MOTD thread

[ljinko888]

A one off 20 minute show with no discussion wasn't so bad but it would get a bit boring after a while. There's a massive thread on the forum specifically about what pundits are saying about us even though 90% of it is pushing back against them. It's not unique to us. Every club has that desire to be discussed in the media which then leads to discussions among ourselves. If you really only care for the highlights only you can already watch 2-3 minute highlights of the saturday 3pm games on the sky sports youtube channel within an hour of the full time whistle.

 

[Mate]

Our highlights were wank and provided no further clarity on Richy's 'offside' goal.

 

[Trent Crimm]

It's a bollocks distinction, Phil and we all know it because if Lineker wanted to be more nuanced he wouldn't have gone with "reminiscent of 1930's Germany".

The laughing emjois are because you're running a laughable thesis. Everyone knows what Lineker meant and why he used the exact words he used.

The real issue is that people like yourself, and @'O Zio and @Thenewcat know it's problematic to casually invoke 1930's Germany because it's pretty goddam offensive to a lot of people who were murdered by the Nazis. You don't want to be problematic but you also think the government are acting like Nazi's and don't want to water down that self-righteousness. Fair enough. Hyperbole has its place. Gets the message across. But you remain uncomfortable...

Which leaves all of you making a completely nonsensical circular argument whereby Lineker isn't calling the Government Nazi's but is also calling them Nazi's but you know there's and important distinction that you plebs don't get but we do ...

There is no distinction. Lineker wrote what he wrote. A lot of us agree with his sentiment. Some of us are uncomfortable with this choice of analogy. Some think it's total bollocks. But please don't insult your intelligence and mine with this "important distinction" bollocks. I'm not litigating Lineker and you're not his lawyer (afaik)

Anyway - he should never have been stood down and the Govt shouldn't be interfering with BBC but that's a proper and more meaningful debate.

 

[Albertbarich]

MOTD is a dinosaur. Plodding along in some 1950 format.

Think of the money we could save if we got rid of em all and the tired old bollocks that’s trotted out every week.

The millions saved could instantly give pensioners free licence fees back.

I agree with lineker by the way, but maybe he’s done us all a favour by falling on his own sword and taking shearer, Murphy etc with em.

It's the same as all the other football shows.

The punditry is lazy and often Ill informed and cliche driven.

Lineker is a particular waste of money. I'm sure others don't want to say this right now because if what he's doing but to pay him that much is mental. Nobody is tuning in for Gary Lineker. It's not like ITV have a show at the same time is it.

You need a capable presenter with charismatic well known pundits (if you have to format the show that way)

Paying someone 2 million quid to present football highlights is a huge waste of money

 

[Albertbarich]

Know what would be good. Red button choose your team and watch extended highlights of them ( like the first match they show)whilst the main feed has the same sort of package as the current model with the 'expert opinion' replaced with extra footage

 

[Tucker]

It's the same as all the other football shows.

The punditry is lazy and often Ill informed and cliche driven.

Lineker is a particular waste of money. I'm sure others don't want to say this right now because if what he's doing but to pay him that much is mental. Nobody is tuning in for Gary Lineker. It's not like ITV have a show at the same time is it.

You need a capable presenter with charismatic well known pundits (if you have to format the show that way)

Paying someone 2 million quid to present football highlights is a huge waste of money

He fronts all their live coverage too, as well as things like SPOTY and other sports occasionally. He’s paid the going rate, or probably slightly below that. I imagine he’d earn way more at Sky or Itv and I’m pretty sure he was on more pro rata from BT for doing their CL stuff.

He’s an easy target for the likes of the daily mail because he earns a lot and the bbc is funded by the public. But like I said his salary is far from unusual in the business he’s in.

 

[SirHarryHotspur]

With MOTD speechless, Spursplay certainly comes in handy with full match commentary and some analysis in the N17 review show.

 

[Thenewcat]

Yes he did. You don't have to agree with the BBC impartiality guidelines or govt interference but when lineker writes "reminiscent of 1930's Germany" we all know very well what he meant - the blokes trying to steal the Arc of the Covenant not, say, modernist fucking architecture or something...
Sheesh

Everyone who isn't deliberately trying to obfuscate knows EXACTLY what Lineker meant by "reminiscent of 1930's Germany". I'm just pointing that out and laughing at the very few - albeit passionate and quick on the neg rep button

Everyone knows what Lineker meant and why he used the exact words he used.

