MOTD thread

[Brian]

 

[beats1]

Just as a point of reference. The Nazis targeted immigrants too and spoke of invasions of Slavs etc etc.

Between 7 to 9 millions now jewish slavic people were killed by the nazi's. Though these numbers are often broken down by Russian, Polish, Serbian and etc.

 

[0-Tibsy-0]

 

[Johnny J]

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Epic climbdown from Davie. Love to see it. He clearly had to get Lineker and sport back on air as the number one priority. And they do badly need to review their ambiguous and inconsistent guidance.

 

[Johnny J]

 

[philll]

Good on him for that final thought, he could very easily have just put the first 2 tweets out.

 

[Tucker]

Good on him for that final thought, he could very easily have just put the first 2 tweets out.

Kind of underlines that he’s not the one who’s had to back down here.

Not sure how Davie Gibb or Sharp’s positions are anywhere near tenable now. All they’ve served to do with this is highlight the rank hypocrisy at work from those that run the BBC and how the government have managed to hobble the corporations independence by appointing their cronies to key positions.

 

[Trix]

Kind of underlines that he’s not the one who’s had to back down here.

Not sure how Davie Gibb or Sharp’s positions are anywhere near tenable now. All they’ve served to do with this is highlight the rank hypocrisy at work from those that run the BBC and how the government have managed to hobble the corporations independence by appointing their cronies to key positions.

Blair/Labour did exactly the same with Sir John Birt. It's pretty much par for the course to appoint someone sympathetic to your cause to lead the "impartial BBC" imo.

Birt's Labour past revealed as fight for succession hots up

A final bout of campaigning before the appointment of the next director-general of the BBC saw the incumbent, Sir John Birt, revealed yesterday as a former member of the Labour party.

www.theguardian.com

 

[degoose]

No, he said similar language. Which wasn't true. Nazi Germany was using language against people who were citizens within their own country hence why the majority of the anti immigration rhetoric occurred in places like the UK in the 1930s.

I'm condoning the uk government.

The Boat issue is actually a real problem. Not for every day working people, but for the increasing number of people who on said boats are victims of exploitation. From modern slavery, to women being put into sex slavery. It isnt affecting John the builder, who thinks his job is being taken, but there is a risk of an ever increasing black economy.


Again, nazi Germany wasn't actually anti immigration. Their policies were more towards Jews from within Germany. Anyway, we can keep going round in circles. I've been critical to both parties

The mass exodus lead to anti immigration sentiment in the uk/Europe.

Do you think the boat issue, isn't a major issue?

Modern slavery is on the rise. The black economy in the UK is growing year on year.

The majority of the people being ferried on boats are being Exploited by criminal enterprises. Its really got nothing to do with people on boats taking peoples jobs.

Modern slavery in the UK - Anti-Slavery International

Modern slavery still thrives in Britain today, with up to 13,000 estimated to be victims of trafficking. Find out how people end up in slavery in the UK.

www.antislavery.org

And yes, you are right. It isnt the biggest issue. Tax evasion is much worse, Gary probably won't talk about that one...

thank you for talking sense.

 

[the yid]

I personally feel celebrities should keep there political agendas to themselves. Yes there are wrongens in the world but most people gain an opinion based on life experiences and are not bad people because they have and opinion you disagree with. Political opinion is the biggest cause for divide and I think public figures only make that worse like we've seen here with this issue. You see comedians doing sets about Brexit that the majority voted for (I didn't) and practically calling all the people that did idiots. Well actually they just voted for what they thought was best for country.

 

[Yid-ol]

I personally feel celebrities should keep there political agendas to themselves. Yes there are wrongens in the world but most people gain an opinion based on life experiences and are not bad people because they have and opinion you disagree with. Political opinion is the biggest cause for divide and I think public figures only make that worse like we've seen here with this issue. You see comedians doing sets about Brexit that the majority voted for (I didn't) and practically calling all the people that did idiots. Well actually they just voted for what they thought was best for country.

Few issues with that (for me)

I might see someone as a celebrity, but others dont, or other way round. Where is the line drawn?

