Morgan Schneiderlin

[Hoddtastic72]

If he can improve each of those players significantly maybe we could get 4th?

 

[greaves]

I can see it now! Poch has a good first season but we only finish 5th playing some exciting football.
He improves the likes of townsend, walker, rose etc and they are sold to "so called bigger teams" for an inflated price!
Due to Pochs success he is poached by Madrid!
Far fetched or is this just the spurs way??

It's not the Spurs way. It's just the way. Read my best selling paperback, 'The Way'.

 

[mw828]

Yeah a lot of those posts on the last page were just comical. The Southampton players are worth a lot based on potential and perceived longevity not current or past quality. That is why we can comfortably finish ahead of them despite their squad possibly having a higher value in the transfer market.

Shaw/Schneiderlin/Clyne/Shaw/Chambers/Ward-Prowse/Lovren/etc are all expected to improve quite a bit. Only Lambert and Lallana really standout as guys being sold/linked to other clubs that are at or past peak. They are also worth a lot more because a lot of them are English/homegrown.

 

[crokey]

Just looked at a few statistical comparisons between Paulinho, Dembele and Schneiderlin. Dembele's stats are the most surprising.

Premier League last season.

Pass completion- Dembele 91% Paulinho 84% Schneiderlin 89%.

Total forward passes per 90- Dembele 31.57 Paulinho 29.12 Schneiderlin 39.68

Key passes per 90- Dembele 1.54 Paulinho 0.72 Schneiderlin 0.94

Chances created per 90- Dembele 1.59 Paulinho 0.8 Schneiderlin 0.98

Assists per 90- Dembele 0.05 Paulinho 0.08 Schneiderlin 0.03

Interceptions per 90- Dembele 0.89 Paulinho 1.21 Schneiderlin 2.21

Tackles won per 90- Dembele 2.87 Paulinho 1.97 Schneiderlin 2.83

Successful take ons- Dembele 82.72% Paulinho 73.53% Schneiderlin 58.33%


I think what's interesting about these is that Schneiderlin and Dembele could operate very well together. Dembele's main weakness seems to be forward passes. It is unclear whether this is more to do with Pochettino's tactics rather than purely Morgan's ability, but he seems to excel in forward passes. This could be ideal as we maintain the unique abilities that Dembele offers (particularly duels and take-ons) whilst also moving the ball forward quickly with Schneiderlin.

Could make us think again about whether Dembele should be the one to make way.

Not too suprising, Dembele is our best midfielder

 

[crokey]

According to our fans-

Lovren= Much better than Dawson, would slot right in at RCB, well worth 25M
Shaw= Gonna be world class
Clyne=Would be an upgrade on Walker
Rodriguez=Would sort us out at LWF
Schniederlin=Better than Paulinho, Sandro and Capoue and worth 20M
Lallana= We missed out, top player.

So if they had a better Manager too, how did we ever finish above them?

I'd say its more like

Lovren=good defender for 10-15m
Shaw=gonna be world class
Clyne=Better than Naughton
Rodriguez=would settle for him if worst comes to worst
Schneiderlin=jack of all trades, master of none
Lallana=overpriced

 

[Blake Griffin]

I'd say its more like

Lovren=good defender for 10-15m
Shaw=gonna be world class
Clyne=Better than Naughton
Rodriguez=would settle for him if worst comes to worst
Schneiderlin=jack of all trades, master of none
Lallana=overpriced

i agree with much of this, harsh on jay rod though, he'd be a good edition(injury pending) but we know that signing an english player would go down like a lead balloon on here. schneiderlin i haven't see a great deal of but he's never wowed me, he's basically the in thing currently but whether he's actually better than what we have i'm not sure.

 

[Sweech]

i agree with much of this, harsh on jay rod though, he'd be a good edition(injury pending) but we know that signing an english player would go down like a lead balloon on here. schneiderlin i haven't see a great deal of but he's never wowed me, he's basically the in thing currently but whether he's actually better than what we have i'm not sure.

Would it actually? Or is it because we're linked with ones that aren't particularly exciting or are massively overpriced (Lallana is overpriced past English tax IMO). I think european signings get ridden just as hard as any of the previous english ones. There's pretty much the same percentage of supporters to haters ratio on these boards.

 

[Blake Griffin]

Would it actually? Or is it because we're linked with ones that aren't particularly exciting or are massively overpriced (Lallana is overpriced past English tax IMO). I think european signings get ridden just as hard as any of the previous english ones. There's pretty much the same percentage of supporters to haters ratio on these boards.

british players are massively underrated on this site, i'm not sure how you've failed to notice that.

 

[Sweech]

british players are massively underrated on this site, i'm not sure how you've failed to notice that.

Sometimes they are, by a very select few. I've also found that a select few also massively overrate them. I wouldn't say they're underrated by the vast majority.

Plus lets be honest have we really been linked with any really good ones anyway?