You don't want to be problematic but you also think the government are acting like Nazi's and don't want to water down that self-righteousness

I’ve given you one negative rating (for accusing me of lacking self respect for daring to not agree with you). I’ve disagreed numerous times because you keep doubling down on the same nonsense.

Saying someone used language that was reminiscent of nazi germany is not the same as saying the policies are or that the people saying it are Nazis. You’re just wrong and absolutely no one is agreeing with you, but you keep calling everyone else weird. I even gave you an example (the Putin gay rights analogy) which you ignored, I assume because you don’t have a sensible counter argument. Add in your own extremely careless use of language (like when you conflated asylum seeking and illegal immigration) and maybe it’s just that you don’t understand its importance.

I’m quite certain lineker chose the words on purpose, probably to shock people into realising that’s the way this debate is being framed and maybe hoping to embarrass those responsible into dialling it down. The latter was always a long shot, as evidenced by 36 tories asking for an apology and an independent investigation.

 

[Thenewcat]

It’s particularly hilarious that 36 Tories are demanding an investigation, because there is nothing to investigate on lineker’s side (he said what he said and hasn’t denied it or backed down) so the only outcomes for the tories are negative - why are the BBC cracking down on lineker when the likes of Andrew Neil and Alan Sugar were fine, what pressure was applied from government, what role did the tories placemen in the bbc take in the decision etc. Bring on an investigation, it’s a massive own goal

 

[dontcallme]

I’ve given you one negative rating (for accusing me of lacking self respect for daring to not agree with you). I’ve disagreed numerous times because you keep doubling down on the same nonsense.

Saying someone used language that was reminiscent of nazi germany is not the same as saying the policies are or that the people saying it are Nazis. You’re just wrong and absolutely no one is agreeing with you, but you keep calling everyone else weird. I even gave you an example (the Putin gay rights analogy) which you ignored, I assume because you don’t have a sensible counter argument. Add in your own extremely careless use of language (like when you conflated asylum seeking and illegal immigration) and maybe it’s just that you don’t understand its importance.

I’m quite certain lineker chose the words on purpose, probably to shock people into realising that’s the way this debate is being framed and maybe hoping to embarrass those responsible into dialling it down. The latter was always a long shot, as evidenced by 36 tories asking for an apology and an independent investigation.

Good post.

It's also worth noting that Linekar is far from the only perosn who sees correlations between the adjectives Braverman uses to describe immigrants and how the Nazi's did.

But like always, many people are flat out too stupid to understand pointing out a singular correlation is not the same as a complete comparison.

 

[Bobbins]

He didn’t accuse the government of being nazis though did he? Still why let the facts get in the way of fake outrage

I never said he did

 

[dontcallme]

They have to remain politically impartial - Lineker of course doesn’t as he isn’t an employee - and accusing the government of being Nazis doesn’t fit the criteria.

He didn’t accuse the government of being nazis though did he? Still why let the facts get in the way of fake outrage

I never said he did

I'm finding your posts very confusing. You keep writing things, then claiming you didn't say it. Is your point that you didn't say it, you wrote it?

 

[teok]

 

[spursfan77]

This is much better

Definitely. If they offered this as an option every week I’d watch it instead of the main programme.

Every channel should give the option of no commentary during games. I’ve been watching football for 30 odd years, I don’t need to be told what I’m watching every second. Plus hearing the fans is great. Elland Road’s atmosphere sounds great and ours does too after a goal until they turn the microphones down bizarrely.

Also, having no pundits afterwards telling me why Kane should leave us and go to Man Utd is an added bonus.

 

[SirHarryHotspur]

Bet he voted Leave

 

[spursfan77]

I quite liked it. Though annoyingly today was one of those I actually wanted to hear discussions and opinions on certain VAR decisions.

SSN on Monday mornings is the one to record for that sue smith and Stephen warnock do the best job on tv of analysing games. If it’s boothroyd on, who sometimes deputises, don’t bother. He’s a moron of the agbonlahor, Darren bent, Jason candy persuasion.

 

[nailsy]

I just watched the rerun. It's good, and with a few tweaks like better graphics to explain some of the refereeing decisions to more casual fans, it could be very good.

 

[cider spurs]

Just told the missus that Emmerdale is now toying with the idea of following suit, muted highlights I told her.

 

[IfiHadTheWings]

Bet he voted Leave

Nah, he has all the tells of an ardent remainer…the Union Jack flag cape being the most clear.

 

[Thenewcat]

Bet he voted Leave

That’s an unfair assumption. He might not be able to read or tell the time and therefore missed the vote entirely