New Stadium Details And Discussions

[LexingtonSpurs]

The ST is a ticket to go to the 19 home league games, it is not explicitly a ticket to the new stadium.

I think that is demonstrably false. I don't have a season ticket - but don't season ticket-holders choose, and pay for, a specific seat?

That seat was in the new stadium - not at Wembley, or Milton-Keynes.

Now, it is true that there was always a risk of the stadium not being ready. But, when people bought the season ticket, it was with an explicit understanding that it would be for a specific seat - in the New Stadium.

 

[14/04/91]

That’s what they said about lifeboats on the Titanic.

Titanic...Titanic! People go on about the Titanic. Let me tell you, people forget there were over 1,000 miles of very pleasurable cruising before it hit the iceberg.....

Name the comedy sketch....

 

[rez9000]

Ahhhhh those are real pretty lights

Sorry, couldn't resist (ironically!)

 

[Rout-Ledge]

It will be very interesting to see the legal battle once this is all done. On the face of it some utterly incompetent contractor has cost the club a substantial eight, possibly even nine figure sum. Unless the club knows that ultimately their schedule and the pressure was unrealistic and we directly contributed to the issue?

The completion date in the building contract is all that matters. If Mace signed up to a specific date for completion then it’s on them to get it built on time, even if the date was highly ambitious (so long as the reason for delay is their doing rather than the club’s or other external factors).

They will be paying the club liquidated damages every week the stadium is delayed (though most likely this will be covered by their sub contractors, depending on where the fault lies).

 

[Hoopspur]

Yeah was pretty shocking when I actually looked at the dates.

In reality if we're not in NWHL at this time, 3-0 forfeits are a very real possibility.

3-0 forfeits are a near impossibility. Talk about an overreaction! I'm 99.9% sure this wouldn't happen. A solution will be found if needed.

 

[NickHSpurs]

So in April Wembley has 2 FA Cup Semi Finals on the weekend of the 6th when we play Brighton at home. Then there's the Anthony Joshua fight the week after when we're home to Huddersfield.

We can't use a 3rd venue so if we're not in by then there's a good chance we won't be able to fulfill our fixtures...

So don't think we can wait until next season even if we wanted to, otherwise we may be forfeiting games.

Wembley Date Clashes:

6th April (FA Cup Semi)
6th April (Brighton H)
7th April (FA Cup Semi)

13th April (AJ Fight)
13th April (Huddersfield H)

11th May (Vanarama Playoff Final)
12th May (Everton H)

Not forgetting if we get to League Cup Final, the Burnley away game will have to be moved to midweek somewhere. Then if we progress in CL the games are played 9/10 April first leg, 16/17 April second leg so if we have to move Brighton and Huddersfield we'll be having to sqeeze rearranged games into an already tight schedule.

Even if we manage to stay at Wembley and reschedule these games, the pitch is going to be absolutely fucked! If we're still there in April it's going to be a proper shit show!

 

[THFCSPURS19]

This part isn't true. The ticket purchase was clearly for a specific seat within the Tottenham Hotspur Stadium (as it is named), and was backed by long and detailed advertising campaigns ("only stadium in London to see Champions League football", "improved facilities" etc). If they had just taken the money, stuck two fingers up at the fans and then played the games at a different stadium 10 miles away without any option for a refund, they would have been in breach of the Consumer Rights Act.

Somewhere in the terms and conditions it doesn't guarantee every home game would be at the new stadium.

 

[rez9000]

The completion date in the building contract is all that matters. If Mace signed up to a specific date for completion then it’s on them to get it built on time, even if the date was highly ambitious (so long as the reason for delay is their doing rather than the club’s or other external factors).

They will be paying the club liquidated damages every week the stadium is delayed (though most likely this will be covered by their sub contractors, depending on where the fault lies).

And this, for me, is the primary issue.

I can perfectly understand some fans' frustrations with the ticketing specifically and with the stadium more widely, but I would have thought the original fault lies with MACE. Or am I being barmy?

Re the costs, I would imagine there would be penalty clauses in the contract if MACE fail to deliver...? Any large project managers / contractors out there that can confirm if that's standard practice?

 

[Rout-Ledge]

And this, for me, is the primary issue.