 

[Blake Griffin]

Sometimes they are, by a very select few. I've also found that a select few also massively overrate them. I wouldn't say they're underrated by the vast majority.

Plus lets be honest have we really been linked with any really good ones anyway?

who are the "good" ones? apparently only one or two are good enough for the mighty spurs judging by some posts in the jack rodwell thread. there's such prejudice against english players from our fans, they won't acknowledge their qualities and are all too happy to just write them off as being technically shit, mentally thick/weak and hideously overpriced. yet you give them some lad from the beaches of rio for £17m quid and they'll drop to their knees and worship.

 

[newbie]

I'm not totally sure about this. Moreover, there is a bit of a halo effect going on at Southampton at the moment

If they had all these £20m/£25m/£30m players and such a great manager, then why the hell didn't didn't they finish higher?

I mean seriously (and recognising that I'll probably get neg repped for this) two defenders and two midfeilders in the £20m+ bracket and an England striker. That's pretty punchy!

I do feel their players are over priced right now.

I think this guy is a good player, but it's a position where we have a lot of depth. To an extenet I'd like to see what a good coach (which I hope Poch is) can get out of our group of players, which I think is a pretty talented (if slightly disparate) group

I have been trying to work this out myself, then again I don't think they had players as good as us just ours under performed, what would Dembele, sandro, walker, Lennon be worth first half of last season ? After This season how much would Eriksen and Bentalab be worth personally think eriksen is one of the most underrated players our team should be built around getting him the ball in the final third his delivery is so good.

 

[newbie]

who are the "good" ones? apparently only one or two are good enough for the mighty spurs judging by some posts in the jack rodwell thread. there's such prejudice against english players from our fans, they won't acknowledge their qualities and are all too happy to just write them off as being technically shit, mentally thick/weak and hideously overpriced. yet you give them some lad from the beaches of rio for £17m quid and they'll drop to their knees and worship.

I think Rodwell had a negative reaction as his been injured for so long / no one has seen him play in ages he sold his soul to city and a chunk of his career.

 

[Blake Griffin]

I think Rodwell had a negative reaction as his been injured for so long / no one has seen him play in ages he sold his soul to city and a chunk of his career.

i didn't mean rodwell specifically but most don't want to accept that england have a very talented bunch of players right now. i think they even believe we have a superior squad to choose from.

 

[Sweech]

i didn't mean rodwell specifically but most don't want to accept that england have a very talented bunch of players right now. i think they even believe we have a superior squad to choose from.

You're also picking 2 posters and making it sound like it's all of them. Perhaps they're a loud minority, but they're still just a minority.

If you can't see that most of your statements are massive hyperbole I can't help.

 

[borgsta]

i didn't mean rodwell specifically but most don't want to accept that england have a very talented bunch of players right now. i think they even believe we have a superior squad to choose from.

Most of the really talented English players are at clubs bigger than us already. What's left over isn't very good.

 

[LiamJM10]

According to our fans-

Lovren= Much better than Dawson, would slot right in at RCB, well worth 25M
Shaw= Gonna be world class
Clyne=Would be an upgrade on Walker
Rodriguez=Would sort us out at LWF
Schniederlin=Better than Paulinho, Sandro and Capoue and worth 20M
Lallana= We missed out, top player.

So if they had a better Manager too, how did we ever finish above them?

lol at the bolded. I'd rather have a fit Younes or Vlad over spending 25m on someone like Lovren. He's not THAT good.

Clyne is not better than Walker. That's absolute bullshit.

Rodriguez isn't the answer to our left wing role. He's good, but not great. We need someone great. You think J-Rod is a long term solution?

Schneiderlins not better than any of them either. Paulinho's class, but had a poor season, Sandro's Sandro and Capoue hasn't had a chance to prove himself.

We should be looking at LBs first, then LMs, then a CB/ST in equal standing.

 

[Hoddle&Waddle]

lol at the bolded. I'd rather have a fit Younes or Vlad over spending 25m on someone like Lovren. He's not THAT good.

Clyne is not better than Walker. That's absolute bullshit.

Rodriguez isn't the answer to our left wing role. He's good, but not great. We need someone great. You think J-Rod is a long term solution?

Schneiderlins not better than any of them either. Paulinho's class, but had a poor season, Sandro's Sandro and Capoue hasn't had a chance to prove himself.

We should be looking at LBs first, then LMs, then a CB/ST in equal standing.

Read the top line of my post.

 

[Mr Pink]

Read the top line of my post.

But its not according to our fans...where has anyone said that Lovren is worth 25 million?

 

[Hoddle&Waddle]

But its not according to our fans...where has anyone said that Lovren is worth 25 million?

Of course I was generalizing, but there were plenty of our fans still happy to sign him even after the big fee's started getting mentioned. Go have a look at the Lovren thread.

 

[HotspurResi]

Don't see why we need schneiderlein, even if we sold Sandro we have enough midfielders, Dembele, Capoue, Paulinho, Holtby, To name a few that play that same position! Too much money also!