Mendes!

[eddiebailey]

If he isnt good enough for Pompey why would he be good enough for Spurs?

Have you taken a look at our relative league positions lately?

 

[Babylon22]

No, I've always said he's at least two years away. He can't be judged alongside other players as he has to make up ground in his head and learn to read situations like an experienced old pro ie Tugay. His mobility problems are magnified further when he plays with Zokora as he has to play higher up the pitch, where he can find less space and his lack of mobility becomes further exposed. Last season he was being compared to Hoddle, but then both TT and JJ were injured and he was paired with Zokora and it simply doesn't work for him. It happened again this season. He was doing well, but then played 3 dreadful games all alongside Zokora. I do think he may be finished at Spurs. But for a player with his talent it's too early to say write him off. If he can learn to read situations and nip into to intercept the ball, then he could be as good as there is, particualry in a 3 man CM. There have been calls for him to play in a 3 CM for us, but that is a very tactical formation, and very few players of his age are able to play that pivotal role. It's a postion where experience is key. The best recent examples of it in the Prem are Makelele, Hamman and Campo (wise old heads). Look at the best teams in Italy, the most tactical league in the word and you'll see the best sides are dominated by older players.

Pretty sad.But I think alot more players deserve to be shown the door before hudd. We should think bout loaning him out.

 

[joey55]

Have you taken a look at our relative league positions lately?

Eddie, i remember you saying that you thought our best CM pairing of recent years was Mendes/Davis, but I wasn't living in the Uk when they played together, so didn't really get to see them. When I did see Davis, it was in the 2nd half of the season and he looked pretty poor. In your opinion, did he ever get back to fitness after he got injured and was out for a few months? Because, from what i've seen of him at Pompey, he looks like a really good player. He'd easily get into our CM from what I've seen this season and i remember David James saying he is as talented as any CM in the country. Yet you are the only poster I can think of that really speaks highly of him here.

 

[Babylon22]

African nations cup will decimate pompey.

 

[joey55]

Pretty sad.But I think alot more players deserve to be shown the door before hudd. We should think bout loaning him out.

He may well benefit from a loan move abroad to Italy or similar. A more tactically intense playing environment will possibly accelerate his learning of how to read a game. That for me is the key to his future. If he can learn to read a game and position himself effectively, then he can be top class.

From what I've read and the fact he hasn't feature and been in the reserves, it seems unlikley Ramos is going to want him. To be fair, the first live game Ramos was at was Blackburn and I thought the Hudd was absolutely dreadful and easily had his worst game ever for Spurs.

 

[joey55]

African nations cup will decimate pompey.

People exaggerate the signifcance of the ANC. At Spurs we've had bad experiences with it becasue of Kanoute and Mido both losing form after the tournament, so we, more than most fans, don't talk fondly of it. But the truth is most players will only miss 1 or 2 prem games. It must be remembered that Mido missed a few games, but that was because Egypy went all the way to the final. Half the teams will go out in the first round.

 

[eddiebailey]

Eddie, i remember you saying that you thought our best CM pairing of recent years was Mendes/Davis, but I wasn't living in the Uk when they played together, so didn't really get to see them. When I did see Davis, it was in the 2nd half of the season and he looked pretty poor. In your opinion, did he ever get back to fitness after he got injured and was out for a few months? Because, from what i've seen of him at Pompey, he looks like a really good player. He'd easily get into our CM from what I've seen this season and i remember David James saying he is as talented as any CM in the country. Yet you are the only poster I can think of that really speaks highly of him here.

The partnership just seem to gel; they had different strengths and different roles but each had enough of the others game to allow them to interchange effectively. Davis did not look the same player when he came back, but it had been a bad injury and he needed time to get going again. He claims to have felt frozen out, and there were certainly tensions behind the scenes: he and Brown obviously loathed one another, and Brown was a Jol favourite. But I saw him turnout for the reserves a few times and was always impressed by his desire and commitment. Very much the sort of player we could do with right now.

 

[Babylon22]

People exaggerate the signifcance of the ANC. At Spurs we've had bad experiences with it becasue of Kanoute and Mido both losing form after the tournament, so we, more than most fans, don't talk fondly of it. But the truth is most players will only miss 1 or 2 prem games. It must be remembered that Mido missed a few games, but that was because Egypy went all the way to the final. Half the teams will go out in the first round.

Senegal,Nigeria and Ghana usually go far.Hopefully they pick up a few injuries aswell.

Benjani (Zimbabwe)
Kanu (Nigeria)
Utaka (Nigeria)
Muntari (Ghana)
Dioup. (Senegal)

 

[Rocksuperstar]

and if Senegal are playing then that means that chump Diouf will be playing so lets hope he takes a two footer to the back of the knees, that'll cheer me up :up:

 

[tony0379]

always rated him one of the biggest blunders weve made

 

[ChRiStOpHe]

People seem to ignore the fact that Pedro now can't get in the Pompy team. The year they really show their class, and it's without Mendes in the middle.

I always liked him though, and he and Davis definitely gelled well. Despite this, he isn't as good as many make out, and it was good business that we did with Pompy.

