My thoughts one week on - Levy, AVB, and Spurs fans.

[Montasura]

So I've sat back and taken it all in this week, I've dipped into Spurs chat just a few times but not posted much so I thought I'd finally have my say.

A week ago we were humiliated, not for the first time this season, and as a result AVB lost his job. Whether he was sacked or he walked I honestly don't know, although it is largely irrelevant IMO. Either way he is gone and we now have 'interim Tim', as one poster called him, in charge. Was it right for AVB to go? Yes I think it was, although I've been left feeling empty because of it. I wanted him to succeed, to prove his doubters wrong, and to show the World what Spurs are capable of. But in the second half of the Liverpool match he looked like a broken man, as did the players. I don't believe there was any way back for him from that moment onwards. So yeah, I think he probably had to go although I will never be entirely sure.

Is Levy a monster for orchestrating this? No I don't think so. I'm not one of the BsodL as A&C calls them but I do think he is one of the better chairmen around. Sure he has made mistakes but I also believe that the club has consistently progressed under his tenure. Spirits were high during the summer window and nobody, including Levy, could have seen this coming. I think it all happened very quickly and it has certainly left us in a tricky position, but I don't think it is the end of the world.

Are we a club in turmoil? Well to read the opinions of fans both here and elsewhere I would imagine THFC is on its deathbed and we will all shortly be on the hunt for a new club to support. Thankfully this is a load of bollocks. Lest anyone forget we still managed to pick up a good few points this season and we sit not too far off the top 4. Unfortunately it is also a difficult season in terms of other teams with the usuals picking up points where expected, Suarez on a mission to break records, and Everton looking like a serious contender as well. So it is tight in the top half of the table.

But we have a good squad of talented players, mostly internationals. We all raved during the summer and there is no reason to stop thinking they are capable of contending just because AVB couldn't get them playing well together with his tactics. I would hope that whoever takes over will encourage them to get forward a bit more and to express themselves a bit more. If they are allowed to play to their strengths then this squad of players can achieve things, of that I am sure.

So what is it that annoys me so much that I fee the need to start a completely new thread? Us lot, the fans of course. What I have witnessed here over the last week is nothing short of lunacy. Sure we all have opinions, agreements and disagreements, but I've seen more disgusting and abusive comments aimed towards other members on here and aimed towards Spurs staff and players, than I think I've ever witnessed before. Right now its like RAWK on steroids and it is completely embarrassing.

And what tops that list for me is the bile and vitriol spewed towards Tim Sherwood. Rightly or wrongly this is the man who has been tasked with taking charge until a decision is made on the future. He had little notice of that before having to field a team for West Ham. It certainly looked like he gave that a better stab than AVB did and came away with a slightly more flattering scoreline. Will he get good performances and results from this squad? I don't know, but he deserves to have some fucking support all the same. And the same applies to whoever gets the job permanently and also to every player that walks out on the pitch in a Spurs kit.

Anarchy, turmoil, and chaos at Spurs? Jesus wept. A half decent points return so far, a good and talented squad of players, and the likelihood that whoever is in charge will play more attacking football than we did under AVB. Of course I'm not happy about how this season has played out and what has happened, but it isn't the end of the world either. But whatever happens our guys need support and that goes for whoever takes charge of them as well. They need to hear our support home and away. They need to know that we still want them to succeed.


And yes, I'm well aware that I've posted this an hour before kick off today, and I'm well aware that if we get turned over then I am going to massively regret posting this!!

 

[THX2208]

 

[riggi]

No one gives a fuck what you think.

Montasura out.

 

[Montasura]

No one gives a fuck what you think.

Montasura out.

In fairness I might have to do some serious backtracking after just seeing Timmy's lineup for today. He's certainly got people talking though!!!

 

[Vecellio]

Many fair points. Regarding what I would call long term concerns:

I don't hate Levy or anything but..I think he has made his bed, now he must lie in it.
ie. Which top quality managers would even consider coming here with a trigger happy chairman and a history of sackings? That means that we would have to get really lucky getting an unproven up and coming manager of real quality, or more realistically we will get someone more mediocre and settle into mediocrity. One possibility is we will attract people who don't care about the long term instability and just happy to have a season or two with a great pay packet - a depressing proposition but I feel a realistic one.

