New Stadium Details And Discussions

[dovahkiin]

yid_jamie on coys:
My friends family who owns a warehouse in tottenham, they know the archway steel guy and apparently he has settled on an offer put to him by tottenham, hopefully this is true I trust my friend but as always passed on in good faith

 

[Lilbaz]

yid_jamie on coys:
My friends family who owns a warehouse in tottenham, they know the archway steel guy and apparently he has settled on an offer put to him by tottenham, hopefully this is true I trust my friend but as always passed on in good faith

Dov you have to change your description from Well Known Member to Pimp of the Rumour Whores (or something).

 

[dovahkiin]

Dov you have to change your description from Well Known Member to Pimp of the Rumour Whores (or something).

how do u do that?

 

[Lilbaz]

how do u do that?

Tbh I have no idea.

 

[Dinghy]

how do u do that?

You say pretty please to @Archibald&Crooks or one of the other reprobates running this site...


[edit: Please don't ban me for calling the mods reprobates... It was meant in jest... Honest! ]

 

[absolute bobbins]

how do u do that?

I'll point you in the right direction as thanks for being such a good little whore.

Click here http://spurscommunity.co.uk/index.php?account/

 

[dovahkiin]

I'll point you in the right direction as thanks for being such a good little whore.

Click here http://spurscommunity.co.uk/index.php?account/

found it. just testing

 

[Spursidol]

yid_jamie on coys:
My friends family who owns a warehouse in tottenham, they know the archway steel guy and apparently he has settled on an offer put to him by tottenham, hopefully this is true I trust my friend but as always passed on in good faith

Very interesting - are you able to look at the guys posting history to see how reputable the guy looks to you ? Apologies if you've already done that

 

[Lighty64]

yid_jamie on coys:
My friends family who owns a warehouse in tottenham, they know the archway steel guy and apparently he has settled on an offer put to him by tottenham, hopefully this is true I trust my friend but as always passed on in good faith

they must of heard me chanting F Off Archway as i walked past last night.

did notice a lot of ground work has been done to the place i used to park, so they are definitely kicking on with the stadium, just prey im alive to visit at least once, even though it will never feel the same, though deep down it's never felt the same since its been an all-seater

 

[worcestersauce]

Put this in the wrong thread earlier. So thought I owuld post in here.

I think it would of been better to develop the existing site rather than the "blue emirates" we have planned.

Ww could of started with the West stand. Currently holds only 6800. Built in its place a 20,000 seater stand with all the coroprate facilities needed. Plenty of room on the west side of the stadium to do something very sepcial. Similar to the new anfield stand or the north stand at old trafford.

In the mean time capacity would be reduced to 30,000 for a season or so.

Then once this is completed demolish and rebuilt the East stand. Currently holds 10,700. In its place built a 15,000 seater stand. Again with all the corporate facilities needed.

Whilst work on the East stand is being done the capaicity would be 38,500.

Then once this is done replace the roofs on the North and South stands with something iconic and special.

and your left with something like this..



Capacity of around 54,000 in a unique iconic stadium which is quite clearly White HArt LAne.

Anyone else think this would be better than a boring generic bowl like the "blue emirates" we currently have planned.

So what you're saying is Arsenal have built a s new stadium so we shouldn't?

 

[JimmyG2]

So what you're saying is Arsenal have built a s new stadium so we shouldn't?

I've lost track now.
Was the option of a complete refurb of the current stadium
ever seriously examined.
Or were we dazzled by the prospect of a shiny new one?
Could easily have achieved an extra 20.000 surely
and a score or so corporate thingies.
Too late now probably our minds have moved on
but we could have done that 10 years ago.

 

[SugarRay]

Arsenal have 150 boxes. West Ham will have 30.

I wasn't aware of the amount of actual boxes to be honest, more to do with corporate seating. Not every box will be the same size. I read somewhere that the Emirates has 8000 odd corporate seats. I expect ours would be of a similar size, possibly bigger if we could manage it.
West Ham are restricted big time when it comes to corporate seating, because, and another reason why it's such a crap move for them, they don't own the place. They can't ever own it either thanks to Levy and our challenge. That's the real reason why we were "invited" to bid and why we accepted that invite. To reduce West Hams position of power they held at the time of the bid.
Much easier to call the shots when you are the only bidder.

 

[Hoopspur]

I wasn't aware of the amount of actual boxes to be honest, more to do with corporate seating. Not every box will be the same size. I read somewhere that the Emirates has 8000 odd corporate seats. I expect ours would be of a similar size, possibly bigger if we could manage it.
West Ham are restricted big time when it comes to corporate seating, because, and another reason why it's such a crap move for them, they don't own the place. They can't ever own it either thanks to Levy and our challenge. That's the real reason why we were "invited" to bid and why we accepted that invite. To reduce West Hams position of power they held at the time of the bid.
Much easier to call the shots when you are the only bidder.

Don't think that's true actually. They will be entitled to bid for it when the lease runs out in 999 years!!

 

[dave5150]

Well, Cain Hoy won't be buying us (yet)... http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/29361018

I guess it would be much easier to sell the club if the stadium was complete or at least in the process of being built.

 

[Hoopspur]

Well, Cain Hoy won't be buying us (yet)... http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/29361018

I guess it would be much easier to sell the club if the stadium was complete or at least in the process of being built.

