New Stadium Details And Discussions

[Lighty64]

Now see, I can understand this happening. It was always a very complex and tight project, this stuff happens.

The problem is that the club completely burned away the goodwill they had from fans with huge price rises, justified with "We'll have Champions League football at the best stadium in the country and a very competitive squad".

Failing to deliver that at such a crucial juncture - charging people for a very premium product and not being able to fulfill it - is a catastrophic failure.

And still they don't get it. That article should have mentioned all ST holders getting substantial rebates for the inconvienience caused, and people who'd already booked travel for the Liverpool game being compensated.

Treating the fanbase like cash cows who'll never turn their backs on the club is the biggest mistake ENIC have made with us by far.

sorry but had to read this coming from you all summer in the season ticket thread, you got your 1st season ticket at Wembley, did you really expect to be paying the same prices in the new stadium?

how was the club meant to know what would happen back in April about problems that might of not been a problem then?

I really don't know what prices they where meant to set? £100 less per ticket = £4.2m £200 = £8.4m

perhaps he should of told the players 1 more season of shit wages (compared to other clubs) because we have to pay staff, loans, wages, and whatever costs and have no definite idea how much we will take yet come next May, just so you and others didn't have something to moan about.

on top of that you bought 1 of the cheapest tickets available by the time it come round to your chance

 

[Lighty64]

They should have kept the prices at the same level as our last season at WHL or capped them at last season Wembley prices on the understanding that the stadium might not be ready on scheduale and that x amount of games might be played at Wembley while stating that ST prices would rise next year to reflect a fully completed state of the art stadium.

so you think it would of been fair that those in the east stand pay half the price of what the West stand had to pay?

edit: the 24k season ticket holders at the old Lane could of purchased tickets at near on the prices they paid then, providing they sat in different areas. the ones hit are the new ones that bought at Wembley

 

[BPR_U16]

What did Levy do here?

He has sat on Mace and interfered so much during this project it's untrue, often changing things at last minute or delaying work whilst making final decision.
This problem may not be his doing, but the general delay in some of the project undoubtedly is.

 

[theShiznit]

Talk on Sky Scraper City that it's the Fire Detection and Supression systems that have failed testing.

Wouldn't have shown up on test event 1 - unless they'd invited the club staff in to test the sprinklers on them.

Sympathy for season ticket holders as I say, but people will get their refunds.

Think we just need to pull together and get on with it, and get behind the team at Wembley.

You can see the people that installed those systems coming back into the stadium doing a walk of shame Cersei style while DL whips them shouting "SHAME, SHAME, SHAME..."

 

[arunspurs]

If you saw that bit why did you write a whole post saying he didn't say that?

Yes a problem was probably discovered at the test event but the extent wasn't known until today, that is when he contacted wembley, the fa and the nfl to inform them.

That line means nothing in overall context...It was said when talking in reference to the partner. If problem was known today, statement would have been more clearer.

When the whole statement was sent out as 'urgent update' at 7PM in the night when nothing was said the whole day says it all. Do anyone truly believe that Levy was told today and club straight away paid the amount. There would have been days of negotiations with FA and feelers sent to UEFA. Maybe club expected it (as they should have), already talked about it . Who knows. Point is this is yet another PR disaster which could have been easily avoided by timely stadium updates.

I have gone through club website and twitter feed - there is no mention on success/failure of test event 1 ,except for 2 tweet with couple of photos/videos

 

[THX2208]

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[Saoirse]

sorry but had to read this coming from you all summer in the season ticket thread, you got your 1st season ticket at Wembley, did you really expect to be paying the same prices in the new stadium?

how was the club meant to know what would happen back in April about problems that might of not been a problem then?

