The Mauricio Pochettino thread

[Wick3d]

Nothing wrong with what Poch said. He just mentions that it is something he would like to improve on.

It's always interesting to see how people read and understand what they want in order to fit their own agenda. The headline might be clickbait but the actual article couldn't be any clearer.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

it's just me being able to understand English, but hey I should know better than to say anything not 1000% complimentary about The Great Poch on here.

as you were...

Actually we're currently rolling at 850%

 

[Shadydan]

Nothing wrong with what Poch said. He just mentions that it is something he would like to improve on.

It's always interesting to see how people read and understand what they want in order to fit their own agenda. The headline might be clickbait but the actual article couldn't be any clearer.

Honestly it's so tiring.

People interpret things like that purely to suit their own agenda, it's actually funny that our own fans twist what our managers says and try and make a desperate point out of it, happened with the cup argument where he was talking about priorities and people are adamant that he is totally disregarding the cup

 

[bubble07]

Poch has done an amazing job and put together a fantastic team caveat. On your last part, "and the trophies will surely follow if we keep this team and this manager together." This below is the age of this team by end of the 2022/23 season, in 5 years:

Lloris - 36
Trippier - 32
Sanchez - 26
Vertonghen - 36
Davies - 30
Wanyama - 31
Dembele - 35
Eriksen - 31
Dele - 27
Son - 30
Kane - 29

I'm going to make the assumption that this path, journey, road we are on is part of the current 'era' we are in and we're not talking about 10 years down the line. Assuming we are talking about the trophies surely following occurring with key players still being here. This era we are in has maybe 5 seasons left in it, 5 seasons to achieve our aspiration of winning the league. Beyond that and most likely sooner we're talking about something completely different, we'll have retiring players to replace, declining players to replace, the odd transferred player to replace and we are no longer this team. Sure Poch maybe will be here but it will no longer be building to something, on a journey with this group because most of them won't still be here. 5 years, 5 seasons and if it doesn't happen then i really don't think i'll see it in my lifetime, to believe it will would just be blind faith based on nothing.

Still think the players will say we are a young term still learning

 

[Donki]

Sky and Sportbild saying that Pochettino is being discussed as possible successor Heynckes.

 

[Riandor]

Sky and Sportbild saying that Pochettino is being discussed as possible successor Heynckes.

Not sure why anyone is laughing at your post... it's being mooted as a serious possibility in German circles over here. Or to put it another way, the interest is real, whether or not MP is interested, is an entirely different matter.

I know Dieter Hamann confirmed it amongst others...

 

[Donki]

Not sure why anyone is laughing at your post... it's being mooted as a serious possibility in German circles over here. Or to put it another way, the interest is real, whether or not MP is interested, is an entirely different matter.

I know Dieter Hamann confirmed it amongst others...

Yeah, I believe in Poch and what he says he wants, but Munich is an elite club, he would certainly at least blink at the idea.

 

[Riandor]

Yeah, I believe in Poch and what he says he wants, but Munich is an elite club, he would certainly at least blink at the idea.

One positive factor (for us), is that ideally Bayern want a German speaking manager.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

Obviously, in football anything can happen and nothing should be written off entirely, which is a bit of a habit on SC. But I'd be astonished if anything came of this. Pochettino values loyalty and gives it in the same measure, we have heard this many times, most recently from Ryan Mason. So unless something happens internally that gives him the itch it'd be a great surprise if he just walked away now, especially with the new stadium and all that entails just around the corner.

When these big clubs start thinking about managers, his name is obviously going to be up there on the list, this is normal.

My money is on him being at the club for the start of next season and I think that's a pretty safe bet. Onions.

 

[tommo84]

The same news outlets in Germany which have reported Bayern's interest in Pochettino have reported (only a sentence or two later) that Bayern don't fancy their chances of luring him away from Spurs. So while anything is possible, I'm not concerned. If it was Real or PSG however...

 

[T-Love92]

Poch is under contract, they would have to pay over the odds, something they never done before and especially not for a manager...

