spursfan77
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Imagine the irony of getting a penalty in the first league game in the new stadium after virtually two whole seasons at Wembley without one. Until arsenal of course.
New Stadium Details And Discussions
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Imagine the irony of getting a penalty in the first league game in the new stadium after virtually two whole seasons at Wembley without one. Until arsenal of course.
Spurger King
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To be honest, I questioned the relevance of it all anyway. Without googling, could anyone say who scored the first goal at WHL? It’s relevant to us, but won’t be in 20 years.
I couldn’t even tell you if we won our first game at the old stadium. For the current crop of fans it matters, and I definitely enjoy the fact that we won our first game there (it would be odd if any Spurs fan didn’t want us to win it), but long term it’s meaningless.
The important thing is that it looks absolutely stunning. I can’t quite get my head around the fact that this is all real. The South Stand alone is a wet dream. Puts the Anfield Kop to shame.
The best stadium in the country. That’s quite a thing.
davidmatzdorf
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I posted this on the match thread, but I suppose it really belongs here:
Report on first visit to new stadium:
The stadium itself
Is just as fantastic as everyone says. I was teary-eyed, partly because there were a few times over the past several months when I thought I might never see it, but also because it's home and it's an awe-inducing environment. They've done the impossible thing somehow, the thing we thought they wouldn't be able to do, which is to recreate enough of the look, feel and atmosphere of the old WHL that it immediately feels sort-of-familiar.
The measures to improve crowd intensity work: the proximity to the pitch, the rake of the stands, the prominent roof. It emphatically is not a Wembley/Emirates style bowl and anyone who tells you it is is talking shit.
The acoustics are stunningly good and every bit of the hard work that has gone into this extra design work has been worth it. It's not that it's louder (although I may change my mind next Tuesday). It's that you can hear what everyone is singing/chanting. The concentration on controlling reverberation times means that, when the Park Lane start up, those of us at the far end of the Shelf can stay in time with them.
Food and drink
The concourses look great, but the food and drink arrangements, at least on Level 5, are suffering severe teething problems. First, the queues form so quickly and so densely that it's impossible to wander around the concourse in search of differing food outlets - you just have to take the first one you can get, because the only route around involves going behind the lift/service cores and they rapidly get swarmed and blocked.
So, having arrived at about 6.30, we settled for the burger joint ("Touchline"), because at least I could try the Beavertown Neck Oil. After 25 minutes barging back and forth in the scrum of a queue, when we were three people from the front, they ran out of burgers. No one wanted the chicken or the veggie-burger. Everyone was emerging with beef and they had run out. All they had left was the boneless fried chicken, which was, um, crap. Just as we reached the front of the queue, they ran out of Beavertown - after we'd paid for it. A handful of extra fries made up the price difference between that and Amstel-piss. So we wolfed our flavourless fried chicken and our fizzy mass-market lager and went up to our seats to see the ceremony.
Thus tipped off, we made a run for it at half-time and managed to fight our way past "Touchline" to the smart-looking bar with the [fake] brewery copper piping. Only one of the taps was working on our side and the bottom-up fillers were not evident, so we waited for 12 of the 15 minutes to get to the front of the queue, at which point we were told that ... they had run out of Beavertown. We gave up and went back to our seats.
So the tally for 40 minutes of queuing was one pint of the wrong beer and no time to drink it, no beer at half time and seriously bad chicken and fries, which was not what we wanted.
A lot of work needs to be done here. My partner pointed out that they don't have any of the dividers that marshalled the queues at Wembley. I suspect this is because they would block the concourse, which is an escape route. They need to figure out a way to prevent the queues from completely blocking the whole area, because people can't circulate and choose a vendor - they have to take what is nearest. They need to get the serving pumps working properly. And they need to tweak their supplies so what they are cooking properly matches demand.
Transport
Historically, our route to WHL was simple. We'd get on the 259 bus, which stops 2 minutes from where we live, and chill out for the long, slow ride through the traffic jams, until it decanted us just opposite the old Spurs Shop and ticket office. It wasn't fast, but it was relaxing.
So that's what we did, only to find that now the 259 is diverted up Bruce Grove, that the driver was unable to tell us where it was going and where it would stop next. So we got out and hoofed it. Disappointing, but reasonable - we'll have to find an alternative approach.
But the problem is that no one at all at THFC or TfL is able to communicate where the diverted buses go and where they rejoin their proper route, so (a) we couldn't just stay on the bus and then walk down from the north when it finally stopped and (b) we have absolutely no idea where to pick up our bus home after the match.