I really don't know what prices they where meant to set? £100 less per ticket = £4.2m £200 = £8.4m

perhaps he should of told the players 1 more season of shit wages (compared to other clubs) because we have to pay staff, loans, wages, and whatever costs and have no definite idea how much we will take yet come next May, just so you and others didn't have something to moan about.

on top of that you bought 1 of the cheapest tickets available by the time it come round to your chance

Not quite - I did have a ST at WHL but had to give it up a few years back because I couldn't afford it, only got it back at Wembley. I didn't necessarily expect the same prices - nor did I expect they'd be the most expensive anywhere! And the club justified that with the facilities at the new ground - it stands to reason ST holders shouldn't have to pay as much while there IS no new ground.

My argument has always been that the money raised by increasing the prices isn't sustainable. People were mostly willing to pay the increased prices this time - although 1,600 or so more than normal didn't and chose not to renew. But that was on the premise that we'd have a new ground, a better squad etc. Will people pay those prices if they don't get to go till December, there's been zero investment in the squad, and we're back in the Europa League? I'd be astonished. And I don't see why that's such an offensive argument to you. I've normally been a stewardship of ENIC's stewardship, but it's clear this isn't going well right now.

 

[Lilbaz]

That line means nothing in overall context...It was said when talking in reference to the partner. If problem was known today, statement would have been more clearer.

When the whole statement was sent out as 'urgent update' at 7PM in the night when nothing was said the whole day says it all. Do anyone truly believe that Levy was told today and club straight away paid the amount. There would have been days of negotiations with FA and feelers sent to UEFA. Maybe club expected it (as they should have), already talked about it . Who knows. Point is this is yet another PR disaster which could have been easily avoided by timely stadium updates.

I have gone through club website and twitter feed - there is no mention on success/failure of test event 1 ,except for 2 tweet with couple of photos/videos

It seems it was the fire suppression system that failed and had nothing to do with the test event.

 

[tony0379]

Is it wront to say 'I would'? Because I would...

Maybe a handjob at best

 

[Saoirse]

Talk on Sky Scraper City that it's the Fire Detection and Supression systems that have failed testing.

Wouldn't have shown up on test event 1 - unless they'd invited the club staff in to test the sprinklers on them.

Sympathy for season ticket holders as I say, but people will get their refunds.

Think we just need to pull together and get on with it, and get behind the team at Wembley.

Sprinklers. The stadium is delayed by two months+ because of... sprinklers? Call me a cynic but I ain't convinced.

 

[arunspurs]

It seems it was the fire suppression system that failed and had nothing to do with the test event.

Said by some contractor in a construction website - it could probably be correct.
If its true thats emphasizes what I am saying...Fact that we have to hear the details interms of rumour but not as proper club update is the problem.

 

[Lilbaz]

Why are these shocking?

 

[buttons]

That line means nothing in overall context...It was said when talking in reference to the partner. If problem was known today, statement would have been more clearer.

When the whole statement was sent out as 'urgent update' at 7PM in the night when nothing was said the whole day says it all. Do anyone truly believe that Levy was told today and club straight away paid the amount. There would have been days of negotiations with FA and feelers sent to UEFA. Maybe club expected it (as they should have), already talked about it . Who knows. Point is this is yet another PR disaster which could have been easily avoided by timely stadium updates.

I have gone through club website and twitter feed - there is no mention on success/failure of test event 1 ,except for 2 tweet with couple of photos/videos

No. The timing and content of the statement wreaked of covering arses having had the story leaked to the press.

 

[Saoirse]

Why are these shocking?

Because Tightwad wants us to believe we were going to be watching a match there in two weeks time until today!

 

[mil1lion]

Well it's a great shame but this is what the test events are for. Unfortunately this kind of thing can come up. No point getting mad at the club although they need to get a move on to let ST holders know what's going to happen. Other than that we deal with it the best we can.

As for Wembley it's so important we continue to support the club as we did last season. This is still our home away from home until we officially return to the Lane. It's so important we get as many fans into Wembley as possible and get behind the team.

 

[LexingtonSpurs]

I have gone through club website and twitter feed - there is no mention on success/failure of test event 1

This was not part of test event 1.

