then you have just hung yourself with your own petard. If we have no right to bid for Bentley because it coudl unsettle him (putting aside the fact that he wants to move and said so before any official bid was tabled) then what right do Man U have for bidding for Berbatov?

It boils down to this: it is not a question of whether or not Blackburn want to sell Bentley, or whether we want to sell Berbatov. It is the manner in which we have have gone about trying to secure the transfer, compared to the manner in which Ferguson and Man U have gone about their transfer business. Not just this time, but in the past as well. At no point have we mentioned the name of any transfer target before their signature.

Let me ask you this: how many times has Juande Ramos been in the papers discussing the transfer of players that he wants to sign? I reckon a really clumsy lumberjack could count them on the fingers of one hand. Now, how many times has Ferguson been in the papers, discussing the fact that he wants to sign a striker.

Whether or not you want to see it, there is a massive difference between our transfer activites and yours. You're arguing a negative, stating that there is nothing attributable to Ferguson. That in itself is debatable. We, on the other hand, are arguing a reasonable and factually correct standpoint ie that we have done nothing that is questionable under the rules and regulations of the Premier League.

We are not guilty of any wrongdoing in the case of Bentley, Bostock or Ramos. The latter may have been a sordid affair, but it wasn't illegal. Trying to cast aspersions on us does not mitigate or excuse your behaviour, no matter how much you may protest that it does.

 

[eViL]

Truth is..

No matter what Fergie says, does or drinks.. Unless he's got £35m to hand over, Berbs is going nowhere.

If Utd want him that bad, they'd just pay.

If Berbs wants to sulk then fuck him too.. he signed the deal with us, 4 years to go!

Levy holds all the aces.

 

[liberty]

It's quite simple...

Manchester United have made an approach for Berbatov NOT VIA the Club.
Tottenham made an approach for Bentley VIA the Club.

What part of those 2 sentences do you not understand? 1 is illegal and 1 is legal.

 

[Yid-ol]

Ok first of all I am a new member here and I will lay my cards on the table, I am a Manchester United supporter. You may consider my viewpoint to be biased, but I always deal with the facts.

Sir Alex has never gone public with his interest in Dimitar Berbatov, it has always been done behind closed doors. He has confirmed that the quotes attributed to him in The Sun newspaper did not come from him. Manchester United are as I speak planning legal action against Tottenham for these false accusations. Sir Alex is well within his rights to expect an unconditional apology from Mr Levy and from Spurs.

Your manager Juande Ramos has never come out publicly and said that Dimitar Berbatov is not for sale, he has always said that if the right amount of money is offered he could be sold. Those kind of comments only encourage clubs to bid for the player. I think at this stage of Berbatov's career, you have to accept his desire to play Champions League football and win trophies. Manchester United will sign a striker in this transfer window, if Spurs refuse to sell Berbatov then we will move for Huntelaar so this transfer window is really Berbatov's last opportunity to join Manchester United.

So he has done it behind closed doors talking to players agent of player? Tapping up...

Why does a manager need to come out and say it publicly, if he tells your club he isnt for sale then that should be good enough, unless your club name seems to be Manchester United

i didnt read on after that, your club has been tapping up berabtov through his agent

 

[Seanson]

I wish Tottenham lots of luck for the coming season.

The only thing I have against SAF is that he turned down Spurs and went to Man United instead. Oh to have a time machine. I wish Man United many more years finishing ahead of l'arse. If we can't do it, it might as well be Man United.

 

[kicked]

The funniest thing is...the world and its dog knows SAF was talking about Berba. Like someone said on here...its the Sun that should be in the crap as it is their cock up! However, people who have learnt to read and take in important information would then have noticed that the dosier handed into the FA about the complaint against Manure is actually not with evidence from a 'little Scandinavian' website but is actually evidence that has accumalated over the last 2 years with the continuence persuement of Berba by Manure! (Also..how many times had Berba said that he was happy with Tottenham and wasn't looking to leave. He even stopped answering as the newspapers kept asking!)

As for Levy sanctioning bad buys etc etc......if thats the case then surely SAF should be sacked and not in a job! Levy relies on his DoF for players, SAF doesn't. SAF does it all i believe?? If thats the case...no one has mentioned Mr Veron! How much????

 

[Spurs_Q8]

Welcome mr. ExcellentDude ..

I don't need to replay all your points thankfully to both Disconosebleed and rez9000. But here some quick points.

I'm still not conviced with most of your points, but it is clear most of some of them because your little background about Levy as you aren't following Spurs news every day with big respect to you as person.