I'm going to re-adopt my guise as the thread's unofficial planning wonk for a moment: I've read the transport plan that accompanied the club's planning application. It is full of statements that confirm their reliance on the [Livingstone-improved] local bus network to move a substantial minority in and out of the neighbourhood. That's absolutely impossible (a) if they divert all the buses miles away from the stadium and (b) if they provide zero information about where they go, where they rejoin their usual routes and how far you have to walk to get one.
It's not as if all the bus routes are diverted. Several local/shopping routes, such as 476 and 318, rejoin the High Rd at Lordship Lane and run down to Seven Sisters from there. Why not the rest?
We hoofed it down the High Rd, along with hundreds of other potential bus-users who were mystified and frustrated. People would pause at a bus stop for a few minutes, realise that nothing was coming, and then wander on. One or two buses (including a 259) buzzed down the High Rd, stopping for no one and not taking on passengers. The drivers had been instructed not to stop, but no one told them why.
Another factor was that there were two or three cordons of police, kettling groups of Crystal Palace fans down the High Rd at walking pace, blocking all traffic and refusing to let buses pass.
Anyway ... we hopped a 318 down to Seven Sisters, took one look at the crawling monster-queue for the Victoria Line that would have taken us 30-40 minutes, minimum, to get us onto a train, walked a short way down Seven Sisters Rd and managed to grab the 259 that had refused to stop for us in Bruce Grove (!). It had been stuck behind the coppers and the Palace fans.
It took us 2 hours from the final whistle to get back to Camden/Holloway. Usually it would be an hour, or a bit more, from WHL. Plainly, it's going to be a learning curve. The queues at Seven Sisters station don't look sustainable. The buses are impossible to catch. They have to provide us with access to the buses if they want us to use them.
I'm going to be contacting THFC and TfL before Tuesday, to ask whether they can tell us where those diversions go and where they rejoin their prescribed routes.
Report on first visit to new stadium:
The stadium itself
Is just as fantastic as everyone says. I was teary-eyed, partly because there were a few times over the past several months when I thought I might never see it, but also because it's home and it's an awe-inducing environment. They've done the impossible thing somehow, the thing we thought they wouldn't be able to do, which is to recreate enough of the look, feel and atmosphere of the old WHL that it immediately feels sort-of-familiar.
The measures to improve crowd intensity work: the proximity to the pitch, the rake of the stands, the prominent roof. It emphatically is not a Wembley/Emirates style bowl and anyone who tells you it is is talking shit.
The acoustics are stunningly good and every bit of the hard work that has gone into this extra design work has been worth it. It's not that it's louder (although I may change my mind next Tuesday). It's that you can hear what everyone is singing/chanting. The concentration on controlling reverberation times means that, when the Park Lane start up, those of us at the far end of the Shelf can stay in time with them.
Food and drink
The concourses look great, but the food and drink arrangements, at least on Level 5, are suffering severe teething problems. First, the queues form so quickly and so densely that it's impossible to wander around the concourse in search of differing food outlets - you just have to take the first one you can get, because the only route around involves going behind the lift/service cores and they rapidly get swarmed and blocked.
So, having arrived at about 6.30, we settled for the burger joint ("Touchline"), because at least I could try the Beavertown Neck Oil. After 25 minutes barging back and forth in the scrum of a queue, when we were three people from the front, they ran out of burgers. No one wanted the chicken or the veggie-burger. Everyone was emerging with beef and they had run out. All they had left was the boneless fried chicken, which was, um, crap. Just as we reached the front of the queue, they ran out of Beavertown - after we'd paid for it. A handful of extra fries made up the price difference between that and Amstel-piss. So we wolfed our flavourless fried chicken and our fizzy mass-market lager and went up to our seats to see the ceremony.
Thus tipped off, we made a run for it at half-time and managed to fight our way past "Touchline" to the smart-looking bar with the [fake] brewery copper piping. Only one of the taps was working on our side and the bottom-up fillers were not evident, so we waited for 12 of the 15 minutes to get to the front of the queue, at which point we were told that ... they had run out of Beavertown. We gave up and went back to our seats.
So the tally for 40 minutes of queuing was one pint of the wrong beer and no time to drink it, no beer at half time and seriously bad chicken and fries, which was not what we wanted.