This was presumably a test of the fire suppression system.

I doubt anyone here know how or why it failed - but its possible the failure occurred as late as last week, or, over the weekend, when fewer people were in the stadium.

And, the critical information is not that the system failed - the critical information is - what must be done to fix it? Is it a design flaw? Faulty equipment that needs to be torn out and replaced? Is it a leak in the pipes?

So, from a club's perspective, I assume MACE (or the fire suppression sub-contractor) conducted the test, and determined it failed - and then determined the appropriate corrective measures and the timeline associated with that fix.

Thats when they approach the Club and Levy - and lay out the scenario - I am sure Levy pushes back a little on time-line, but has a sense of how long it will realistically take to fix (and it might be one of those jobs where MACE says, we won't know for sure, until we pull some things out - but minimum of X weeks, maximum of Z Weeks.)

Then, once Levy has the facts, they can sit down and address the implications - FA, NFL, Fans. FA and NFL take precedence - because, until they work out those details, there is nothing concrete to announce to the fans. Now, they have the basic agreement in place with the FA, and have postponed the NFL deal, until probably next year. And they can move forward with the fans.

I don't see anything in this scenario where its "Levy's fault"

 

[Shadydan]

Shocking pics? hehe sounds like something straight from TMZ

 

[Saoirse]

Well it's a great shame but this is what the test events are for. Unfortunately this kind of thing can come up. No point getting mad at the club although they need to get a move on to let ST holders know what's going to happen. Other than that we deal with it the best we can.

As for Wembley it's so important we continue to support the club as we did last season. This is still our home away from home until we officially return to the Lane. It's so important we get as many fans into Wembley as possible and get behind the team.

I'm not in a position where I can easily afford to spend £150, which is what it'd cost me to attend the Fulham, Liverpool and Cardiff games. I'm certainly not in a position where I'm going to spend it as a charitable donation to a business with eight-figure revenues for something I'm not massively going to enjoy. If the club care about support for the team, they can lower the prices and people will come. But they showed last season that they'd rather have 50k-60k fans at £45 a pop rather than even trying to see how many they could get in at £30 a pop for the smaller games. Why is beyond me.

 

[LexingtonSpurs]

I was expecting to see a dead body or something...

Good job on the clickbait title though

I might have gone with "You won't believe what's in Picture 4!!"

 

[arunspurs]

This was not part of test event 1.

This was presumably a test of the fire suppression system.

I doubt anyone here know how or why it failed - but its possible the failure occurred as late as last week, or, over the weekend, when fewer people were in the stadium.

And, the critical information is not that the system failed - the critical information is - what must be done to fix it? Is it a design flaw? Faulty equipment that needs to be torn out and replaced? Is it a leak in the pipes?

So, from a club's perspective, I assume MACE (or the fire suppression sub-contractor) conducted the test, and determined it failed - and then determined the appropriate corrective measures and the timeline associated with that fix.

Thats when they approach the Club and Levy - and lay out the scenario - I am sure Levy pushes back a little on time-line, but has a sense of how long it will realistically take to fix (and it might be one of those jobs where MACE says, we won't know for sure, until we pull some things out - but minimum of X weeks, maximum of Z Weeks.)

Then, once Levy has the facts, they can sit down and address the implications - FA, NFL, Fans. FA and NFL take precedence - because, until they work out those details, there is nothing concrete to announce to the fans. Now, they have the basic agreement in place with the FA, and have postponed the NFL deal, until probably next year. And they can move forward with the fans.

I don't see anything in this scenario where its "Levy's fault"

I see lot of presumably, possibly, in your version etc etc...Lot of guesses that probably is accurate.
For the record, I am not a Levy out or ENIC out or even saying Levy's fault.
Just saying, this could have been handled better from PR perspective.

Also, no word on what happens to ST holders if they will given refunds or anything. Supporters will have to call up to get the info. Its not fair on supporters nor on club ticket office employees