MOTD thread

[Aleks]

I think the pundits have overplayed their hand here, BBC are about to find out they've been wildly overestimating the importance of pundits for decades. People only care about pundits when the options are good pundits vs shit ones. Well they're about to find out people are very happy to have option 3 which is no pundits and the BBC is gonna be over the moon when they find out how much they can save

People will just watch highlights on YouTube instead

 

[dontcallme]

People will just watch highlights on YouTube instead

This is what I mostly do anyway. Most analysis focuses on refereeing decisions and big moments and don’t inform about the game anyway.

 

[Tucker]

I do think Lineker is a prat and I do wonder if he is just trying to come off as a good guy sometimes.

Didn't he once criticise people for not taking refugees in their homes?

However, he shouldn't be held to standards when they don't apply to others - simply because they criticise or abuse the 'right' people

No. He said something about how we should be more compassionate to asylum seekers and some Tory chinless wonder attacked him saying “well why don’t you offer a family rooms in your mansion.”

Lineker put his money where his mouth is and did house refugees. I think he’s continued to do so since as well.

So he’s clearly not virtue signalling.

 

[Tucker]

I can’t be the only one that watches MOTD to see what the pundits say? If I wanted to just watch the highlights I can do that on YouTube at about 6pm.

I’ve also enjoyed their top tens podcast type thing too. Some great stories on there from the likes of Lineker, Shearer, Wright and Richards.

 

[Thenewcat]

Lineker's paid 2m out of the public broadcasting budget per annum. Big money, and the price for that is impartiality. If you feel the insupressable need to join the ranks of the self-appointed activists, that's fine - so long as you resign your post and forgo your payments out of the public purse. You cannot have your cake and eat it.

Being employed to talk about football doesn’t justify suppression of free speech. The fact that he wouldn’t have the same issue if the government agreed with his tweets is even more concerning. Anyone who can’t tell the difference between a sports presenter’s personal opinion given on their own Twitter account and the BBCs editorial position is either a moron, intentionally obtuse or both

 

[dontcallme]

I can’t be the only one that watches MOTD to see what the pundits say? If I wanted to just watch the highlights I can do that on YouTube at about 6pm.

I’ve also enjoyed their top tens podcast type thing too. Some great stories on there from the likes of Lineker, Shearer, Wright and Richards.

I think you might be.

Their extended highlights are decent but the reason I don’t watch anymore is because the punditry takes so much time and it’s shit. I end up feeling like I have no idea what happened in the match outside of goals, chances and refereeing decisions.

 

[Tottenhamboy85]

I can’t be the only one that watches MOTD to see what the pundits say? If I wanted to just watch the highlights I can do that on YouTube at about 6pm.

I’ve also enjoyed their top tens podcast type thing too. Some great stories on there from the likes of Lineker, Shearer, Wright and Richards.

I watch the highlights on YouTube so I don’t have to watch motd and hear their outfits

 

[Tucker]

I think you might be.

Their extended highlights are decent but the reason I don’t watch anymore is because the punditry takes so much time and it’s shit. I end up feeling like I have no idea what happened in the match outside of goals, chances and refereeing decisions.

I just like hearing the chat. Not too much and not quite as inane as the regular sky punditry. I actually wish they’d do a more in depth show in the week for the more hardcore football fans. Something a bit like MNF.

 

[McFlash]

I can’t be the only one that watches MOTD to see what the pundits say? If I wanted to just watch the highlights I can do that on YouTube at about 6pm.

I’ve also enjoyed their top tens podcast type thing too. Some great stories on there from the likes of Lineker, Shearer, Wright and Richards.

I'm with you.
Maybe it's because I grew up watching MOTD and while it may not be perfect, it's much better than so much of the other football related stuff out there.

There's usually a good chemistry between the presenters and while I may not agree with everything they say, it's a fucking entertainment show.
People seem to forget that.

 

[dontcallme]

I just like hearing the chat. Not too much and not quite as inane as the regular sky punditry. I actually wish they’d do a more in depth show in the week for the more hardcore football fans. Something a bit like MNF.

Fair points. They are doing the show not long after the games finish.

I just get frustrated as I don’t find them entertaining and there is a huge lack of information.

A Monday night show going in more depth would be good but my guess is they’d still focus too much on refereeing decisions, transfers and anything except the actual game.

