Moussa Dembélé

[Dharmabum]

Did you, as I did, go on to read about the Sex Education piece as well?????

I must have totally missed the point - as not everyone on here understand some of the British humour.
I am old enough to know enough about sex - unlike you it seem. I am sure you enjoy Sex Education a lots as you seem to have lots to lear

 

[Nigel Spinal]

I know others will disagree but I like that it's the Guardian. I think this is reliable compared to Sky or the red tops.

Yeah - Guardian and Telegraph have about a 30% strike rate on their transfer stories. The rest range between about 6-17% IIRC.

 

[Nigel Spinal]

Fingers crossed we can wrap this up soon. And then a possible Fazio departure aside, we can shut up shop on the deadline day madness.

It's so nice having a strong squad and a strategic approach to transfers isn't it.

It's like we're a proper big club, like Barcelona or United under Ferguson.

 

[talkshowhost86]

Sounds like you are

Wow....smart.

Anyway....can we at least agree to wait until the end of the window before we start whinging about the lack of signings and how awful Levy is and how terrible it all is that we're only 4th in the league?

 

[GetSpurredOn]

I know others will disagree but I like that it's the Guardian. I think this is reliable compared to Sky or the red tops.

Yeah - Guardian and Telegraph have about a 30% strike rate on their transfer stories. The rest range between about 6-17% IIRC.

So how does The Independent fare on story success?
As they linked us with Dembele, Maddison and Lookman last night.

It's so nice having a strong squad and a strategic approach to transfers isn't it.

It's like we're a proper big club, like Barcelona or United under Ferguson.

I reckon signing Dembele or Berahino, plus sorting who's Alderweireld's understudy since Fazio isn't in the mix, that'll be a pretty good January window.

Throw in the likes of Maddison, Lookman and maybe Henry, signed now to join in the summer, and we probably will be set for a quiet summer. I can live with that. Spend the summer letting them develop/mature together as a squad, and get up to speed on Pochettino's demands, rather than the usual transfer bedlam. Then go down the Barca route from there on, promote from within, whilst adding one quality signing every summer, a player capable of coming straight into the starting lineup, thus an imstant improvement. One major signing rather than multiple mid range gambles.

 

[longtimespur]

I must have totally missed the point - as not everyone on here understand some of the British humour.
I am old enough to know enough about sex - unlike you it seem. I am sure you enjoy Sex Education a lots as you seem to have lots to lear

I think I may be older than you, not necessarily wiser,
I just wondered if you had read the piece about Australians being given sex education that was on the same page. Nothing meant by it.

 

[mil1lion]

They're directly comparable. People citing performances as him looking "out of place" saying he looks better in a different position etc. etc. etc. Seriously, read the threads from back then, I could literally sub out the player names and the positions in question and the arguments are identical.

I still think Dier's best position is and will be at CB, but being able to "do a job" is a lot better than people often give it credit for.

People seem to want to just sign someone whose job title is "striker" or "center forward" even though Son has shown he can do it (albeit not better than Kane but the list of those who can is very short) and we have seen the likes of many players who are called "strikers" or "center forwards" play much worse than Son has.

Hey I was one of the ones that said give Dier a chance at DM before doubting him. The trouble is you and others keep missing the point that I haven't said Son can't play there, but it's not his favoured position. What do you not understand about that? It's not about the fact that Son can already play that position, it's about getting a centre forward who does something different.

I don't understand why people are opposed to strenghtening the squad. Do you honestly think the harmony of the team will be affected by bringing in a striker? If we sign Dembele and he doesn't do well enough this season then he doesn't play. The kid is only 19 and we're thinking beyond just this season. What's clear is that we have a lot of games per season, if we go all the way in the cups we could have up to 30+ more games to play.

When Njie returns in addition to possibly Dembele coming in we're going to have great strength up top. Not only that but we'll have variety and different strengths to select from. If Kane gets injured maybe Son steps in, but then we need cover for him too so he doesn't burn out. All the top teams have great strength in every position. If we're serious about pushing for the title then we have to be strong everywhere. Centre forward is the one area where we're a little light.