A lot of work needs to be done here. My partner pointed out that they don't have any of the dividers that marshalled the queues at Wembley. I suspect this is because they would block the concourse, which is an escape route. They need to figure out a way to prevent the queues from completely blocking the whole area, because people can't circulate and choose a vendor - they have to take what is nearest. They need to get the serving pumps working properly. And they need to tweak their supplies so what they are cooking properly matches demand.
Transport
Historically, our route to WHL was simple. We'd get on the 259 bus, which stops 2 minutes from where we live, and chill out for the long, slow ride through the traffic jams, until it decanted us just opposite the old Spurs Shop and ticket office. It wasn't fast, but it was relaxing.
So that's what we did, only to find that now the 259 is diverted up Bruce Grove, that the driver was unable to tell us where it was going and where it would stop next. So we got out and hoofed it. Disappointing, but reasonable - we'll have to find an alternative approach.
But the problem is that no one at all at THFC or TfL is able to communicate where the diverted buses go and where they rejoin their proper route, so (a) we couldn't just stay on the bus and then walk down from the north when it finally stopped and (b) we have absolutely no idea where to pick up our bus home after the match.
I'm going to re-adopt my guise as the thread's unofficial planning wonk for a moment: I've read the transport plan that accompanied the club's planning application. It is full of statements that confirm their reliance on the [Livingstone-improved] local bus network to move a substantial minority in and out of the neighbourhood. That's absolutely impossible (a) if they divert all the buses miles away from the stadium and (b) if they provide zero information about where they go, where they rejoin their usual routes and how far you have to walk to get one.
It's not as if all the bus routes are diverted. Several local/shopping routes, such as 476 and 318, rejoin the High Rd at Lordship Lane and run down to Seven Sisters from there. Why not the rest?
We hoofed it down the High Rd, along with hundreds of other potential bus-users who were mystified and frustrated. People would pause at a bus stop for a few minutes, realise that nothing was coming, and then wander on. One or two buses (including a 259) buzzed down the High Rd, stopping for no one and not taking on passengers. The drivers had been instructed not to stop, but no one told them why.
Another factor was that there were two or three cordons of police, kettling groups of Crystal Palace fans down the High Rd at walking pace, blocking all traffic and refusing to let buses pass.
Anyway ... we hopped a 318 down to Seven Sisters, took one look at the crawling monster-queue for the Victoria Line that would have taken us 30-40 minutes, minimum, to get us onto a train, walked a short way down Seven Sisters Rd and managed to grab the 259 that had refused to stop for us in Bruce Grove (!). It had been stuck behind the coppers and the Palace fans.
It took us 2 hours from the final whistle to get back to Camden/Holloway. Usually it would be an hour, or a bit more, from WHL. Plainly, it's going to be a learning curve. The queues at Seven Sisters station don't look sustainable. The buses are impossible to catch. They have to provide us with access to the buses if they want us to use them.
I'm going to be contacting THFC and TfL before Tuesday, to ask whether they can tell us where those diversions go and where they rejoin their prescribed routes.
dimiSpur
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I am not a lost cause. I have seen the error of my ways.
But you're still wrong and still haven't grasped what I meant, despite me having said it twice now. You will often end up going round in circles when you continue to misunderstand what people are saying and then proceed to argue with them based on your continued misperception.
And I'm not snooty patronising or rude. Just a plain **** will do!
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austinfh
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In the interview Rose has just done (it's about racism and much more serious but he says a bit about the new ground):
“It was a bit flat towards the end, playing at Wembley. You can’t hold anything against the fans for that. It was a lot of traveling and it’s not home. So on behalf of the players and the staff, I’d like to thank the fans for the year-and-a-half that they’ve made that journey. They’ve been great and in that first game (at the new stadium) they really made it feel like home.
“It was a bit surreal at the beginning when we were doing the warm-up. There was a moment when the crowd were singing Dele’s name and we were saying after the game how loud it was. It was just an amazing night.”
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/footbal...s-cannot-wait-get-football-despairs-way-game/
The Dele song was one of my favourite moments, so loud
“It was a bit flat towards the end, playing at Wembley. You can’t hold anything against the fans for that. It was a lot of traveling and it’s not home. So on behalf of the players and the staff, I’d like to thank the fans for the year-and-a-half that they’ve made that journey. They’ve been great and in that first game (at the new stadium) they really made it feel like home.
“It was a bit surreal at the beginning when we were doing the warm-up. There was a moment when the crowd were singing Dele’s name and we were saying after the game how loud it was. It was just an amazing night.”