There were a lot of people saying it was a PR move from Cain Hoy. A newly established financial company making a lot of noise.

 

[davidmatzdorf]

I've lost track now.
Was the option of a complete refurb of the current stadium
ever seriously examined.
Or were we dazzled by the prospect of a shiny new one?
Could easily have achieved an extra 20.000 surely
and a score or so corporate thingies.
Too late now probably our minds have moved on
but we could have done that 10 years ago.

I'm quite convinced that the key problem with an extension/expansion of WHL is the width of the vomitoria: the main exit routes. I can see just from being there that they are structurally integral to the building and they aren't wide enough to permit a much larger crowd to exit safely, especially in an emergency.

That's just one headline factor. The building is obsolete in nearly every way and isn't constructed in a modern/lightweight/flexible/modular manner, so it is very hard to alter it without basically demolishing it. There just isn't enough there that is re-usable and preservable.

We'd have to move out for the duration of the works, perhaps 2 seasons if it goes smoothly. Add in the lack of scope to increase the number of boxes and corporate/luxury facilities it's soon plain that extending WHL is a waste of time.

It's hard for me to explain chapter and verse about this - I've just spent so much time wandering around old buildings with architects and clients, trying to work out whether to save them or knock them down, that WHL just screams out 'over the hill' and 'unsalvageable' to me. There are just tens of specific building-related reasons and I'd have to do a proper tour with existing plans and clipboard in hand to turn my overwhelming impression into an evidenced conclusion.

 

[Led's Zeppelin]

I'm quite convinced that the key problem with an extension/expansion of WHL is the width of the vomitoria: the main exit routes. I can see just from being there that they are structurally integral to the building and they aren't wide enough to permit a much larger crowd to exit safely, especially in an emergency.

That's just one headline factor. The building is obsolete in nearly every way and isn't constructed in a modern/lightweight/flexible/modular manner, so it is very hard to alter it without basically demolishing it. There just isn't enough there that is re-usable and preservable.

We'd have to move out for the duration of the works, perhaps 2 seasons if it goes smoothly. Add in the lack of scope to increase the number of boxes and corporate/luxury facilities it's soon plain that extending WHL is a waste of time.

It's hard for me to explain chapter and verse about this - I've just spent so much time wandering around old buildings with architects and clients, trying to work out whether to save them or knock them down, that WHL just screams out 'over the hill' and 'unsalvageable' to me. There are just tens of specific building-related reasons and I'd have to do a proper tour with existing plans and clipboard in hand to turn my overwhelming impression into an evidenced conclusion.

Daniel Levy employed architects to design the re-fit and expansion of WHL to 48,000. I went to a few of the meetings over a period of about 18 months and it was being taken very seriously indeed. But there were so many stumbling blocks. Many were to do with the site itself being too small, some were to do with the access and transport issues which fell into an odd sort of vicious circle whereby to solve the problems you would have to go even bigger than the existing site would permit.

There was also the cost/benefit problem. Spurs felt that the best use of money would be to build a brand new stadium with more potential to generate more income both due to a larger capacity and also because of the far better facilities that a bigger stadium could offer. It would also help some of the access issues if you were able to attract people in earlier and keep some of them around longer after the game. Access is not just a problem of absolute total attendance figures but also how they are spread over the hours before and after the game, so it was perceived that a bigger stadium might ease some of the problems whilst at the same time making more money. It required a bigger investment obviously, but would be a much better use of money pound-for-pound.

Everything added up to a new stadium, and they ditched the upgrade idea.

 

[razor1981]

From el.pezza on SO:

Just been having a conversation with Archway Steel via Facebook after asking them about what they thought about possibly holding up the borough's development plans with their stance on selling up

'Alot the business that were relocated were not freeholders of the land and deals were done with the land owners privately leaving business with no choice but to more.

We do look at the grand scheme of things, if this land is valuable and we are the key to unlocking this project, do you think we should be compensated accordingly ?'

Which sort of highlights what they are after.

 

[M.I.B.]

I'm quite convinced that the key problem with an extension/expansion of WHL is the width of the vomitoria: the main exit routes. I can see just from being there that they are structurally integral to the building and they aren't wide enough to permit a much larger crowd to exit safely, especially in an emergency.

That's just one headline factor. The building is obsolete in nearly every way and isn't constructed in a modern/lightweight/flexible/modular manner, so it is very hard to alter it without basically demolishing it. There just isn't enough there that is re-usable and preservable.

We'd have to move out for the duration of the works, perhaps 2 seasons if it goes smoothly. Add in the lack of scope to increase the number of boxes and corporate/luxury facilities it's soon plain that extending WHL is a waste of time.

It's hard for me to explain chapter and verse about this - I've just spent so much time wandering around old buildings with architects and clients, trying to work out whether to save them or knock them down, that WHL just screams out 'over the hill' and 'unsalvageable' to me. There are just tens of specific building-related reasons and I'd have to do a proper tour with existing plans and clipboard in hand to turn my overwhelming impression into an evidenced conclusion.

Just a quick one on the bold bit.

We used to get 60k out safely in times gone by.

What's changed, in your opinion?

 

[Led's Zeppelin]

Just a quick one on the bold bit.

We used to get 60k out safely in times gone by.

What's changed, in your opinion?

Cars.