 

[TottenhamLegend]

plus sorting who's Alderweireld's understudy since Fazio isn't in the mix

Dier IMO, with Bentaleb / Mason slotting into CM. Or even playing with the Dembele - Alli pair in the "easier" games.

 

[Waxman]

Dier, Wimmer and Njie were all teenagers we've signed from abroad in the past 18 months. A higher proportion than we've signed from lower league in England (currently 1 at the moment)

We've signed considerably more English players from lower leagues.....

Dawson & Reid
Walker & naughton
Lennon
Rose
Bostock
Trippier
Routledge
Defoe

All in recent years (probably more than this, these are just the ones on top of Alli that sprang to mind)


Not a bad hit rate!

 

[Sweech]

Hey I was one of the ones that said give Dier a chance at DM before doubting him. The trouble is you and others keep missing the point that I haven't said Son can't play there, but it's not his favoured position. What do you not understand about that? It's not about the fact that Son can already play that position, it's about getting a centre forward who does something different.

I don't understand why people are opposed to strenghtening the squad. Do you honestly think the harmony of the team will be affected by bringing in a striker? If we sign Dembele and he doesn't do well enough this season then he doesn't play. The kid is only 19 and we're thinking beyond just this season. What's clear is that we have a lot of games per season, if we go all the way in the cups we could have up to 30+ more games to play.

When Njie returns in addition to possibly Dembele coming in we're going to have great strength up top. Not only that but we'll have variety and different strengths to select from. If Kane gets injured maybe Son steps in, but then we need cover for him too so he doesn't burn out. All the top teams have great strength in every position. If we're serious about pushing for the title then we have to be strong everywhere. Centre forward is the one area where we're a little light.

My only objection is adding a player in a sub-optimal time to do so.

If Dembele/who-ever is the best we could do now or in the summer then do so, but don't get one now if there's a better player available in the summer.

Chances are nearly anyone we get in won't really affect the rest of our season and if they're sub-optimal it will just add to the outgoing bin in a couple years and I was hoping we had put the days of throwing shit at walls behind us.

Son has barely started games so the argument of burning him out is not one I'm buying. Nor is the argument that another position is better to play him at because quite frankly we have good players to play all those positions as well, not exactly like we're weakening the squad by playing Son there.

Expecting to bring anyone in and have them kick-off and start games for us in the case of a Kane injury without a pre-season with Poch is also incredibly optimistic.

 

[Dharmabum]

I think I may be older than you, not necessarily wiser,
I just wondered if you had read the piece about Australians being given sex education that was on the same page. Nothing meant by it.

Oh ok I did not see it so I missed the pun, sorry

 

[cliff jones]

Wow....smart.

Anyway....can we at least agree to wait until the end of the window before we start whinging about the lack of signings and how awful Levy is and how terrible it all is that we're only 4th in the league?

With respect anyone wanting to praise or criticise rthe leadership should not have to wait till someone of a contrary point of view deems it fit to do so.

We got shot of two of our three strikers last window and replaced neither. Ideally one would have come in early enough to do a preseason. Dont dismiss the relevance of that, poch and the boys speak about its benefit a lot. Levy bought no insurance on kane and lucked out. He might do so again, who knows, but is it worth risking this seasons efforts to date? Nope. could we invest and finish higher than fourth? Yep.

A marginally bigger bid for this lad from fulham on new years day could have seen him halfway integrated by now, and perhaps more ready to contribute than he would be if signed on deadline day.

Would poch pick him instead of kane v the italians and could he do the job? Or will we bow out like a powder puff of soldados boot again?

All ifs and buts i know but my opinion isn't yours and that's good for this board, surely?

 

[voxy28]

am I reading people complaining about signing a striker? Am I not in a Spurs forum...

 

[Shadydan]

am I reading people complaining? Am I not in a Spurs forum...

Fixed

 

[SpartanSpur]

With respect anyone wanting to praise or criticise rthe leadership should not have to wait till someone of a contrary point of view deems it fit to do so.