My money is on him being at the club for the start of next season and I think that's a pretty safe bet. Onions.

Think so too

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

The same news outlets in Germany which have reported Bayern's interest in Pochettino have reported (only a sentence or two later) that Bayern don't fancy their chances of luring him away from Spurs. So while anything is possible, I'm not concerned. If it was Real or PSG however...

I still wouldn't be worried, I don't think the timing works for that right now.

 

[EmperorKabir]

Poch realistically stays for now:

Barca: The Espanol rivalry issue - but a tenuous problem.

Madrid: Really can't see this - they fire managers for nothing and have their messed up presidential system. Poch wants to be a bit of a Fergie, and Madrid is the last place you can really do that.

PSG: Like Celtic, a one team league that is not up to scratch when champions league games roll around due to a lack of good opposition in the domestic league.

Bayern: Maybe, but still not the strongest of leagues.

Man U: Only if they beat whatever improved contract we can offer.

Chelsea: Same as Man U but even less likely. They have money but they don't squander it to the level that Man U do.

Citeh: Happy with Pep



Money will talk if it's a decent step up though. I really think the onus is on us to offer him Kane sort of wages or a bit more which should bring him in line with other top managers. 200k a week or 10m a year roughly. We may not need to do that for a while though.

 

[Riandor]

Poch is under contract, they would have to pay over the odds, something they never done before and especially not for a manager...
Think so too

Well they are not considered an oil rich Club, have the monopoly over the German league etc... so they don't have to overpay like say Chelsea, Man City, PSG, etc... It's like how Barcelona or Real Madrid don't spend massive (or certainly less) money when they dip into the Spanish market. But overpay is relative... 41,5m for Tolisso or 35m for Hummels, 37m for Götze.

I agree though and with A&C, Poch will always be on these clubs radars when the subject comes around, but I too fully expect him to be here next Season. However, never say never and Bayern is at least a Club with good traditions that rewards loyalty and is big enough/remote (i.e. not England or Spain) enough not to really upset anyone IF he went there.

 

[jimbo]

Obviously, in football anything can happen and nothing should be written off entirely, which is a bit of a habit on SC. But I'd be astonished if anything came of this. Pochettino values loyalty and gives it in the same measure, we have heard this many times, most recently from Ryan Mason. So unless something happens internally that gives him the itch it'd be a great surprise if he just walked away now, especially with the new stadium and all that entails just around the corner.

When these big clubs start thinking about managers, his name is obviously going to be up there on the list, this is normal.

My money is on him being at the club for the start of next season and I think that's a pretty safe bet. Onions.

I'm inclined to agree with you. I'm sure he is aware, as it seems pretty obvious to me that if he should choose to leave at any point - because of changes at the club, a lack of support for his project or whatever - he would be in high demand in all the leagues around Europe. As long as he is happy, there is no reason for him to jump now. He is about as secure as you can be in football management terms and the project is not complete. Keeping him happy is up to Mr Levy to an extent, I would like to think he is smart enough to do that.

 

[hellava_tough]

He'll probably stay for another couple of seasons and see if he can finish what he started at Spurs. If he feels he's taken us as far as he can, I could see him moving on.

However, he knows time is on his side; he's got another 25 years in management and the big jobs will be available on a regular basis, every 2 or 3 years. If he passes on a big job opportunity now, another offer will come up in the medium term. Basically, he'll be in no rush to leave.

The only potential spanner in the works would be if PSG went full-retard and offered him something comparable to the Neymar deal. Everyone's got a price afterall. Plus the old PSG link with him doesn't exactly help our cause. If this did happen, at least Levy would rinse PSG for everything they've got and the mugs would probably pay it too!

We'll see, but like A&C, my money is on him being with us still by the end of next season.

 

[spursfan77]

Sky and Sportbild saying that Pochettino is being discussed as possible successor Heynckes.

Klopp is more likely surely?

 

['O Zio]

Klopp is more likely surely?

