Morgan Schneiderlin

[prawnsandwich]

I think it's a depressingly cynical viewpoint but I occasionally find myself believing the conspiracy that Levy occasionally just creates the appearance of interest to please a manager. I don't know if that applies to this situation, however. I think if anything we're just far too late to the party.

I don't think their chairman can possibly save face from the most recent comments, so hopefully we'll come back in next year assuming he doesn't turn into Karl Henry or something.

It's a tough situation because no we won't be fucked without him, but anyone who has watched a lot of him knows what we would look like WITH him, and it's probably worth going big for.

Remember Hoddle and Ricketts?
Don't like to speak ill of the dead but Levy must remember Hoddle and Richards.

 

[TheUltimateHotspur]

Grey Fox says thats utter bollox

My source says Grey Fox is talking utter bollox. I trust him over Fox any day of the week.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

My source says Grey Fox is talking utter bollox. I trust him over Fox any day of the week.

My friend, not a single person is going to believe you over Grey Fox.

 

[prawnsandwich]

My source says Grey Fox is talking utter bollox. I trust him over Fox any day of the week.

What has grey fox said and why is it bollox?

 

[Grey Fox]

My source says Grey Fox is talking utter bollox. I trust him over Fox any day of the week.

Do you or your friend really believe that Levy would go in with a £10M bid for someone who is thought of as one of the keys to Southamptons success last season when he has seen others go for north of £20M and a kid go for £16M? Give the man some f****** credit, ask yourself why he would try to piss off Southampton in a deal that Poch really wants to see done.
EDIT apologies this should have been a reply to @TheUltimateHotspur

 

[sloth]

Do you or your friend really believe that Levy would go in with a £10M bid for someone who is thought of as one of the keys to Southamptons success last season when he has seen others go for north of £20M and a kid go for £16M? Give the man some f****** credit, ask yourself why he would try to piss off Southampton in a deal that Poch really wants to see done.
EDIT apologies this should have been a reply to @TheUltimateHotspur

Don't rise to it mate, leave it to the mods.

In terms of the info, even if confident @TheUltimateHotspur there's ways of posting that don't have to be antagonistic and which in particular don't involve denigrating others. The thing to remember is we're all on the same side here!

 

[TheUltimateHotspur]

My friend, not a single person is going to believe you over Grey Fox.

I couldn't give a rats arse.

 

[TheUltimateHotspur]

What has grey fox said and why is it bollox?

I don't know what he said. Just going on what I have been told. They don't agree with him that is all I know. Considering I don't know the bloke I'll trust my source over him. Seems like that is not allowed on here. Fair enough.

 

[TheUltimateHotspur]

Do you or your friend really believe that Levy would go in with a £10M bid for someone who is thought of as one of the keys to Southamptons success last season when he has seen others go for north of £20M and a kid go for £16M? Give the man some f****** credit, ask yourself why he would try to piss off Southampton in a deal that Poch really wants to see done.
EDIT apologies this should have been a reply to @TheUltimateHotspur

Yeah I do actually. As Levy is a tight git. It's right up his street.

Why are you so annoyed anyway? I'm only going on what I have been told and he doesn't agree with you. He has his sources you have yours. Don't see what the problem is to be honest.

 

[prawnsandwich]

I don't know what he said. Just going on what I have been told. They don't agree with him that is all I know. Considering I don't know the bloke I'll trust my source over him. Seems like that is not allowed on here. Fair enough.

LOL.
Never mind!
What are you/your source saying? I am inclined to believe the papers today that say we have put in a bid for £10 mill and that is it.

 

[TheUltimateHotspur]

Don't rise to it mate, leave it to the mods.

In terms of the info, even if confident @TheUltimateHotspur there's ways of posting that don't have to be antagonistic and which in particular don't involve denigrating others. The thing to remember is we're all on the same side here!

Don't rise to it mate, leave it to the mods.

To be fair I was only replying to another post and quoting my source. Talk about over reacting. Suffering Christ.

 

[TheUltimateHotspur]

LOL.
Never mind!
What are you/your source saying? I am inclined to believe the papers today that say we have put in a bid for £10 mill and that is it.

I don't have a clue what is going on, I get my info from an old mate of mine from another forum. He has genuine contacts with the club. My source told me months back we were in for Schneiderlin. At least two weeks before the link got to the press/media. Pocho wants him bad, he was his number 1 target. I presuming he still is. We had only offered 10m plus 3m add ons. That is all I know from our end.

Looks like the saints want a lot more which is fair enough.

 

[wpd659]

My source says Grey Fox is talking utter bollox. I trust him over Fox any day of the week.

Mite be worth talking to @Archibald&Crooks , @Stoof , @Rob or another Mod with your source if you want to pass on ITK on the forum. Especially if your going to talk like that.

 

[Led's Zeppelin]

I think it's a depressingly cynical viewpoint but I occasionally find myself believing the conspiracy that Levy occasionally just creates the appearance of interest to please a manager. .............

We hear this often enough, but it just doesn't make any sense though. How would it please a manager who no doubt knows far more about what's going on than any of us do?

If Levy knew he wasn't prepared to pay the asking price for a player he would gain more credit from any moderately sensible person by simply telling them so, and he's not so stupid that he doesn't know that, and he does it often enough to demonstrate that he has no problem doing it.

So you'd have to believe that Levy was simultaneously monumentally stupid, transparently and unnecessarily dishonest with the people he most depends on to trust him, a big fan of high-risk low-return strategies, and not interested in concentrating on what is most likely to make the club successful but would prefer to waste time playing daft games that get no one anywhere. A kind of Harry Redknapp without the intellect or integrity.

