New Stadium Details And Discussions

[jambreck]

Edmonton on COYS

It's possible that the drilling is done.

But I find it hard to believe that the piling is also done. If it was, we'd surely see some evidence at ground level - either in the form of piling caps or in the form of concrete columns or steel rods sticking out of the ground.

But that could just be because I know very little about the construction process! davidmatzdorf or ionman can doubtless put me right.

 

[Ionman34]

Yes, you're right. This bit is nonsense:



He has confused 'pilings' with 'pylons'. That curve of exposed corrugated steel sheets is sheet-piling - it's probably temporary work, to retain earth when they excavate for the foundations.

First, the main piles will be augered (drilled, rather than driven) individually and will be huge reinforced concrete columns cast directly into the hole that has been drilled out of the soil. They'll go down many metres, depending on the soil conditions (most of North London is founded on extremely deep clay deposits).

Then they will cast reinforced concrete ground-beams to connect up and restrain the tops of the piles and I think the sheet-piling is there to enable them to do that, without having the excavations collapse.

The main perimeter of the superstructure is then built off those ground-beams.

@Ionman34 might be able to shed some more light on this or even correct anything I have wrong.

Pretty much bang on David. I can't see the pictures too well on my phone, but they look like Larsson piles, a type of sheet pile with a greater sectional depth that, when interlinked, requires minimal shoring. I've used them for temporary retaining walls and coffer dams in the past.

The main piles themselves will, I suspect, be a mixture of types, depending on ground type and loading. As London is primarily on a Clay basin, I'd say that the piles will be skin friction rather than end bearing, depending on the depth of bedrock. In the 'heavier' sections of the structure I would guess at the use of CFA piles (continuous flyte auger) as they are generally a larger diameter and go deeper, giving better surface tension.
Elsewhere should be a mixture of traditional augered and driven precast piling, again dependent on loads and ground conditions.

In some cases I've seen vibrated stone piles used (Concrete floor slabs), but I doubt very much they'd be used here.

 

[Dinghy]

Pretty much bang on David. I can't see the pictures too well on my phone, but they look like Larsson piles, a type of sheet pile with a greater sectional depth that, when interlinked, requires minimal shoring. I've used them for temporary retaining walls and coffer dams in the past.

The main piles themselves will, I suspect, be a mixture of types, depending on ground type and loading. As London is primarily on a Clay basin, I'd say that the piles will be skin friction rather than end bearing, depending on the depth of bedrock. In the 'heavier' sections of the structure I would guess at the use of CFA piles (continuous flyte auger) as they are generally a larger diameter and go deeper, giving better surface tension.
Elsewhere should be a mixture of traditional augered and driven precast piling, again dependent on loads and ground conditions.

In some cases I've seen vibrated stone piles used (Concrete floor slabs), but I doubt very much they'd be used here.

Got to say I understood little to none of that but thanks nonetheless !

 

[Ionman34]

It's possible that the drilling is done.

But I find it hard to believe that the piling is also done. If it was, we'd surely see some evidence at ground level - either in the form of piling caps or in the form of concrete columns or steel rods sticking out of the ground.

But that could just be because I know very little about the construction process! davidmatzdorf or ionman can doubtless put me right.

You wouldn't necessarily see much above ground at this stage. The piling platform level is generally a meter or so above pile cut off level. Once the piles are cast, the ground is then reduced and the tops of the piles broken down, with reo exposed to tie into the pile caps and ground beams. I'd expect to see precast piles, but if they haven't used them then all you will really see are what looks like puddles of Concrete dotted around the site.

I would be quite surprised if the piling is already complete though. Maybe Edmonton is referring to the sheet piling?

 

[Ionman34]

Got to say I understood little to none of that but thanks nonetheless !

LOL, sorry. It's difficult to explain this in laymans terms without sounding condescending.

With skin friction piles, you are using the friction between the ground and the surface area of the pile to support the weight of the structure. The larger the surface area, the more load the pile can take.

London is primarily on a Clay basin, meaning that the substrata is Clay to a great depth, with an Aquifer below. This means that solid bedrock is a long way down, generally to far for piles to found or bear onto it, hence the skin friction type.

Hopefully this helps you a bit more. If not , go with "big pile take heavy load pale face!"

 

[Spurger King]

Maybe they've already started drilling on White Hart Lane's pitch. That would certainly help explain the massive holes in our defence.