* I could only agree with you about MJ treatment, as people like him and Glenn Hoddle should be offered to resign rather than sacking them.

* talking with Bostock was legal as he wasn't signed profssional contracl. The Fee was the problem and Spurs didn't agree with Crystal palace over £5m.

* you questioned Mr Levy's credentials to still be in the job at Tottenham, but look at Spurs positioned and reputation before his arrival within around 10 years and look at recent years. Be aware that the sources and investment under Hoddle was averge/decent but as you stated he is wasting his money, you should know that it's due to the club financial profits in recent years. According to some reports before season 2007-2008 and before our signing last summer, Martin Jol spend around £60m in 2 1/2 years. There were a lot of words about that big spending, but the fact, the club get £42m from selling players during these years ( i could give you more details if you want ) which meant he spend £18m in two years ( £9m for each season ) and we finished 5th TWICE with good run in all cups in Martin Jol second season. The only bad talk about our spending was last summer, as we paid £40m for Bent, Kaboul, Bale, Boateng, Taarabt ( thanks to £16.5m for Darren Bent ) , Bent worth not £16m as you said but he didn't failed because he is poor, he failed due to his injuries in first months. We also sold Mido £6m, Murphy £1m, Ziegler £1m which mean the spending was £32m and that's normal in modern football as clubs like Sunerland and Fulham spend like that without sells during last summer. Don't foget we could still manage to get £10-12m for Bent, £7m for Kaboul. Levy is doing a fine job although he isn't foriegn investment.

* last point about Berbatov/Ronaldo, as i said i don't want to talk about this issue too much, but if you think we shouldn't blame Ferguson as Ramos always hinted that will listen to big offers ( not saying he is staying ) .. also you said the same about Ince/Bentley, but I would give you a fact that Martin Jol said it enough times he wants both Carrick and Berbatov to stay in last two summers, and you can't said it was just to rise the price, as Spurs offered them new contracts in each summer but both rejected it because Ferguson played his rule behind the scenes. you can't say they didn't want to stay because the team built around them and they were very very happy ( Berbatov played only 1 year ! ) , If you think I'm saying that because I'm Spurs fan, SAF also did it with likes Cole, Stam, Saha .. etc and his record is bad enough to help my point, I could name more names than Levy as you said. Finaly, Ramos said that if a club want Berbatov, he should break the British record and he isn't listing to ''any offers'' for him, so that Ferguson attemps are shocking with stupied offers likes £20-24m, which totaly supportive to his quotes about 'the time with him in his bid to sign Berbatov' in Norwegian site, which was not denied by Ferguson quickly until Levy statemnt, and the site come out to put themselves in blame just to make a 'cover' for SAF face for his disgrace comments about Berba as it would lead their club in some problems with F.A and Tottenham.

thanks for your read, and sorry for any language errors as it's not my first languague.

 

[alextheyid]

mate..if you're a united fan, do you really have nothing better to do on today the day of rest, than claw at proverbial straws of credibility for your manager, the fiery scotsman?...

 

[Blue_Mauvey]

Something about double standards and poor taste in art and wine?

My Babblefish always struggles with Fergie apologism.

 

[Adam456]

Mr Levy must be the only man on planet earth who thought that it was a good idea to spend 18 million on Darren Bent, a player who is not even worth half that amount

Everything else well covered........but one final inaccuracy that I don't think anybody has pointed out

£16.5m not £18m

:roll:

He was certainly worth £9m at the time and we'd have got him for a lot less then £16.5m if the idiots to the east weren't randomly bidding silly money for anything that breathed (surprise surprise they're desperately trying to get people off the wage bill now).

That said, we did pay over the odds but equally, he's still only turning 24 and we have plenty of time to see the best of him

 

[TheBigMatch]

Everything else well covered........but one final inaccuracy that I don't think anybody has pointed out

£16.5m not £18m

:roll:

He was certainly worth £9m at the time and we'd have got him for a lot less then £16.5m if the idiots to the east weren't randomly bidding silly money for anything that breathed (surprise surprise they're desperately trying to get people off the wage bill now).

That said, we did pay over the odds but equally, he's still only turning 24 and we have plenty of time to see the best of him

Had Spurs kept that £16.5m and paid off some borrowings Spurs would be more than £18m better off, and perhaps we would not be accepting offers for Keane and Berbatov today.

Even at £9m Bent wasn't good value if neither Jol or Ramos were prepared to play him.

As for ManU: better them than our rivals.

 

[Adam456]

Had Spurs kept that £16.5m and paid off some borrowings Spurs would be more than £18m better off, and perhaps we would not be accepting offers for Keane and Berbatov today.