I wasn't a huge Redknapp fan but I remember thinking when we sacked him: 'Wow, that's kinda debatable, because who can we attract who is a definite upgrade on him?' I always thought AVB was a strange choice, we were appointing someone unproven in the PL, who had failed at Chelsea.

 

[SpursManChris]

So I've sat back and taken it all in this week, I've dipped into Spurs chat just a few times but not posted much so I thought I'd finally have my say.

A week ago we were humiliated, not for the first time this season, and as a result AVB lost his job. Whether he was sacked or he walked I honestly don't know, although it is largely irrelevant IMO. Either way he is gone and we now have 'interim Tim', as one poster called him, in charge. Was it right for AVB to go? Yes I think it was, although I've been left feeling empty because of it. I wanted him to succeed, to prove his doubters wrong, and to show the World what Spurs are capable of. But in the second half of the Liverpool match he looked like a broken man, as did the players. I don't believe there was any way back for him from that moment onwards. So yeah, I think he probably had to go although I will never be entirely sure.

Is Levy a monster for orchestrating this? No I don't think so. I'm not one of the BsodL as A&C calls them but I do think he is one of the better chairmen around. Sure he has made mistakes but I also believe that the club has consistently progressed under his tenure. Spirits were high during the summer window and nobody, including Levy, could have seen this coming. I think it all happened very quickly and it has certainly left us in a tricky position, but I don't think it is the end of the world.

Are we a club in turmoil? Well to read the opinions of fans both here and elsewhere I would imagine THFC is on its deathbed and we will all shortly be on the hunt for a new club to support. Thankfully this is a load of bollocks. Lest anyone forget we still managed to pick up a good few points this season and we sit not too far off the top 4. Unfortunately it is also a difficult season in terms of other teams with the usuals picking up points where expected, Suarez on a mission to break records, and Everton looking like a serious contender as well. So it is tight in the top half of the table.

But we have a good squad of talented players, mostly internationals. We all raved during the summer and there is no reason to stop thinking they are capable of contending just because AVB couldn't get them playing well together with his tactics. I would hope that whoever takes over will encourage them to get forward a bit more and to express themselves a bit more. If they are allowed to play to their strengths then this squad of players can achieve things, of that I am sure.

So what is it that annoys me so much that I fee the need to start a completely new thread? Us lot, the fans of course. What I have witnessed here over the last week is nothing short of lunacy. Sure we all have opinions, agreements and disagreements, but I've seen more disgusting and abusive comments aimed towards other members on here and aimed towards Spurs staff and players, than I think I've ever witnessed before. Right now its like RAWK on steroids and it is completely embarrassing.

And what tops that list for me is the bile and vitriol spewed towards Tim Sherwood. Rightly or wrongly this is the man who has been tasked with taking charge until a decision is made on the future. He had little notice of that before having to field a team for West Ham. It certainly looked like he gave that a better stab than AVB did and came away with a slightly more flattering scoreline. Will he get good performances and results from this squad? I don't know, but he deserves to have some fucking support all the same. And the same applies to whoever gets the job permanently and also to every player that walks out on the pitch in a Spurs kit.

Anarchy, turmoil, and chaos at Spurs? Jesus wept. A half decent points return so far, a good and talented squad of players, and the likelihood that whoever is in charge will play more attacking football than we did under AVB. Of course I'm not happy about how this season has played out and what has happened, but it isn't the end of the world either. But whatever happens our guys need support and that goes for whoever takes charge of them as well. They need to hear our support home and away. They need to know that we still want them to succeed.


And yes, I'm well aware that I've posted this an hour before kick off today, and I'm well aware that if we get turned over then I am going to massively regret posting this!!

BsodL ?

 

[Montasura]

BsodL ?

Bastard sons of Daniel Levy!

 

[Bing]

Letting Levy off very easy there.

Fell out with Jol, Redknapp and now AVB.

His stuborness and pig headedness has taken us were few other chairmen could have..but all the evidence points to a complete inability to cede the power to a manager necessary to take us any further.