 

[jambreck]

You wouldn't necessarily see much above ground at this stage. The piling platform level is generally a meter or so above pile cut off level. Once the piles are cast, the ground is then reduced and the tops of the piles broken down, with reo exposed to tie into the pile caps and ground beams. I'd expect to see precast piles, but if they haven't used them then all you will really see are what looks like puddles of Concrete dotted around the site.

I would be quite surprised if the piling is already complete though. Maybe Edmonton is referring to the sheet piling?

Cheers.

From what I can see, there's no sign of any type of piling on or above surface level.

Which makes me suspect that edmonton must be referring to the sheet piling. And that was completed a while ago.

 

[Lilbaz]

What does Edmonton do? He might just be like me and doesn't know the difference between sheet pilling and other pilling.

 

[whitesocks]

http://www.theguardian.com/artandde...eneration-londons-most-deprived-spurs-stadium
Long long article above about the regeneration of the area.
A few snippets of the bigger picture:

It is hard to find people in the area who don’t want the club to stay. The foundation would be missed. But the regenerative power of stadia is regularly overstated – apart from 20 to 30 match days per year that briefly flood the location with crowds, they are cold dark places that add little to their surroundings.
This is one reason why Wembley, for example, is not the most vibrant part of London. “In the context of Tottenham,” says Claire Kober, whose face seems to harden at the mention of the football club, “it is a very small part of the wider regeneration.”
The Archway v Spurs battle also dramatises a central issue in the future of the area, which is the extent to which the old Tottenham of making things and running small shops has to make way for the new Tottenham, packaged for external investors at MIPIM.

They also conspicuously don’t mention the industries that are such an important part of Tottenham. Neither does the Arup report. So far a principal effect of regeneration plans is the loss, already accomplished on the Spurs stadium site and proposed on the Peacock Estate, of a large amount of employment space. Perhaps when the 5,000 promised jobs materialise all will be well, but closing down these working areas seems like a funny way to set about reviving employment. They are also important to London as a whole – there has to be somewhere where its bread is baked, its coffee machines maintained and its cars fixed.

It [High Road West] looks geared to a corporate supporter who will be able to get on a train in the City of London and go straight to his or her seat without leaving a bubble of Premier League glamour, or making contact with the shops and streets that currently make up Tottenham. Donna-Maria Cullen, executive director, survivor of three management regimes over the past two decades, and Spurs to her dark-blue lacquered fingertips, says as much: the advice they are getting on potential investment is that the area around has to [be] changed as well as the stadium site.

With 115,000 residents, it’s as big as a decent-sized town, but there is a void where its local government should be: the old borough of Tottenham was absorbed into Haringey 50 years ago, an uneasy union from which many of the area’s problems stem. Affluent places on the other side of Haringey mean that the modern borough is the most unequal in London. Council decisions, like the creation of Wood Green Shopping City in the 1970s, have not always been to Tottenham’s benefit. It is an exceptional place that suffers from low self-esteem.

 

[Lilbaz]

It is bs that the stadium is only used for games. My mate used to be the head cheff at Spurs they had corporate events nearly every day of the week. As for the businesses. Who said they had to move out of the borough or cease to exist?
The regeneration of the area is massive and hopefully provides a lot of jobs to local people. These people can then move onto other projects when this is complete.

 

[L.A. Yiddo]

While the pictures may be useful, apparently this guy's descriptions are inaccurate. A guy on Twitter called @L.A. Yiddo - (I assume you are the same guy ) said he's "talking out of his arse".

Mike Collett Reuters‏@footballmc
Work started on Spurs new ground weeks ago but much more done last couple of weeks foundations being laid

Mike Collett Reuters‏@footballmc
Another view of the #Spurs work That thin brown lower curve are the huge steel pylons Outline of new ground

Mike Collett Reuters‏@footballmc
That is. ... They are the tops of huge steel pylons sunk deep into the ground

He didn't take too kindly to it!! Typical hack who doesn't know his arse from his elbow and spouts off as if what he's saying is gospel..

I was right though

 

[beats1]

It's possible that the drilling is done.

But I find it hard to believe that the piling is also done. If it was, we'd surely see some evidence at ground level - either in the form of piling caps or in the form of concrete columns or steel rods sticking out of the ground.

But that could just be because I know very little about the construction process! davidmatzdorf or ionman can doubtless put me right.

I don't think the drilling is done or even started.

I saw some pictures of a borer but that imo would be for soil samples for foundations and etc.

No way piling has started without anyone noticing

No real work will start until a revised planning permission is submitted imo

 

[Booney]

Who ever thought we would have all got so pre-occupied with piles on here?