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/footbal...s-cannot-wait-get-football-despairs-way-game/
The Dele song was one of my favourite moments, so loud
eViL
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Tell that to my boss after we evacuated 5,000 people at work when he pulled a sneaky drag in his office..
davidmatzdorf
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That was the point, yes. Buses generally don't stop when on diversion, they only stop when they rejoin the usual routes.Maybe ask where they stop so you can get on them
as well
SirHarryHotspur
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When the transport brochure first came out I thought how can they describe the stadium as a public transport destination, it's total rubbish when nearly all the buses are being diverted, I think you find they go up Bruce Grove , A10, A406 and rejoin the proper route at The Angel Edmonton & vice versa. Apparently it's Haringey Council or TFL health and safety , can't have buses with all those people outside the stadium you might run them over. Had no trouble years ago with buses outside the stadium and 60000 crowds just queues that stretched for miles..
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fishhhandaricecake
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What a stadium, what a night, great result.
Feel very lucky to have been there for the final game at WHL and equally as lucky for the first game at our new stadium.
Review:
Stadium
The design on the outside is so different to anything I’ve seen and I like that.
Inside the concourse areas it’s incredible it’s all so new but with subtle touches to remind us of the old WHL but I do agree as others have said it’s awfully busy and actually a little hard to manoeuvre but that’s the sacrifice you make by making the ground ‘tighter’ and the stands steeper.
Inside at our seats the stadium is then just incredible, it’s so intimidating yet beautiful and intriguing all at the same time. The south stand single tier is so impressive but actually so is all of it really, just like nothing ive ever seen before, and love the cockerel above the south it’s a really cool touch!
Some teething problems in the shelf lower where we were as lots of people standing up the whole time, I don’t mind it too much but many were frustrated and police escorted 4 fans out for repeatedly standing the whole first half and then trying to fight their own fans, idiots, hopefully less of that from now on once we settle in. Seats had decent legroom and were comfortable and great views all round.
Atmosphere
I’ll be completely honest it wasn’t quite as good as I expected or actually what I expected but I/we have to realise that as much as they may have tried to keep good atmosphere it’s just such a big stadium it’s very hard to do so. At times when the park lane and shelf got going and when we scored it was pretty good but it wasn’t that consistent and worryingly I barely heard a peep from the north or west apart from the palace fans a bit, hopefully the atmosphere will improve as we all settle into it and now the first game nerves are put to bed, I think it has real potential but yesterday I’d say it was a 6/10 for atmos.
Facilities
Again as people have said the concourses were so rammed queuing was an issue and you couldn’t want round to try other food/drink outlets which was a shame so again hopefully this improves and it was a night game so different to a weekend 3pm k/o. I’m sure there are plenty of good options but I didn’t get a chance to see/try any.
Transport
shit. Walked to seven sisters and had to queue for 40 fucking minutes as they staggered the queues, nightmare. Thank fuck we didn’t lose and it wasn’t raining.
Overall
For all the gripes etc it was simply incredible, it is just such an impressive stadium and genuinely wouldn’t argue with those that say it’s the best in the world it is very very special and we are very lucky to have it, so glad to be home, it was an emotional amazing night, hopefully the start of a new chapter and some glory glory dsys to come.
COYS.
Feel very lucky to have been there for the final game at WHL and equally as lucky for the first game at our new stadium.
Review:
Stadium
The design on the outside is so different to anything I’ve seen and I like that.
Inside the concourse areas it’s incredible it’s all so new but with subtle touches to remind us of the old WHL but I do agree as others have said it’s awfully busy and actually a little hard to manoeuvre but that’s the sacrifice you make by making the ground ‘tighter’ and the stands steeper.
Inside at our seats the stadium is then just incredible, it’s so intimidating yet beautiful and intriguing all at the same time. The south stand single tier is so impressive but actually so is all of it really, just like nothing ive ever seen before, and love the cockerel above the south it’s a really cool touch!
Some teething problems in the shelf lower where we were as lots of people standing up the whole time, I don’t mind it too much but many were frustrated and police escorted 4 fans out for repeatedly standing the whole first half and then trying to fight their own fans, idiots, hopefully less of that from now on once we settle in. Seats had decent legroom and were comfortable and great views all round.
Atmosphere
I’ll be completely honest it wasn’t quite as good as I expected or actually what I expected but I/we have to realise that as much as they may have tried to keep good atmosphere it’s just such a big stadium it’s very hard to do so. At times when the park lane and shelf got going and when we scored it was pretty good but it wasn’t that consistent and worryingly I barely heard a peep from the north or west apart from the palace fans a bit, hopefully the atmosphere will improve as we all settle into it and now the first game nerves are put to bed, I think it has real potential but yesterday I’d say it was a 6/10 for atmos.