Either that or you'd have to believe that Pochettino is a complete fool who can be bought off with a playground lie that even the supporters can see through.

The thing is, Levy is well known for driving a hard bargain (not always successfully, but that's a different matter) and for not worrying too much about being unpopular with the people he works with or deals with, so why on earth would he play this sort of rank amateur game to "please" a manager? It's as though you believe he actually wants Spurs to fail and plots innovative ways to make it happen.

 

[TheUltimateHotspur]

Mite be worth talking to @Archibald&Crooks , @Stoof , @Rob or another Mod with your source if you want to pass on ITK on the forum. Especially if your going to talk like that.

Like I said my source said he was talking bollocks not me. I don't know the Fox.

Am I not allowed to trust somebody else who isn't a poster on this forum when it comes to information about the club?

 

[Gedson100]

Not gonna get involved here but when the news broke about Rodriguez and Schneiderlin I suggested that we'd probably gone in with a joint bid of £18-22m and they'd likely told us to do one.

It is Levy's style to go very low to start with, he might end up paying a good fee but he'll rarely start with a high bid. Over the years, there's been a number of occasions where we've supposedly been 'in for' someone and later there's been talk of our bid being ludicrously low, so he's got form.

And now a couple of people are adamant that we've been bidding very low for Schneiderlin; it's not that much of a stretch really & could explain why Southampton have been so adamant that they won't sell. The deal could have been very much alive until a bid went in & if SOuthampton have committed any amount of time or effort to facilitating a deal for us then only to receive a poor bid, no wonder they'd be cheesed off.

Anyway, whatever we have bid, is clearly well under what they want or will accept, be it 10-15 or 20 million hence the fact we're seemingly nowhere with this deal.

 

[TheUltimateHotspur]

Not gonna get involved here but when the news broke about Rodriguez and Schneiderlin I suggested that we'd probably gone in with a joint bid of £18-22m and they'd likely told us to do one.

It is Levy's style to go very low to start with, he might end up paying a good fee but he'll rarely start with a high bid. Over the years, there's been a number of occasions where we've supposedly been 'in for' someone and later there's been talk of our bid being ludicrously low, so he's got form.

And now a couple of people are adamant that we've been bidding very low for Schneiderlin; it's not that much of a stretch really & could explain why Southampton have been so adamant that they won't sell. The deal could have been very much alive until a bid went in & if SOuthampton have committed any amount of time or effort to facilitating a deal for us then only to receive a poor bid, no wonder they'd be cheesed off.

Anyway, whatever we have bid, is clearly well under what they want or will accept, be it 10-15 or 20 million hence the fact we're seemingly nowhere with this deal.

Well said. Levy has a history of bidding low, this is not a new thing with us.

 

[Led's Zeppelin]

Not gonna get involved here but when the news broke about Rodriguez and Schneiderlin I suggested that we'd probably gone in with a joint bid of £18-22m and they'd likely told us to do one.

It is Levy's style to go very low to start with, he might end up paying a good fee but he'll rarely start with a high bid. Over the years, there's been a number of occasions where we've supposedly been 'in for' someone and later there's been talk of our bid being ludicrously low, so he's got form.

And now a couple of people are adamant that we've been bidding very low for Schneiderlin; it's not that much of a stretch really & could explain why Southampton have been so adamant that they won't sell. The deal could have been very much alive until a bid went in & if SOuthampton have committed any amount of time or effort to facilitating a deal for us then only to receive a poor bid, no wonder they'd be cheesed off.

Anyway, whatever we have bid, is clearly well under what they want or will accept, be it 10-15 or 20 million hence the fact we're seemingly nowhere with this deal.

It's perfectly possible that we've made a low bid, but that's not the same as making a bid with no intention of doing the deal. That would just be stupid and a waste of time and whatever else you think of Levy, you can be sure he won't be a fan of literally wasting valuable time.

Also, we know there are many ways of presenting an offer and even after deals have been concluded the reports of the fee can vary by over 100% depending on the source, so I'd be very wary of allowing reputations that in themselves are built on shaky foundations from influencing how you interpret reports that , even when in the best of good faith, are hardly authoritative.

 

[Teddysmith]

Surely the saints chairman could've come out and said "MS is not for sale and spurs offered us a snickers and an Oyster card for him- he is worth far more to us and is an important part of the team and our plans"

This would've been a better hands off and making us look like we don't value him and prove this so called really low bid

Instead he has left the door open a little for us to bid again!

 

[Gedson100]

It's perfectly possible that we've made a low bid, but that's not the same as making a bid with no intention of doing the deal. That would just be stupid and a waste of time and whatever else you think of Levy, you can be sure he won't be a fan of literally wasting valuable time.

Also, we know there are many ways of presenting an offer and even after deals have been concluded the reports of the fee can vary by over 100% depending on the source, so I'd be very wary of allowing reputations that in themselves are built on shaky foundations from influencing how you interpret reports that , even when in the best of good faith, are hardly authoritative.

It's not hard to imagine Levy thinking 'I'll start with £12m + add ons with a plan to go up to £15m+£3m if required' and Southampton thinking 'His price is £27m, maybe £25m to do a deal'

It hasn't happened so far, we're at an impasse & it's entirely conceivable that never the twain shall meet.

We've had ITK saying 'it's an expensive deal', we've also had plenty saying they think it'll happen.

If pushed i'd be landing on the cynical side of this one.