Spur-of-the-moment
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- Jul 26, 2003
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1) Well, startingprice, I thought you might be able to do better than that. Well, SOTM, I thought you might be able to do better than that.
2) If Levy is telling the truth then you have a problem. If he's telling lies, then you still have a problem, Why, because I said he is a shrewd business man:shrug: I would have thought this just tends to illustrate my point. Thanks for bringing it to our attention. So, he won't directly say something he has allowed one of his lieutenants to say, because it is tactically inappropriate ATM, and...?
3) since he's spinning - the very thing you are trying to deny. WTF:grin: I have said several times "He spins, of course he does, they are professionals you are an amateur" - the bit you are getting confused about is that I say you spin, too. That in no way states that Mr Levy & co. don't spin (a point that I have on the contrary been very happy to state explicitly).
4) You can't have it both ways. Who says? He spins, but ultimately there are advantages to the OS which, I have no doubt, include financial ones. Who says I can't have it both ways?
5) Here are sloth's words: Am I my brother's keeper? Why are you quoting Sloths words to me, I never parroted them and he is a big boyshifty
"We know the difference in budgeted expenditure between the two is £200m, that's because the architect in charge of both projects has told us it is."
Are these the 'figures' you're talking about?
They're wrong.
6) You're asking me why Levy wants Stratford? I don't know,Ain't that the truth. But you are willing to put a negative SPIN on things and suggest all kinds of shenanigans, rather than just accept that there are almost certainly major advantages to moving to the OS that will almost certainly be of immense benefit to the club off and (hence) on the field that's my answer. If there are any advantages they appear to me to be so marginal that they are not wortth giving up our home, our tradition, our heritage and our culture for.
7) Levy could be mistaken. Given a choice between whether he is mistaken and you are mistaken, sorry, Good Pard'ner, but I am choosing you to be the mistaken one:wink: That's the problem. He could be taking bad advice. You'll recall that he woke up one morning and decided to sack Jol and appoint Ramos, universally regarded as a big mistake. He's not infallible.
8) Furthermore you have accused me of 'spin'. No. Sorry to confuse you about this. I have stated as absolute fact that you ARE spinning. I thought I had demonstrated this. You ask questions, but they are all negative. I ask questions which are negative and positive, and have given you examples to show how this is possible. I have even illustrated to you what my angle (or spin) is. Your SPIN is negative. My only argument is that the club has been spinning like crazy. It's not your only argument. You are also claiming that this SPIN has been to cover the fact that the benefits of moving to the OS, if any, are marginal. That is negative (and, thereforre, negative spin), and just does not bear scrutiny with the aid of common-sensse (as I demonstrated in a lengthy post that you either haven't read or felt totally incapable of refuting).I've shown that's the case by exposing the discrepancy between Keirle's statement (to which sloth has allied himself on this thread) and Levy's position. No, you have SPUN that into being the case. I have explained to you that it is a perfectly acceptable tactic that an experienced performer, like Dan Levy, would use. What I find so amusing is that 'suddenly', while being obsessed with SPIN, want to believe that Dan Levy is telling the truth as it tends to support your position:grin: Who's spinning? All sides - including me and you:hump:
9) I'm glad you don't want to move, and I'm glad that you would put your name to an appropriate petition. OK, we are agreed. So gald to have your approval. But I don't think we are agreed. I don't want to move, you point blank refuse to - to the point of illogically accepting that there are apparent advantages to moving to the OS. I don't want to move, if we have to move I would want it to be as close to WHL as possible. My first choice would be the NDP. But, and this is the important point, here, I am not a professional in this field, Mr Levy & co are.
10) But you do not do yourself any favours by accusing me of spin, But you are spinning, so how am I not doing myself any favourswhen all I am doing is asking questions, It is not all you arre doing, you also suggesting that there are no obvious advantages in moving to the OS, which defies logic, and, therefore, hinting at darker motives. questions which have been entirely appropriate. I never said your questions weren't appropriate, I said it was appropriate to ask questions from all angles - even those which don't agree with the position you ahve adopted. That is something you spectacularly fail to do.
Sotm
Mate, you're floundering.
On (1), squawk.
As for the rest...
Your blinkered argument has decided that I 'point blank refuse to move'. That's in your head, a little invention of yours, fella.
Keirle shoots his mouth off and Levy in effect corrects him by saying Stratford is not cheaper. It all depends on the deal available from the OPLC.
You've always been convinced Stratford is cheaper, and you repeat it again, though you weren't sufficiently naive to swallow the Keirle line (as others were). But Levy has said something quite different, now, in an extended interview where he couldn't get away with porkie pies. Which bit of this don't you get?
You are obsessed with the conviction that I am 'spinning' even though I have said, time and again, that I am asking questions. You really need to look the word 'spin' up in a contemporary dictionary. Spin is to do with public relations: it is professional. BY definition. There is no such thing as an amateur spinner.
There is a Spurs spin machine at work, we agree on this. But, as with all other kinds of spin, you have to treat its output with a good deal of scepticism. When I do that, you accuse me of spinning, which is both a misunderstanding of the word and a refusal to question what must always be questioned.
I'm a sceptic.
But, like a kind of religious zealot, you blindly believe that (a) Stratford must be cheaper (when Levy has actually said something else), (b) that it must have advantages to the club, and (b) that it cannot be possible that Levy is mistaken. In fact you appear to believe that Levy is actually infallible.
It's a kind of head-in-the-sand approach.
An ostrich as well as a parrot?
Sotm