Even at £9m Bent wasn't good value if neither Jol or Ramos were prepared to play him.

As for ManU: better them than our rivals.

Oh yeah I can see that he was implying that we borrowed the entire £16.5m at a cost of capital of at least 9.09% :roll:

Furthermore, if the Bent transfer was SO damaging to our finances then why did we spend the Defoe fee on Hutton and buy Gilberto in January and then spend £31.5m this summer before selling anybody ?

The only reason we're contemplating selling Keane and maybe Berbatov is that they are desperate to leave or it's great business or both

 

[Paxtonite]

What a shyte and ill informed article.

Buying in to the Manc propoganda is unvbelievable.

Firstly, do you think that because SAF is not stupid enough to conduct his pursuit of Berbatov publicly that he has not unsettled him for the past year or more? Man U have the media in their pockets. A press conference held by SAF is more like a presentation by Man U because journo's are afraid to press him on any issue for fear of being banned. Are you saying that you can categorically prove that there has been no contact with Berba's agent? Can you confirm that Man U did not put feeler stories out through any of the local or national press? Don't be so gullible. SAF is most definitely a hypocrite and he doesn't like anyone standing up to him. If i was Levy i would also sue him for defamation of character and asking him to explain what he meant when he described him as "different".

Secondly, to compare this with Bostock is absolute crap. The Bostock deal was flawed because the system is flawed for signing out of contract teenagers. The tribunal system needs review. Aside from that Spurs were not in breach of any rules and in any case as it turns out the actual fee will exceed £2m.

Thirdly, the Ramos from Seville point is the only part that is valid in your argument and it is here perhaps where Levy needs to consider his argument. Aside from this your club are too powerful to have to worry about the consequences of any of their actions because the media want their access and they want their TV contracts. For as long as they do then they will suck up to ManUre, and your club will continue to do whatever it wants, and suckers like you will continue to buy in to the Theatre of Dreams bullshit.

By the way we want our Glory Glory song back too.

 

[ever]

one major point that hasnt been cleared up yet

its tottenham hotspur, not tottenham hotspurs

thankyou

 

[Bingy]

Well retorted Mes Amis.....so now where do we find a Keane replacement....like.....yesterday? The season is a few weeks away and I, for one, cannot see the logic of depending on Bent as our goal scorer. However....this is not the right place to discuss it.... lol COYS!

 

[ExcellentDude]

To be honest I have had enough of this ridiculous situation over one player, I think we should forget Berbatov and look elsewhere. Besides, Berbatov is moody and only plays when he feels like it, in so many matches last season he didn't even turn up. Mr Levy is taking the micky by asking us for 38 million, its time to say adios and goodbye. Samuel Etoo is surplus to requirements at Barcelona so I would rather take him for 20 million, or Huntelaar for 18 million.

I think Mr Levy has blown this whole thing way out of proportion, he has caused bad feeling and embarassement for both Spurs and Utd. If he wants to report us to the PL then go ahead, but there was no need for such an over the top statement.

 

[Stoof]

I think Mr Levy has blown this whole thing way out of proportion, he has caused bad feeling and embarassement for both Spurs and Utd. If he wants to report us to the PL then go ahead, but there was no need for such an over the top statement.

But we have the dossier! The Dossier (of doom).

 

[stemark44]

To be honest I have had enough of this ridiculous situation over one player, I think we should forget Berbatov and look elsewhere. Besides, Berbatov is moody and only plays when he feels like it, in so many matches last season he didn't even turn up. Mr Levy is taking the micky by asking us for 38 million, its time to say adios and goodbye. Samuel Etoo is surplus to requirements at Barcelona so I would rather take him for 20 million, or Huntelaar for 18 million.

I think Mr Levy has blown this whole thing way out of proportion, he has caused bad feeling and embarassement for both Spurs and Utd. If he wants to report us to the PL then go ahead, but there was no need for such an over the top statement.

I would just like to add one or two things before you go.
I really hope you United fans enjoy the next one or two years of success at the highest level because I think that will be your lot for the foreseeable future.

Ferguson - your greatest ever manager,retired -irreplaceable!
Ronaldo - your best player since Best,gone - irreplaceable!
Van der Saar - best since Schmeichel,retired - extremely hard to replace! Remember how hard it was to find a good one?
Giggs/Neville/Scholes - Legends who will never be replaced!

I want you to know that it will be a lovely feeling when your good players (if you have any)begin asking for a transfer to Spurs because they want to experience Champions League football!:hello: