New Stadium Details And Discussions

[CoopsieDeadpool]

I'm guessing a bit here. I don't know what publication that redacted image is from - looks like a journal in which upcoming major tenders are published for the benefit of the construction industry. So I also don't know how accurate the figure might [not] be.

The fact that it says 'calculated' suggests to me that the publication have worked out the figure, based on limited information & their assumptions, as opposed to being told by THFC that the project will be funded with £188.2m of private investment, i.e., money from outside the club. That would suggest that the publication is [also?] aimed at investors, i.e., venture capitalists who commonly bankroll development projects.

The gap between the figures of £188.2m here and the total mooted cost of £450m is partly accounted for by the Northern Development, which I am pretty sure has been cash-flowed by Sainsbury's, partly accounted for by the possibility that the club is seeking to fund part of the scheme with an equity investor (possibly the same as the beneficiary of the naming rights? I'm guessing again...) and partly accounted for by an element of direct investment by ENIC.

I don't think the build period of one year for the whole stadium, the four refurbished listed buildings, the retail, the infrastructure improvements and the piazza is remotely realistic. It wouldn't surprise me if the publication's database has a default 12 month construction period unless someone inputs something else and no one knows, so they haven't entered anything.

Thank you, David. Same to Jambreck and Dovahkiin (spelling?) too. You guys are a necessity for those of us who live far away from N17

 

[ginola99]

Has there been any news murmurings on the Season Ticket waiting list since the summer?

I remember very well Levy saying that there was 42,000 on the ST waiting list back in May during his end of season message. Since then has anyone heard anything to to suggest that it's gone up or down?

It would be interesting to see if the players invested or Bale leaving last summer had an affect on the St waiting list.

Could anyone ask Edmonton this?

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

Has there been any news murmurings on the Season Ticket waiting list since the summer?

I remember very well Levy saying that there was 42,000 on the ST waiting list back in May during his end of season message. Since then has anyone heard anything to to suggest that it's gone up or down?

It would be interesting to see if the players invested or Bale leaving last summer had an affect on the St waiting list.

Could anyone ask Edmonton this?

The thing is, this mystical 'Season ticket waiting list' is just a figure to help Levy state his case, isn't it? I thought the overall opinion was that bronze members automatically get put on that list, even though many of them won't have an interest in, or won't be able to afford a season ticket? I don't actually 'know' that, it's just something I'd read.

 

[RichieS]

The thing is, this mystical 'Season ticket waiting list' is just a figure to help Levy state his case, isn't it? I thought the overall opinion was that bronze members automatically get put on that list, even though many of them won't have an interest in, or won't be able to afford a season ticket? I don't actually 'know' that, it's just something I'd read.

You're probably right in saying that the 42,000 figure is the number of One Hotspur Bronze members but I think pretty much the only difference between Lilywhite and Bronze is the waiting list spot. Could be wrong though.

 

[ginola99]

E-mailed the club and got a very quick response.

Hello Gavin,

Thank you for your email.

There are approximately 45,000 supporters on the season ticket waiting list at present.

Kind regards,

Jake

 

[Spursidol]

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I'm pretty sure this is from Glenigan (http://www.glenigan.com/about-glenigan) which is a database of possible construction projects which charges construction companies a fee to give them sales leads.

Glenigan in turn gathers whatever info in the public domain and makes reasonable assumptions about the info they don't have. So its far from accurate info .

 

[THFCSPURS19]

I'm pretty sure this is from Glenigan (http://www.glenigan.com/about-glenigan) which is a database of possible construction projects which charges construction companies a fee to give them sales leads.

Glenigan in turn gathers whatever info in the public domain and makes reasonable assumptions about the info they don't have. So its far from accurate info .

I just saw it from twitter so I posted it- I have no idea about any of this contract shit...

 

[Spursidol]

I just saw it from twitter so I posted it- I have no idea about any of this contract shit...

The more info we have on this thread the better so no problem with your post - I just wanted to explain why its not necessarily guaranteed to be 100% accurate. Good enough info for the construction industry, but not for Spurs fans !

 

[andyp8080]

E-mailed the club and got a very quick response.

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as Coopsieyid rightly says, as soon as you become a Bronze member you go on the list. Very difficult to say how many of those people would actually take a season ticket if offered. My guess is that at least half would not

 

[ginola99]

As soon as you become a member, really? I always thought you get asked a simple question such as:

Would you like to be put on the ST waiting list? YES NO

 

[jambreck]

As soon as you become a member, really? I always thought you get asked a simple question such as:

Would you like to be put on the ST waiting list? YES NO

You only get put on the season ticket waiting list if you opt for One Hotspur Bronze membership (as opposed to the standard One Hotspur Lilywhite membership). Being on the waiting list is one of the stated benefits of Bronze membership (which costs an initial extra £15 and then £5 extra for every subsequent year that you remain on the list). From the official site membership FAQ's:

One Hotspur Bronze - For the supporter who wants to attend matches as often as possible and take a place on the Season Ticket Waiting List.