This also then splits it so some people get freedom of speech, others don't. Doesn't seem right to me.

 

[SirHarryHotspur]

I personally feel celebrities should keep there political agendas to themselves. Yes there are wrongens in the world but most people gain an opinion based on life experiences and are not bad people because they have and opinion you disagree with. Political opinion is the biggest cause for divide and I think public figures only make that worse like we've seen here with this issue. You see comedians doing sets about Brexit that the majority voted for (I didn't) and practically calling all the people that did idiots. Well actually they just voted for what they thought was best for country.

On celebs , think Glenda Jackson , Arnold Schwarzenegger, Clint Eastwood to name just three politically involved celebs might disagree with you , in a democracy anybody should be able to express their view.

 

[easley91]

Agreed. Wouldn't be against the BBC making this a Red Button or iPlayer option.

Having it as an alternative option is probably the best way to go. I would have liked commentary over the highlights, post match interviews and a discussion re certain decisions and tactical analysis. Especially on Saturday after Richy's non-goal. Gives the viewer the option.

 

[Sid Tottenham]

I don't think celebrities should get involved politically personally, they don't live in the real world so invariably it breeds contempt.
Politics and religion two slippery slopes especially on a message board where nuance is impossible to convey.
so imma do a homer and disappear into this hedge here.
I welcome Lineker back where he can talk about what he knows about.
As long as he doesn't try to say he was racially abused again for having a suntan , I lost a bit of respect for him there.
Fwiw I think his intentions are good though.
However there's a famous quote about good intentions isn't there?
(Disappears into hedge)

 

[AtoubaToothpaste]

Just as a point of reference. The Nazis targeted immigrants too and spoke of invasions of Slavs etc etc.

By making these comparisons are you suggesting that you honestly foresee the Tories going on to commit genocide in the order of millions because they want to stop illegal boat crossings? (FWIW, I hate the Tories, but these arguments seem crazy to me).

 

[AtoubaToothpaste]

It feels like someone is clutching at anything and everything to ignore what some of us are actually saying, from the holocaust, to some weird rant about porn, to the fact that the Nazis weren't speaking about immigrants but their own people (?!) and now to human trafficking...with a little dig about tax evasion thrown in.

None of which really has anything to do with what anyone has been saying.

I'm intrigued; which language exactly is that you (and others) think is reminiscent of 1930's Germany? Are there any quotes you could share that would help us make this comparison?

 

[SirHarryHotspur]

I don't think celebrities should get involved politically personally, they don't live in the real world so invariably it breeds contempt.
Politics and religion two slippery slopes especially on a message board where nuance is impossible to convey.
so imma do a homer and disappear into this hedge here.
I welcome Lineker back where he can talk about what he knows about.
As long as he doesn't try to say he was racially abused again for having a suntan , I lost a bit of respect for him there.
Fwiw I think his intentions are good though.
However there's a famous quote about good intentions isn't there?
(Disappears into hedge)

Do politicians live in the real world ?

 

[Marty]

By making these comparisons are you suggesting that you honestly foresee the Tories going on to commit genocide in the order of millions because they want to stop illegal boat crossings? (FWIW, I hate the Tories, but these arguments seem crazy to me).

I don't think anyone's suggesting that.

But all signs of fascistic policies and tendencies need to be called out so they can be nipped in the bud. If that continues to happen, then we don't have to worry that it'll get out of hand under this or any future government.

 

[Tucker]

By making these comparisons are you suggesting that you honestly foresee the Tories going on to commit genocide in the order of millions because they want to stop illegal boat crossings? (FWIW, I hate the Tories, but these arguments seem crazy to me).

No. I clearly said no such thing. Neither did Lineker fwiw. The Tories are pandering to the far right with these policies and rhetoric. They’re playing a very dangerous game.

 

[Marty]

I'm intrigued; which language exactly is that you (and others) think is reminiscent of 1930's Germany? Are there any quotes you could share that would help us make this comparison?

Listen to the two minutes this takes and tell me the language used isn't fascistic.