Time has come to get a ferguson/Wenger figure who holds all the cards.

Thanks a million Daniel. You've done us well and you are a top business man but time to go now.

 

[jambreck]

Which top quality managers would even consider coming here with a trigger happy chairman and a history of sackings?

This seems to be the in vogue claim.

But I just don't buy it.

Every club bar two or three has a history of sackings. High turnover of managers is the norm. There are very, very few managers who are suited to being at one club for any great length of time. Spurs' turnover of managers is nothing out of the ordinary.

The truth is that the Tottenham Hotspur job is one of the most prestigious, best paid and most attractive jobs around. There will be huge interest in it from an overwhelming number of candidates. And plenty of them will be very highly respected, with impressive CV's.

 

[Lilbaz]

Many fair points. Regarding what I would call long term concerns:

I don't hate Levy or anything but..I think he has made his bed, now he must lie in it.
ie. Which top quality managers would even consider coming here with a trigger happy chairman and a history of sackings? That means that we would have to get really lucky getting an unproven up and coming manager of real quality, or more realistically we will get someone more mediocre and settle into mediocrity. One possibility is we will attract people who don't care about the long term instability and just happy to have a season or two with a great pay packet - a depressing proposition but I feel a realistic one.

I wasn't a huge Redknapp fan but I remember thinking when we sacked him: 'Wow, that's kinda debatable, because who can we attract who is a definite upgrade on him?' I always thought AVB was a strange choice, we were appointing someone unproven in the PL, who had failed at Chelsea.

Please. AVB just walked off with £4.5m in his sky rocket. There's plenty of managers who would go for that and then say that Levy was a wanker to protect their reputation.

 

[Vecellio]

Eh? You're dissing me whilst agreeing with me there matey..That's what's wrong with modern management (from a fan's perspective) - massive payout even if you're a total failure. It's totally a cash grab, with THFC getting screwed. So 'Please' right back at you.

Can't decide if Jambreck is a wind up merchant. You should read some other forums from time to time fella..we already have quite the reputation. Not that I care about that necessarily, but it has a bearing on what a potential manager would think, perception is reality and all that.

The evidence simply doesn't meet your claims: De Boer has already turned us down, we are linked in the press with Hoddle, Sherwood, Quieroz (hardly management elite is it). It isn't the best paid job, and we can't compete on a wage level so it's not the most attractive job. We are not an elite club. Plus it's more difficult to get a new manager mid season.

 

[Metalhead]

Letting Levy off very easy there.

Fell out with Jol, Redknapp and now AVB.

His stuborness and pig headedness has taken us were few other chairmen could have..but all the evidence points to a complete inability to cede the power to a manager necessary to take us any further.

Time has come to get a ferguson/Wenger figure who holds all the cards.

Thanks a million Daniel. You've done us well and you are a top business man but time to go now.

I think you might be disappointed if you want him to leave.

 

[jambreck]

Can't decide if Jambreck is a wind up merchant.

WTF???

Because I don't buy your theory? Because I don't believe that Spurs' turnover of managers is especially out of the ordinary?

You should read some other forums from time to time fella..we already have quite the reputation. Not that I care about that necessarily, but it has a bearing on what a potential manager would think, perception is reality and all that.

Who cares what reputation we have on other forums? Do you think that Guus Hiddink will sit down in front of his computer and think, "Hmmmmm....Tottenham. Let's see now. Ah, yes, RAWK....the 'Let's laugh at Tottenham' thread. What are those loveable rogues saying about Daniel Levy?........What's that? He has a habit of sacking too many managers? Well, that settles it. I'm not taking the Tottenham job!"

Really?

The evidence simply doesn't meet your claims: De Boer has already turned us down

Bullshit.

We haven't even approached him. He merely answered a question at a press conference. He gave the standard diplomatic answer that any manager already in a job would give in such circumstances. I have no idea whether De Boer would like to manage Spurs or not. But if he doesn't, my guess is that the reason won't be that Spurs, like the vast majority of clubs in Europe, have a high turnover of managers.

we are linked in the press with Hoddle, Sherwood, Quieroz (hardly management elite is it).