We got shot of two of our three strikers last window and replaced neither. Ideally one would have come in early enough to do a preseason. Dont dismiss the relevance of that, poch and the boys speak about its benefit a lot. Levy bought no insurance on kane and lucked out. He might do so again, who knows, but is it worth risking this seasons efforts to date? Nope. could we invest and finish higher than fourth? Yep.

A marginally bigger bid for this lad from fulham on new years day could have seen him halfway integrated by now, and perhaps more ready to contribute than he would be if signed on deadline day.

Would poch pick him instead of kane v the italians and could he do the job? Or will we bow out like a powder puff of soldados boot again?

All ifs and buts i know but my opinion isn't yours and that's good for this board, surely?

Everyone was all for signing MD2 on a buy-and-loan-back scenario, as we aren't exactly flush with strikers in the academy (Harrison possibly but still too young). Dembele was a standout in a very good fulham team at youth level and is scoring goals in the Championship already. It's the sort of signing we should always look out for.

Now we are short on options I can't see what the problem is with drafting him in. Poch might still opt to use Son or Chadli as a false 9 in some games but if we are signing the lad he might as well be available in case we need him. Worst case scenario he is third choice striker at a top PL club and he has a good few months training and bedding in to his new club.

No brainer really. In fact there could still be an argument for trying to get a Berahino in also after wrapping this up with a view to re-exploring the loan back.

 

[Buster18]

I'm at the stage I'd settle for Kevin Davies coming out of retirement if it gave us cover for CF.

 

[CockOnBall]

Without reducing to anyone is better than no one, we do need a specialist striker who can fill the role is only to give Kane a break. I've seen people argue that Son can do that role but IMO he should be in the first XI every week so is therefore in need of rest/rotation just as much as Kane. Granted Son has played less games than Kane but we cannot ask him to play 3 games a week between now and May.

I've not seen Dembele play much but he's got a very good goal record for a struggling side. I'd also be impressed if he turned down more lucrative contracts abroad to sign for us. Shows he's got sporting ambition.

 

[benny]

We've signed considerably more English players from lower leagues.....

Dawson & Reid
Walker & naughton
Lennon
Rose
Bostock
Trippier
Routledge
Defoe

All in recent years (probably more than this, these are just the ones on top of Alli that sprang to mind)


Not a bad hit rate!

+
Bale (ok, so Welsh but signed from an English club )
Huddlestone

 

[voxy28]

when Son play, Poch sets it up a false 9. So he is playing a forward rotating with the wide players..... there is no exact Kane to buy so Poch will need to adapt his tactics against opposition base on the players at his disposal.

So Dembele sounds like a Kanoute which is a different player compare to all the forwards we have... just fucking sign him I say.

 

[Nigel Spinal]

So how does The Independent fare on story success?
As they linked us with Dembele, Maddison and Lookman last night.



I reckon signing Dembele or Berahino, plus sorting who's Alderweireld's understudy since Fazio isn't in the mix, that'll be a pretty good January window.

Throw in the likes of Maddison, Lookman and maybe Henry, signed now to join in the summer, and we probably will be set for a quiet summer. I can live with that. Spend the summer letting them develop/mature together as a squad, and get up to speed on Pochettino's demands, rather than the usual transfer bedlam. Then go down the Barca route from there on, promote from within, whilst adding one quality signing every summer, a player capable of coming straight into the starting lineup, thus an imstant improvement. One major signing rather than multiple mid range gambles.

I'd like to see Veljkovic promoted in Fazio's place. Or failing that 2CV. The last thing we want is another Ryan Nelson.

I'm not sure about Maddison, Lookman and Henry (i.e. not sure that there's any truth in the stories). I think we'll only buy selectively to fill gaps. And in those positions we are already very well stocked/have better prospects
- Winks as 6th choice CM behind Dier, Mason, Dembele, Bentaleb and Carroll
- Oduwa as 9th choice AM
- Rose and Davies both performing excellently at LB and both still young.