Facilities
Again as people have said the concourses were so rammed queuing was an issue and you couldn’t want round to try other food/drink outlets which was a shame so again hopefully this improves and it was a night game so different to a weekend 3pm k/o. I’m sure there are plenty of good options but I didn’t get a chance to see/try any.
Transport
shit. Walked to seven sisters and had to queue for 40 fucking minutes as they staggered the queues, nightmare. Thank fuck we didn’t lose and it wasn’t raining.
Overall
For all the gripes etc it was simply incredible, it is just such an impressive stadium and genuinely wouldn’t argue with those that say it’s the best in the world it is very very special and we are very lucky to have it, so glad to be home, it was an emotional amazing night, hopefully the start of a new chapter and some glory glory dsys to come.
COYS.
THFCSPURS19
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Yep I said at the time that the Dele chant was unbelievably loud. It was awesome to be part of it.
Tottenhamboy85
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Yea we should’ve just sang that for 90 mins
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Shadydan
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Wonderful to be there last night. Lots of people saying similar things to what I felt. Some other stuff
Someone said they couldn't hear the south from the north-west. Interesting cos people saying there was singing in the north but I couldn't really hear that in the south. Might be an issue of sound carrying from one end to the other. Although I could hear the palace fans at times.
Of which. This will never happen. Maybe an 1882 section in the north stand near the away supporters would be good for "bants" and atmosphere. Let the park lane be the loud rumbling panzer tank white wall boom...and the 1882 quicker thinking tactical ops and put downs.
Could not believe how packed it was inside 2 hours before kick off...unheard of! The bars and food options are a massive step forward. But it was so packed, if it was always like that then I think I would look to eat/drink elsewhere before the game. Think of the main shopping centre in your town - on the last saturday before Christmas - that is what it was like trying to move around inside the stadium. Although, feeling hungry was great to get some pizza for the journey home.
The west stand was very much like being back home...The people who pay so much for their tickets they assume other people doing their singing is included in the price.
Agree with others, long term, going to need more places to sit in the food and bar areas. There are ways of doing that without taking out too much space.
Final thought it is a BIG stadium. It is never going to work like a tight, small stadium. When it was noisy, it was very, very noisy. When it goes quiet you will notice it more. Instead of being somewhere in the middle in terms of atmosphere think the noise levels will flit between two extremes.
finally...finally the second goal was weird. I can't remember anything like that before. I missed it...so did just about everyone around me...we all looked at the ref thinking he might blow for a penalty...he then did a gesture to suggest a free kick to palace only to see that the ball seemed to be in the net. It is very hard to believe when you see the goal replayed on TV, how could you miss it, but lots of us did. So the celebrations were a bit muted...people around me were saying...have we scored...have we scored? It was all there as plain as could be before our eyes and yet loads of us didn't see the ball go in!
Whats more Eriksen didn't immediately celebrate.
SirHarryHotspur
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Re the atmosphere sometimes our play doesn't always get you to the edge of excitement , Hugo short ball to Toby, Toby to Jan back to Toby back Jan etc etc.
This might sound a bit mad. But if a large amount of Tottenham is regenerated and the stadium is gonna be a hub for the next 50-100 years how unreasonable would it be to lobby for a new underground station. It’s not just in our interest would obviously be used by others when no matchday. Could branch it off Victoria line like Mill Hill East on the northern line. Saw some figures on quora saying 1 km is £100-200m no idea if that’s accurate or not and a station about £10m. They do upgrades on the tube all the time so why not ( puts tin hat on lol)
Just out of interest the new northern line extension is costing £1bn for 4km and 2 stations. So could probably do a 1km branch for £200-300m I’ll email Donna lol.
Just out of interest the new northern line extension is costing £1bn for 4km and 2 stations. So could probably do a 1km branch for £200-300m I’ll email Donna lol.
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Lilbaz
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Northumberland park will have cross rail 2. Whenever that is built. Tottenham hale is becoming a transport hub.
THFCSPURS19
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Considering how big a fuck up Crossrail 1 is, that probably won't be for another 100 years.
C0YS
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This has been the case for years now. We have a tendency to remember whl as a cauldron of noise but it rarely was. Always been park lane and the shelf making 90% of the noise.
I think the transport situation will be much better at weekends, people will stick around more, be it in the stadium or numerous pubs near by. The problem with Wembley want just the waiting but how little options fans had to stick around!