This stadium business can do funny things to people

 

[ryantegan]

When I was in the VIP box at Wembley courtesy of the Redknapps (cough cough) I was surprised that I was almost being force fed beers out in the stadium area in few of the pitch

The lady there almost couldnt give me enough

Nice to see yet another "creative" rating from Spurger King

So creative was this post I even pushed the boat out and drew some pictures

Oh look,theres Mark, Sandra and John Bond.

 

[Dinghy]

If not , go with "big pile take heavy load pale face!"

Makes perfect sense now!

 

[Amo]

It is bs that the stadium is only used for games. My mate used to be the head cheff at Spurs they had corporate events nearly every day of the week. As for the businesses. Who said they had to move out of the borough or cease to exist?
The regeneration of the area is massive and hopefully provides a lot of jobs to local people. These people can then move onto other projects when this is complete.

Not really mate. I actually live in Tottenham and spend most of my day in Dalston. The way Dalston has changed has been unrecognisable. Pure gentrification with an onslaught of rich and middle-class people, mostly white, and the expulsion of poorer and working class people who were mostly from ethnic minorities. Hosuing was built with hardly any provisions for affordable units and rents skyrocketed. It's a nice place now, very trendy, less crime, safer. But it feels hollow.

Tottenham's going the same way. The club has went back on its commitments to build affordable housing. Wanting more public money is more forgivable but wanting more public money AND not building housing is less so. To then have the cheek to pretend they're all about the local community.. Most of the club's support comes from way outside the area and they know it. The vast majority supporters won't be affected by gentrification. All they will see is 'regeneration'.

We could have had the latter without the former but private interests prevail.

 

[worcestersauce]

Not really mate. I actually live in Tottenham and spend most of my day in Dalston. The way Dalston has changed has been unrecognisable. Pure gentrification with an onslaught of rich and middle-class people, mostly white, and the expulsion of poorer and working class people who were mostly from ethnic minorities. Hosuing was built with hardly any provisions for affordable units and rents skyrocketed. It's a nice place now, very trendy, less crime, safer. But it feels hollow.

Tottenham's going the same way. The club has went back on its commitments to build affordable housing. Wanting more public money is more forgivable but wanting more public money AND not building housing is less so. To then have the cheek to pretend they're all about the local community.. Most of the club's support comes from way outside the area and they know it. The vast majority supporters won't be affected by gentrification. All they will see is 'regeneration'.

We could have had the latter without the former but private interests prevail.

I don't think the club has ever said it is ALL about the local community, what it says is that it is part of the local community and will support the local community.
My understanding is that the homes that will be built will be in accordance with the council's wishes so I'm not sure whether the club has anything to answer for.
You are probably right about most supporters coming from outside but most of them originate from the area and at some time or other moved out, maybe because there wasn't the homes they wanted, maybe a little bit of up market aspiration is what the area needs.

 

[fridgemagnet]

I may have dreamt it but i'm sure i read Levy went shopping for steel and stuff when the arse crashed out of the economy and it was available cheaper.

 

[jambreck]

Tottenham's going the same way. The club has went back on its commitments to build affordable housing. Wanting more public money is more forgivable but wanting more public money AND not building housing is less so. To then have the cheek to pretend they're all about the local community.. Most of the club's support comes from way outside the area and they know it. The vast majority supporters won't be affected by gentrification. All they will see is 'regeneration'.

We could have had the latter without the former but private interests prevail.

I don't think we can say that Tottenham is going the same way as Dalston until we see how regeneration unfolds. All we can say for certain is that the area will change.

And just to be clear, Spurs haven't asked for or been given a penny of public money. They have simply been relieved of the burden of contributing the majority of the £17m that they had initially been asked to contribute to public works as part of the S106 agreement. Huge difference.

As to the affordable housing, the first thing that needs to be pointed out is that, in terms of housing stock, what the area most lacks is good quality private housing - not social housing. Nevertheless, Spurs have been involved in the provision of the new Brook House, just a short walk up the High Road. And that will be affordable housing (or similar).

As to Spurs' relationship with the local community, the club's Foundation does a truly fantastic job throughout the borough - and beyond. It has won multiple awards. And it is one of the prime reasons why there has been overwhelming support from locals for the new stadium development. Not to mention that the club has also built, and will remain an active partner with, the UTC - which will be an incredible resource for the area over the coming years.

 

[Houdini]

I listened in to a phone conversation today and heard that we will be at Wembley in November. A compo deal has been agreed and Spurs people were in agreement with what Wembley laid out on the table.