 

[Aleks]

Being employed to talk about football doesn’t justify suppression of free speech. The fact that he wouldn’t have the same issue if the government agreed with his tweets is even more concerning. Anyone who can’t tell the difference between a sports presenter’s personal opinion given on their own Twitter account and the BBCs editorial position is either a moron, intentionally obtuse or both

or a right winger who is trying to obfuscate the situation

 

[Thenewcat]

or a right winger who is trying to obfuscate the situation

I felt that was covered by both elements of my last sentence

 

[Tucker]

Fair points. They are doing the show not long after the games finish.

I just get frustrated as I don’t find them entertaining and there is a huge lack of information.

A Monday night show going in more depth would be good but my guess is they’d still focus too much on refereeing decisions, transfers and anything except the actual game.

I’d move Football Focus to a Friday evening and completely change it. Choose a different home team every week who are going to be playing a big match that week and go in depth on what their tactics are, what their strengths and weaknesses are etc etc. Could be interspersed with highlights of the previous weeks games with things to look out for this weekend. Goal of the week, referee analysis and transfer gossip.

 

[McFlash]

Yeah, MOTD is basically just a highlights show and there's only so much they can cram into the time they have.
They can't go in depth into everything, so they mainly just have to go with the headline moments.
I think it's harsh for people to criticise it for not being what they want it to be, just appreciate it for what it is, the only football show on terrestrial telly.

 

[Tucker]

Yeah, MOTD is basically just a highlights show and there's only so much they can cram into the time they have.
They can't go in depth into everything, so they mainly just have to go with the headline moments.
I think it's harsh for people to criticise it for not being what they want it to be, just appreciate it for what it is, the only football show on terrestrial telly.

They’ve also got to cater for more casual fans than we all probably are. Even more so when it’s a live game.

 

[dontcallme]

Yeah, MOTD is basically just a highlights show and there's only so much they can cram into the time they have.
They can't go in depth into everything, so they mainly just have to go with the headline moments.
I think it's harsh for people to criticise it for not being what they want it to be, just appreciate it for what it is, the only football show on terrestrial telly.

Your last sentence is what makes it an irrelevance to me.

You can get the same level of highlights and analysis online now very easily.

 

[chavkev]

The interesting thing for me here is this is where everyone realises that the deal with well known people has changed thanks to social media. We have activist footballers, formula one drivers and TV presenters

We know a lot more than we ever used to about their views and this is not going to change. The BBC and other media organisations (and indeed the public) will have to realise that the paradigm has shifted hugely in this area.

I mean for instance my favourite player in the 90s was Teddy. I have no idea what Teddy thinks about pretty much anything as that wasn't the deal in those days. Whereas Harry Kane had to weigh up the consequences of wearing a rainbow armband at the world Cup.

I suppose what I am trying to say at length, is that the world has changed and the public and media will have to change with it.

 

[Gassin's finest]

Well this thread became disappointing.

 

[nailsy]

Exactly this. Ultimately nobody gives a shit who presents motd, if there's even anyone at all.

The issue is this despicable tory government being able to call in a favour off one of their mates from the old boys club and have people effectively censored for expressing a perfectly reasonable opinion. It wasn't even on air/at work.

It's a very very slippery slope if this sort of thing is allowed to happen.

People saying it'll be a better show for it seem to be missing the point entirely.

There seems to be quite a few people on here that don't understand the point of this situation and have resorted to making off hand "funny" comments that are quite banal and do nothing.

Also regarding the point about the World Cup someone brought up. Linekar was able to criticise the World Cup with no issues before or even criticised Corbyn before. Didn't seem like a problem then, being "political"

It's only a problem when he criticises the tories and their policies (on his own private account)

The fact his commentators and the rest of the presenters are standing in solidarity is a good thing.

A bit condescending to dig out people for talking and joking about Match of the day in the MOTD thread. People have been talking about the presenters and the format of the show in this thread for years so the recent events are bound to attract comments. If you want to get into the politics of it that's fine, but don't dig out others who don't want to.

For what it's worth I think the whole thing is ridiculous and hypocritical. How many times have you seen politicians get destroyed by comedians on BBC shows? How often have the BBC taken task with tweets by the likes of Frankie Boyle? Hopefully the support that Lineker gets will show that people's lives aren't owned by the people they work for, but I suspect that long-term this will hurt the BBC which probably isn't a win for anybody.

 

[Bobbins]

So your basically not allowed an opinion on anything if you work for the BBC.

Can see this spreading beyond MOTD over the coming days.

Even if others don’t share Linekers views, they have to stand up to their right to be able to express their own opinions whilst they aren’t working.

Despite the fact that they’ve specifically signed contracts which mean they CAN’T express their opinions on political issues?

It’s the basis of the BBC’s existence.