MOTD thread

[chas vs dave]

I don't see anything wrong with what Lineker said, he wasn't out of order as far as I can see.
What was so bad about it?

Comparing the rhetoric to nazi Germany?

Talk of contracts is a red herring. It’s a company guideline that isn’t specific to individual contracts.

If there’s a problem with Lineker speaking up (which I don’t believe there is) then there’s a problem with Sugar doing it, or Brady for that matter who also appears on the apprentice but donates large sums to the Tories.

The bbc caved to government pressure. It was cowardly and wrong.

It was cowardly and wrong to compare policy in regards to people coming over in boats illegally to nazi Germany.

The fact of the matter is that there is severe problems with human trafficking, and people being Exploited. People coming over this way are likely to be victims of this.

Lineaker just weaponises this as point scoring, just to justify his political bias.

His point removes a valid debate about how we change immigration for the better, and turns it into a left vs right debate. I posted 2 links that are fairly justifiable in criticising his post.

 

[chas vs dave]

Do you believe that the new Asylum laws are just, if you consider his view as unjustified?

I'm not sure they are. However, they aren't nazi esque. They take the focus away from the migrant crisis and human trafficking issue that is happening now across Europe.

 

[Johnny J]

And if you bothered to pay attention you would know why. The Corbyn tweet was made in 2017. His latest contract with the BBC - which includes specific guidelines about not making political comments - was signed in 2020. Do you get it now?

You've seen that contract? Genuine question. The situation is not as simple as you're suggesting.

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

It was cowardly and wrong to compare policy in regards to people coming over in boats illegally to nazi Germany.

That's not exactly what Lineker said...




He talks about the language being used by the government. And, he is not wrong.

 

[Gassin's finest]

I'm not sure they are. However, they aren't nazi esque. They take the focus away from the migrant crisis and human trafficking issue that is happening now across Europe.

The tweet criticised the language being used to deliver the law, as being not dissimilar to that used in 1930s Germany.

What about that is unjustified?

 

[Nebby]

You've seen that contract? Genuine question.

Of course not. But the BBC issued a statement, which you can read on multiple news sites, that details what’s in it. He must have known what the BBCs response would be.

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

I think one of the reasons that Lineker's reference to Nazi Germany has struck such a nerve among some - its much closer to the truth than they want to acknowledge.

If it was outlandish - then it would have been dismissed out of hand.

 

[Marty]

That's not exactly what Lineker said...




He talks about the language being used by the government. And, he is not wrong.

Exactly. There is a lot more nuance to what Lineker wrote than "OMG the govt are nazis LOL", which is pretty much what the cancellers are claiming he said.

What he raised are perfectly valid points, a factually correct statement about immigration levels in the UK and a comment on language that is backed up by historians. Whether or not his contract allows him to, as usual all nuance is gone because people are claiming he wrote something he didn't.

 

[chas vs dave]

The tweet criticised the language being used to deliver the law, as being not dissimilar to that used in 1930s Germany.

What about that is unjustified?

The language is nowhere near the same. The language was not even comparable to 1930's Germany.

Gary Lineker doesn't understand the Holocaust

It’s like clockwork. Every few months the government announces a new plan to tighten immigration policy and then, within seconds, you find ‘1930s Germany’ trending on Twitter. From the moment a picture of the Prime Minister’s flashy ‘Stop the Boats’ podium emerged, it became obvious what the...

unherd.com

 

[Johnny J]

Of course not. But the BBC issued a statement, which you can read on multiple news sites, that details what’s in it. He must have known what the BBCs response would be.

You mean this statement?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/statements/gary-lineker-match-of-the-day

 

[McFlash]

Comparing the rhetoric to nazi Germany?


It was cowardly and wrong to compare policy in regards to people coming over in boats illegally to nazi Germany.

The fact of the matter is that there is severe problems with human trafficking, and people being Exploited. People coming over this way are likely to be victims of this.

Lineaker just weaponises this as point scoring, just to justify his political bias.