 

[AlexSkree]

Mendes is imo a decent player but not the player to take us up the league! He played well as mentioned with Davis for the start of the season but never really kept it up after that! I just think he is of the standard of 4 or 5 players we already have like Tainio, Huddle, Zokora etc!
Its a reason he didnt get much time for us and i really think we should buy better players and real quality instead of top10/top8 players!

 

[TopSpurMan]

Simple fact is that pedro would find his way into our non existant mid field - he was and is a class act -

by the way did anyone see Noe's goal - now why could'nt he do that for us?

 

[joey55]

People seem to ignore the fact that Pedro now can't get in the Pompy team. The year they really show their class, and it's without Mendes in the middle.

I always liked him though, and he and Davis definitely gelled well. Despite this, he isn't as good as many make out, and it was good business that we did with Pompy.

Was it? I think we only got £2.5 million for him, which when you consider we paid about £8 million for JJ, similar for Zokora, £5 million for KPB and £2.5 million for the Hudd, suggests to me they got a pretty good deal. I think we sold Sean Davis for a similar amount aswell. I'd say if there was a winner and loser in those deals, it was Pompey both times.

 

[nickchrissi]

Its a pity people are forgetting that the only name mentioned in this whole thread who's ever won the Uefa Cup and Champions League is Pedro Mendes... but i guess seen as he cant get into the Pompey team he's shit...

IDIOTS!

 

[ghetto_spur]

I would sell Flatters to human trafficking to get Mendes back at the lane.

Always looked a cut above when he played and so unlucky not to get more games.

He deserves to play for a better team than Pompey, he doesn't fit their style - he fits ours, both under BMJ and now Ramos.

VOTE FOR PEDRO!

 

[Bus-Conductor]

To be honest, that trio of Pamarot, Davis and especially Mendes were all good enough to still be in our squad.

I have argued this along time, but I think Mendes could easily have played with Carrick and allowed Carrick the sort of role he has now at MU. Not every game maybe, which is where a Sean Davis comes in. But again I thought davis was better than Brown.

In all I thought that the treatment of Mendes by Jol was piss poor management and it was an early sign of his occasional poor judgement.


Joey

Regarding Huddlestone - part of what you said is wrong. Th stuff about his reading of the game and his mobility is right and I argued this with you ages ago. I told you a while back that he was lacking in certain areas that are vital in todays premiership. I seem to remember you saying that it was just inexperience.

But it has absoloutely nothing to do with playing next to Zokora. If anything it is more of a problem when he is given more responsibility. In fact last season many of Huddlestnes best games were next to Zokora. Slava, Wigan(H), Boro(H), Bucharerst, Villa(H). The games Huddlestone didn't do so well in were the often pressure games. Nothing to do with who sat next to him but who got up him.

His reading and reaction would make giving him the "Carrick Spurs" role a problem. I think,as someone else has said, he would have made a great sweeper, and would as you say be more valid in a 5 midfield.

 

[ChRiStOpHe]

Was it? I think we only got £2.5 million for him, which when you consider we paid about £8 million for JJ, similar for Zokora, £5 million for KPB and £2.5 million for the Hudd, suggests to me they got a pretty good deal. I think we sold Sean Davis for a similar amount aswell. I'd say if there was a winner and loser in those deals, it was Pompey both times.

It was £7m for the trio, widely believed to be £3m for Pedro/Davis, and £1m for Pamarot. Pompy signed 3 Premiership quality players for £7m, which in my opinion is good business. We also sold 3 players who were barely getting a look in for £7m. That too is good business.

Just because we paid £9m for JJ (£7m, increased to £9m when we qualified for the UEFA Cup), doesn't mean that he's 3 times the player Mendes is. It means we over paid for JJ. Pedro was good value for Pompy at £3m, but so what? Mendes a good player, but no more. We were offered £3m for him, which is a fair price. It's not a great deal (I never said it was), but it's certainly not a bad one when you consider we paid £2m for him, and he wasn't getting in our first team.

Its a pity people are forgetting that the only name mentioned in this whole thread who's ever won the Uefa Cup and Champions League is Pedro Mendes... but i guess seen as he cant get into the Pompey team he's shit...

IDIOTS!

Oh, God :lol:

Who said he's shit. Let me see anyone who's said he's shit. Anyone? No.

Don't even begin to bring the UEFA/Champions League into this! For starters, he wasn't an 'untouchable' at Porto. He was actually a squad player, often behind the likes of Maniche, Costinha and Deco. Secondly, and this is the biggy... DJIMI FUCKING TRAORE has won the Champions League. Not only that, but liked Mendes, he played in the final. Would you want him at Spurs? :|

To be honest, that trio of Pamarot, Davis and especially Mendes were all good enough to still be in our squad.

Sorry to delete a load of your post from the quote, but I think that opening paragraph says it all. Is he good enough to still be with us? Yes, definitely. Is he good enough to take us to the next level? No way.

 

[Flatters]

I would sell Flatters to human trafficking to get Mendes back at the lane.

Always looked a cut above when he played and so unlucky not to get more games.

He deserves to play for a better team than Pompey, he doesn't fit their style - he fits ours, both under BMJ and now Ramos.

VOTE FOR PEDRO!

I doubt you'd get much for me, though I'm sure still plenty to buy Pedro. He's not good enough. Just a very very very very very poor man's Carrick. Very very. Very.