I can perfectly understand some fans' frustrations with the ticketing specifically and with the stadium more widely, but I would have thought the original fault lies with MACE. Or am I being barmy?

Re the costs, I would imagine there would be penalty clauses in the contract if MACE fail to deliver...? Any large project managers / contractors out there could confirm if that's standard practice?

Liquidated damages (I.e. a pre determined sum) will be payable in the event of delay if it’s Mace’s fault. I’m a construction lawyer so deal with this sort of thing all the time. Obviously I haven’t seen the contract for the stadium so it’s guesswork to a certain extent, but it’s Levy we’re talking about here...

 

[rez9000]

Liquidated damages (I.e. a pre determined sum) will be payable in the event of delay if it’s Mace’s fault. I’m a construction lawyer so deal with this sort of thing all the time. Obviously I haven’t seen the contract for the stadium so it’s guesswork to a certain extent, but it’s Levy we’re talking about here...

Well, then you're the perfect person to explain!

So is it the usual thing for those to be paid, as you mentioned, at a daily rate? As in an amount owed per day, not necessarily paid daily.

 

[mark87]

Wembley Date Clashes:

6th April (FA Cup Semi)
6th April (Brighton H)
7th April (FA Cup Semi)

13th April (AJ Fight)
13th April (Huddersfield H)

11th May (Vanarama Playoff Final)
12th May (Everton H)

Not forgetting if we get to League Cup Final, the Burnley away game will have to be moved to midweek somewhere. Then if we progress in CL the games are played 9/10 April first leg, 16/17 April second leg so if we have to move Brighton and Huddersfield we'll be having to sqeeze rearranged games into and already tight schedule.

Even if we manage to stay at Wembley at reschedule these games, the pitch is going to be absolutely fucked! If we're still there in April it's going to a proper shit show!

If we get to the semi final again our game would be moved anyway. If they can do two games in a row there then maybe three is doable, i.e. move the game to the Friday or Monday.

Also can move the Huddersfield game to a few days after the AJ fight.

And for the Everton game then two games in a row shouldn't be a problem.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Anybody who genuinely believes the club have been disingenuous with information in a ploy to sell enough season tickets lacks a fundamental understanding of the very stringent regulations imposed on FCA regulated companies and the severity of the fines involved in instances of fraudulent information surrounding financial transactions.

 

[rez9000]

If we get to the semi final again our game would be moved anyway. If they can do two games in a row there then maybe three is doable, i.e. move the game to the Friday or Monday.

Also can move the Huddersfield game to a few days after the AJ fight.

And for the Everton game then two games in a row shouldn't be a problem.

With regard scheduling clashes - is there something that stops us from playing any games at a third venue?

 

[Tottenhamboy85]

If we get to the semi final again our game would be moved anyway. If they can do two games in a row there then maybe three is doable, i.e. move the game to the Friday or Monday.

Also can move the Huddersfield game to a few days after the AJ fight.

And for the Everton game then two games in a row shouldn't be a problem.

It takes a week to set up and another to take apart for the boxing

 

[NickHSpurs]

If we get to the semi final again our game would be moved anyway. If they can do two games in a row there then maybe three is doable, i.e. move the game to the Friday or Monday.

Also can move the Huddersfield game to a few days after the AJ fight.

And for the Everton game then two games in a row shouldn't be a problem.

Like I said we might be able to reschedule them but the pitch will be an absolute nightmare. Checkatrade Trophy Final is end of March as well, the pitch won't hold up to all these games and events.

 

[LexingtonSpurs]

This may have been answered a while ago - but have the Club announced why they took down the interior Stadium Cams?

They are using this delay to grow pot in there, aren't they?

 

[Styopa]

Might we be able to change the venue to MK Dons for some of the clashes?

 

[rez9000]

This may have been answered a while ago - but have the Club announced why they took down the interior Stadium Cams?

They are using this delay to grow pot in there, aren't they?

Hey, an income stream is an income stream.

 

[Wsussexspur]

I must admit it’s getting to a point now where I’m very surprised the premier league haven’t said enough is enough you have to play all your home games this season at Wembley.

 

[Wsussexspur]

Might we be able to change the venue to MK Dons for some of the clashes?

Nope no way premier league will let that happen