His point removes a valid debate about how we change immigration for the better, and turns it into a left vs right debate. I posted 2 links that are fairly justifiable in criticising his post.

I think you may be reacting to the headlines, rather than what he actually said because he doesn't compare anything to Nazi Germany apart from similar language being used to what they did in the 30's.
And I think he's perfectly correct in what he said.

You should take a look at the Jonathan Pie video posted earlier in this thread.

 

[chas vs dave]

I think one of the reasons that Lineker's reference to Nazi Germany has struck such a nerve among some - its much closer to the truth than they want to acknowledge.

If it was outlandish - then it would have been dismissed out of hand.

How is it closer to the truth? Explain? Freedom is not being eroded.

 

[Nebby]

You mean this statement?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/statements/gary-lineker-match-of-the-day

No. You want the full statement. But I guess you knew that.

 

[Johnny J]

How is it closer to the truth? Explain? Freedom is not being eroded.

They are literally proposing to detain refugees and asylum seekers with no legal recourse, trial or right of appeal.

 

[Johnny J]

No. You want the full statement. But I guess you knew that.

What full statement? I'm not trying to catch you out here. Can't find any other statement about Lineker on the BBC media room, just that one. Can you link this full statement?

 

['O Zio]

A bit condescending to dig out people for talking and joking about Match of the day in the MOTD thread. People have been talking about the presenters and the format of the show in this thread for years so the recent events are bound to attract comments. If you want to get into the politics of it that's fine, but don't dig out others who don't want to.

For what it's worth I think the whole thing is ridiculous and hypocritical. How many times have you seen politicians get destroyed by comedians on BBC shows? How often have the BBC taken task with tweets by the likes of Frankie Boyle? Hopefully the support that Lineker gets will show that people's lives aren't owned by the people they work for, but I suspect that long-term this will hurt the BBC which probably isn't a win for anybody.

I didn't mean to sound condescending so I apologize if i came across that way.

Obviously I'm not bothered about people taking the piss and having a laugh, thats a different kettle of fish.

 

[Tucker]

FFS it’s Lineker. It’s not Linaker, Lineakar, Linikar or Linekar.

He scored in a cup final for us and captained England. It’s not a hard name to spell.

 

[Johnny J]

FFS it’s Lineker. It’s not Linaker, Lineakar, Linikar or Linekar.

He scored in a cup final for us and captained England. It’s not a hard name to spell.

Good point Teckar.

 

[chas vs dave]

I think you may be reacting to the headlines, rather than what he actually said because he doesn't compare anything to Nazi Germany apart from similar language being used to what they did in the 30's.
And I think he's perfectly correct in what he said.

You should take a look at the Jonathan Pie video posted earlier in this thread.

Do you not read the article I linked by a qualified historian?

I'll repost it.

Gary Lineker doesn't understand the Holocaust

It’s like clockwork. Every few months the government announces a new plan to tighten immigration policy and then, within seconds, you find ‘1930s Germany’ trending on Twitter. From the moment a picture of the Prime Minister’s flashy ‘Stop the Boats’ podium emerged, it became obvious what the...

unherd.com

Is Johnathon Pie a recognised expert now?

Lineaker hasn't done this because he actually cares about the plight of immigrants. The fact is that immigration, is different to the issue surrounding people travelling illegally on boats.

He's skirting over the actual issues, just to push his own political agenda.

 

[Albertbarich]

I can’t be the only one that watches MOTD to see what the pundits say? If I wanted to just watch the highlights I can do that on YouTube at about 6pm.

I’ve also enjoyed their top tens podcast type thing too. Some great stories on there from the likes of Lineker, Shearer, Wright and Richards.

On my life I never knew you could watch them on YouTube .

I've got this big fancy set up that I researched so I can watch games and yet I didn't know that!

And yeah I have zero interest in what the pundits say. It's not insightful, usually full of cliches as they haven't seen the whole game and most of the time I wouldn't value their opinions anyway.

I only watch MOTD if we win and I get time. If we lose or even draw I don't wanna see that shit