I stopped reading at "we are linked in the press with..."

It isn't the best paid job, and we can't compete on a wage level so it's not the most attractive job. We are not an elite club.

It might not be the very best paid job. But it is one of them. I doubt that there are more than 10-15 club managers worldwide who earn more than the Tottenham Hotspur manager. Ditto attractiveness / prestige.

Plus it's more difficult to get a new manager mid season.

Now that is certainly true. We will either have to hope that Sherwood does a great job and keeps the position or a decent job sufficient to tide us over until we have a better choice of candidates in the summer. Either that or we can hope to appoint someone like Van Gaal until the end of the season - as Chelsea previously did to good effect with Hiddink and Benitez.

 

[idontgetit]

So I've sat back and taken it all in this week, I've dipped into Spurs chat just a few times but not posted much so I thought I'd finally have my say.

A week ago we were humiliated, not for the first time this season, and as a result AVB lost his job. Whether he was sacked or he walked I honestly don't know, although it is largely irrelevant IMO. Either way he is gone and we now have 'interim Tim', as one poster called him, in charge. Was it right for AVB to go? Yes I think it was, although I've been left feeling empty because of it. I wanted him to succeed, to prove his doubters wrong, and to show the World what Spurs are capable of. But in the second half of the Liverpool match he looked like a broken man, as did the players. I don't believe there was any way back for him from that moment onwards. So yeah, I think he probably had to go although I will never be entirely sure.

Is Levy a monster for orchestrating this? No I don't think so. I'm not one of the BsodL as A&C calls them but I do think he is one of the better chairmen around. Sure he has made mistakes but I also believe that the club has consistently progressed under his tenure. Spirits were high during the summer window and nobody, including Levy, could have seen this coming. I think it all happened very quickly and it has certainly left us in a tricky position, but I don't think it is the end of the world.

Are we a club in turmoil? Well to read the opinions of fans both here and elsewhere I would imagine THFC is on its deathbed and we will all shortly be on the hunt for a new club to support. Thankfully this is a load of bollocks. Lest anyone forget we still managed to pick up a good few points this season and we sit not too far off the top 4. Unfortunately it is also a difficult season in terms of other teams with the usuals picking up points where expected, Suarez on a mission to break records, and Everton looking like a serious contender as well. So it is tight in the top half of the table.

But we have a good squad of talented players, mostly internationals. We all raved during the summer and there is no reason to stop thinking they are capable of contending just because AVB couldn't get them playing well together with his tactics. I would hope that whoever takes over will encourage them to get forward a bit more and to express themselves a bit more. If they are allowed to play to their strengths then this squad of players can achieve things, of that I am sure.

So what is it that annoys me so much that I fee the need to start a completely new thread? Us lot, the fans of course. What I have witnessed here over the last week is nothing short of lunacy. Sure we all have opinions, agreements and disagreements, but I've seen more disgusting and abusive comments aimed towards other members on here and aimed towards Spurs staff and players, than I think I've ever witnessed before. Right now its like RAWK on steroids and it is completely embarrassing.

And what tops that list for me is the bile and vitriol spewed towards Tim Sherwood. Rightly or wrongly this is the man who has been tasked with taking charge until a decision is made on the future. He had little notice of that before having to field a team for West Ham. It certainly looked like he gave that a better stab than AVB did and came away with a slightly more flattering scoreline. Will he get good performances and results from this squad? I don't know, but he deserves to have some fucking support all the same. And the same applies to whoever gets the job permanently and also to every player that walks out on the pitch in a Spurs kit.

Anarchy, turmoil, and chaos at Spurs? Jesus wept. A half decent points return so far, a good and talented squad of players, and the likelihood that whoever is in charge will play more attacking football than we did under AVB. Of course I'm not happy about how this season has played out and what has happened, but it isn't the end of the world either. But whatever happens our guys need support and that goes for whoever takes charge of them as well. They need to hear our support home and away. They need to know that we still want them to succeed.


And yes, I'm well aware that I've posted this an hour before kick off today, and I'm well aware that if we get turned over then I am going to massively regret posting this!!