 

[chrissivad]

You only get put on the season ticket waiting list if you opt for One Hotspur Bronze membership (as opposed to the standard One Hotspur Lilywhite membership). Being on the waiting list is one of the stated benefits of Bronze membership (which costs an initial extra £15 and then £5 extra for every subsequent year that you remain on the list). From the official site membership FAQ's:

One Hotspur Bronze - For the supporter who wants to attend matches as often as possible and take a place on the Season Ticket Waiting List.

and to add, there are some fans that go for the Bronze over the Lilly white because they get the chance to get tickets a day or two before the Lilly White members. So its difficult to know how many fans will want a season ticket

 

[Spurs_Bear]

I'm pretty sure this is from Glenigan (http://www.glenigan.com/about-glenigan) which is a database of possible construction projects which charges construction companies a fee to give them sales leads.

Glenigan in turn gathers whatever info in the public domain and makes reasonable assumptions about the info they don't have. So its far from accurate info .

This is exactly what Glenigans is, very similar to Barbour as well. Only as accurate as the information given out by the main contractors, which I can tell you first hand isn't very...

 

[jambreck]

and to add, there are some fans that go for the Bronze over the Lilly white because they get the chance to get tickets a day or two before the Lilly White members. So its difficult to know how many fans will want a season ticket

Indeed.

At a guess, probably 50% of Bronze members have no interest in a season ticket.

But with 23K season ticket holders already, that would still mean 45K season ticket holders at the new stadium, when it is finally built. Which is probably the maximum that Spurs would allow anyway (or close to it).

 

[davidmatzdorf]

It's clear enough that the sole purpose of introducing the Bronze membership years ago was to find out how many people would take up a season ticket if they had the chance. It was introduced specifically to find out how big the new stadium should be. Back then, there really were no benefits to being a Bronze member, other than getting your name on the ST waiting list. That's the only reason I did it and it worked, as we were offered season tickets prior to the 2009/10 season and grabbed them, lest we never have a second chance.

There may be other reason now why people opt for Bronze membership, although the other benefits are still minimal, but I have little doubt that the intention behind the scheme was to gauge the level of take-up for additional season tickets if we had a larger stadium.

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

This CPO decision for Archway steel. We've been told that it should be made early this year, so I guess any time now, with that May 5th date being the provisional starting date. IF this CPO is served to Archway Steel, is that 'final', and they have no choice but to vacate the premises?

 

[SpurSince57]

Has there been any news murmurings on the Season Ticket waiting list since the summer?

I remember very well Levy saying that there was 42,000 on the ST waiting list back in May during his end of season message. Since then has anyone heard anything to to suggest that it's gone up or down?

It would be interesting to see if the players invested or Bale leaving last summer had an affect on the St waiting list.

Could anyone ask Edmonton this?

There have been allegations that the ST waiting list figures have been massaged for years—but see David's post regarding the Bronze Membership.

 

[SpurSince57]

This CPO decision for Archway steel. We've been told that it should be made early this year, so I guess any time now, with that May 5th date being the provisional starting date. IF this CPO is served to Archway Steel, is that 'final', and they have no choice but to vacate the premises?

I'm sure they will be able to appeal, but ultimately this will just be a way of screwing maximum compensation.

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

I'm sure they will be able to appeal, but ultimately this will just be a way of screwing maximum compensation.

Thank you SS57. So basically, they can continue to piss us around, and continue to appeal, for as long as they are content to do so? I've read that we have offered them as much as £2million for their site, but they're holding out for more than double that, even though that £2million is the amount they're supposedly worth? I've also read that they are likely to get considerably less than our offer, if they end up just being compensated.

I just wish I could understand it better. I don't see the point of this bloody CPO thing, if it doesn't actually mean anything, because they can simply appeal against it, which I imagine will take many months (years?) to go through the appeal process, and we could just be back to square one?

 

[SpurSince57]

Thank you SS57. So basically, they can continue to piss us around, and continue to appeal, for as long as they are content to do so? I've read that we have offered them as much as £2million for their site, but they're holding out for more than double that, even though that £2million is the amount they're supposedly worth? I've also read that they are likely to get considerably less than our offer, if they end up just being compensated.

I just wish I could understand it better. I don't see the point of this bloody CPO thing, if it doesn't actually mean anything, because they can simply appeal against it, which I imagine will take many months (years?) to go through the appeal process, and we could just be back to square one?

David will know a lot more about this stuff than I do, but I'm pretty sure they can make an appeal to the High Court and that that will be that.