I'm not so sure, he's pretty unpopular in Munich to be honest because he's so associated with Dortmund. Not saying it won't happen but I certainly wouldn't be putting any money on him.

All the talk previously was that they had Nagelsmann lined up but I'm not sure where they're at with that now. They supposedly want Heynckes to stay on but he's basically said he's getting to old and wants to spend time with his family etc., which is fair enough.

 

[Donki]

Klopp is more likely surely?

I would lol for a very long time.

 

[StartingPrice]

Yeah, I believe in Poch and what he says he wants, but Munich is an elite club, he would certainly at least blink at the idea.

And what has Pochettino said about managing an elite level club? He says he wants to manage an elite level club - THFC. He wants to make us an elite level club. And once the stadium is completed we will have everything in place to make us an elite level club - so long as there is a shrewd, canny manager in charge. He has faith in his ability. So the question is, having put in so much work into this club, having faith in his ability, having such aspirations and, as some of us repeat endlessly, having such a high regard for loyalty*, is he likely to just jump ship to an elite club when it just means he can spend a load of money, like Guardiola, as a short-cut to actually proving his self-worth is well placed?

Honestly, so many folk really do cast back the present into a past that never existed. Poch has repeatedly referenced Alex Ferguson as an inspiration to be emulated. Did Ferguson manage an elite level club? Yes. Did he take over an elite level club? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
No, he never. When Ferguson took over United they were still considered a member of the Big Five. But there were definitively the least recently successful member of that Big Five. Liverpewel were definitively an elite level club. ArseAnal [spits] were more of an elite level club than United. We were more of an elite level club than United. Same for Everton. We had all won several major trophies in a period where United had won approximately feck all. The fact is, United took a gamble on building a massive stadium at a time when the hoolie problem was driving attendances down, and when they had won approximately feck all for years - and kudos to them for that, as it paid off. And Ferguson took every single opportunity to tell everyone United were the biggest club in the World - when they patently weren't - to the point were opposition teams started believing it and bricking themselves. But if he really wanted to just manage an elite level club he would have been better waiting until there was a vacancy at Liverpool, or taking the job we offered him (in spite of his wife), or even going to the Goons (TF that didn't happen). But he didn't. He wanted to make United an elite level club again - and had faith in his own ability.

This is the programme. Poch has referenced it dozens of times. Literally dozens. He's said if Levy offered him a fifteen year contract right now he would sign it. I don't know why so many Spurs fans choose to ignore all of this and just believe that whenever any club that is currently slightly bigger than us might want him he is just going to go back on everything he has ever said and all the hard work he has ever done and just toodle off sharpish. I don't believe it. He is our manager. I am happy with that and don't even consider it changing for the foreseeable. Not unless Levy manages to seriously piss him off...and ATM that doesn't seem that likely. Come on folks, get with the programme!

*On the subject of loyalty, heavy duty posts have been made about it. How much Poch values it. How much he felt let down by Espagnol repeatedly sell the young players he developed. How much he felt let down by Southampton sacking the chairman he felt a huge degree of loyalty to and refusing to give him guarantees about the players he developed (and then selling seven, or was it eight, first team players in the summer). It matters to him. Does anyone really believe his players would buy into his line about loyalty and a team being about more than a collection of high wage packets if they thought he would just jump ship the first time anyone offered him a five pence bluddy rise?!? He's happy were he is, he earns good bluddy money, he's worked bluddy hard to create what he has stated he wants to create, and he values the loyalty Levy has shown him (when he knows that he would have been gone years ago for not winning anything or not winning enough at one of these elite level clubs, while he implemented his methodology).

Sorry, Donki, not just aimed at you...but this whole thing grates my gears a tad, I'm afraid. It's the extreme cynical view of the life that everyone, without fail, will just cheat and betray anyone and everyone else at the drop of a hat for a few bob. Something history doesn't even justify. And the arch-proponents of this view - a bunch of selfish, greedy, money grubbing ho's who really would sell their own grandmother for an extra farthing.

/Rant