I tried to start a new thread for posting actual interviews and facts about what Sherwood thinks and has done so we could have a balanced, informed discussion about what he's likely to do with the squad, started it off with 3 or 4 decent interviews he's given to set the tone and.........the mods merged it back in to the shitpile. I don't think people want an intelligent discussion on Sherwood.

 

[CornerPinDreamer]

my thoughts one week on. Glad to see my club back to her old ways again.. i missed her special type of insanity

 

[Montasura]

my thoughts one week on. Glad to see my club back to her old ways again.. i missed her special type of insanity

Today was certainly insane and brought a warm bum squeaking sense of deja vu!

 

[Ribble]

Bastard sons of Daniel Levy!

Aww I thought it was Brave Sons, like they're some kind of holy order founded to smite the unbelievers.

 

[Vecellio]

Jambreck, of course Hiddink or whomever won't look at rawk and decide not to manage us. But nevertheless the current regime very definitely has a reputation outside of Spurs. It's mostly unspoken but it is there.

The reason I think you are almost a wind up merchant is because you persist with this elite club stuff. Hiddink? Almost no chance he'd come here..We are a second or probably third tier club at best (I would count second tier clubs as those regularly in the CL but who won't win it).
If your theory is correct right now we should be in contact with first rate managers and should have appointed one presently, or at least by the end of the season. Let's just see how it pans out..

 

[jambreck]

Jambreck, of course Hiddink or whomever won't look at rawk and decide not to manage us. But nevertheless the current regime very definitely has a reputation outside of Spurs. It's mostly unspoken but it is there.

Once again, Spurs' turnover of managers is nothing out of the ordinary.

The likes of Man Utd and Arsenal are the exception rather than the rule. And so are managers like Ferguson and Wenger.

So I guarantee that there will be plenty of top class managers very interested in the Tottenham job, even if they won't be gettable until the summer.

The reason I think you are almost a wind up merchant is because you persist with this elite club stuff. Hiddink? Almost no chance he'd come here..We are a second or probably third tier club at best (I would count second tier clubs as those regularly in the CL but who won't win it).
If your theory is correct right now we should be in contact with first rate managers and should have appointed one presently, or at least by the end of the season. Let's just see how it pans out..

Who said anything about an "elite" club?

I said that the Spurs job would be one of the best 10-15 paid jobs in worldwide club football and it's one of the top 20 most attractive too.

Spurs perennially appears 10th-15th in the Deloitte world football club rich list. And that is only likely to improve once the new Premier League TV deal kicks in; once we start to exploit commercial potential in the way that German clubs have recently; and once the new stadium is built. All of that without including potential Champions League money.

The Premier League is the most in demand destination for players and managers around Europe. And Spurs is one of its leading clubs. There are probably 5 PL clubs that are currently more attractive. In Spain, only Barca and Real Madrid are more attractive. Atletico Madrid and Valencia might be too, perhaps, if they weren't in a financial mess. In Germany, there's only Bayern and Dortmund, although Schalke and Hamburg have claims. Serie A is a mess but, even so, let's say that the usual big clubs - Milan, Inter and Juve - are still more attractive. Roma is probably on a par and Napoli might become so if they consolidate their revival over the coming years. Ligue 1 is inferior but it has a couple of financially doped clubs in PSG and Monaco.

Other great names like Ajax, Benfica or Porto aren't in big enough leagues. The rich Russian clubs can't offer a good enough domestic league either.

Factor in Spurs' excellent squad, the world class training ground and the lure of living in one of the world's two greatest cities and it would be madness to think that the Tottenham job was anything but a huge draw to a great many top class managers.

 

[SteveH]

Letting Levy off very easy there.

Fell out with Jol, Redknapp and now AVB.

His stuborness and pig headedness has taken us were few other chairmen could have..but all the evidence points to a complete inability to cede the power to a manager necessary to take us any further.

Time has come to get a ferguson/Wenger figure who holds all the cards.

Thanks a million Daniel. You've done us well and you are a top business man but time to go now.

Joe Lewis 'might' have pulled all those triggers. Your opinion has merit and are not without logic, but it doesn't make them facts.