New Stadium Details And Discussions

[N17_spurs]

Match going Spurs fans letting Levy know what they think about the stadium situation

 

[sharky_marky]

So you haven't glanced towards the Hale over the last 18 months or so and wondered what those bloody great cranes and brand new tower blocks are doing down there?

Sorry old chap, I'm from Chelmsford so haven't been within the vicinity of the Hale for a while. Never mind we should have got in first a long time ago.

With your extensive knowledge of the area SS57, have you any ideas of any possible alternative sites for a new stadium?

 

[SpurSince57]

Sorry old chap, I'm from Chelmsford so haven't been within the vicinity of the Hale for a while. Never mind we should have got in first a long time ago.

With your extensive knowledge of the area SS57, have you any ideas of any possible alternative sites for a new stadium?

Right, you're let off, then! :grin:

I agree, the old GLC Supplies site would have been a highly viable location; there really aren't any others.

 

[AngerManagement]

Match going Spurs fans letting Levy know what they think about the stadium situation

Yes that 4 man and a dog gathering with crassly made banner and drunk sounding song really put the pressure on Levy

 

[worcestersauce]

Match going Spurs fans letting Levy know what they think about the stadium situation

So you think most match going fans think like you do you, is this scientific research or just your opinion?

Edit: Actually don't bother I don't really care what you think you're not worth it.

 

[Lilbaz]

I must say I'm really disappointed. Why doesn't negative rep get different wording for each level like positive rep does? I'm sure that N17 should be the the son of Satan by now.

 

[CosmicHotspur]

It's ridiculous to say that those of who can no longer go to games don't care and I haven't been to a game there for some years now but I care passionately and I find the thought of Spurs moving out of the area, even out of WHL, quite upsetting.

I grew up around the Spurs ground and was inside and just outside it collecting autographs and getting to know the players for much of my schooldays. If I missed a game for any reason, I suffered real distress and probably had withdrawal symptoms, even if I didn't recognise them back then - it was a real addiction to support my team. My earliest memories, before my dad took me to some games in the 1950s, were of all the cars and coaches parked in our roads and the streams of supporters going to the game on foot and the look of anticipation and hope in their eyes as they made their way to the game.

Those of us with strong memories of the Lane do care even if we can now only watch Spurs play on TV or on-line, as I do nowadays.

Protests will have no impact. The ultimate decision will be based on financial security for the future of the club and those of us who remember the past and glory in N17 will have to adjust to that which will be much more difficult for us than for those without the memories.

 

[ethanedwards]

It's ridiculous to say that those of who can no longer go to games don't care and I haven't been to a game there for some years now but I care passionately and I find the thought of Spurs moving out of the area, even out of WHL, quite upsetting.

I grew up around the Spurs ground and was inside and just outside it collecting autographs and getting to know the players for much of my schooldays. If I missed a game for any reason, I suffered real distress and probably had withdrawal symptoms, even if I didn't recognise them back then - it was a real addiction to support my team. My earliest memories, before my dad took me to some games in the 1950s, were of all the cars and coaches parked in our roads and the streams of supporters going to the game on foot and the look of anticipation and hope in their eyes as they made their way to the game.

Those of us with strong memories of the Lane do care even if we can now only watch Spurs play on TV or on-line, as I do nowadays.

Protests will have no impact. The ultimate decision will be based on financial security for the future of the club and those of us who remember the past and glory in N17 will have to adjust to that which will be much more difficult for us than for those without the memories.

Lovely post Cosmic

 

[RickyVilla]

It's ridiculous to say that those of who can no longer go to games don't care and I haven't been to a game there for some years now but I care passionately and I find the thought of Spurs moving out of the area, even out of WHL, quite upsetting.

I grew up around the Spurs ground and was inside and just outside it collecting autographs and getting to know the players for much of my schooldays. If I missed a game for any reason, I suffered real distress and probably had withdrawal symptoms, even if I didn't recognise them back then - it was a real addiction to support my team. My earliest memories, before my dad took me to some games in the 1950s, were of all the cars and coaches parked in our roads and the streams of supporters going to the game on foot and the look of anticipation and hope in their eyes as they made their way to the game.

Those of us with strong memories of the Lane do care even if we can now only watch Spurs play on TV or on-line, as I do nowadays.

Protests will have no impact. The ultimate decision will be based on financial security for the future of the club and those of us who remember the past and glory in N17 will have to adjust to that which will be much more difficult for us than for those without the memories.

Armchair supporter!! ;-). Good post Carol!! :up:

 

[AngerManagement]

It's ridiculous to say that those of who can no longer go to games don't care and I haven't been to a game there for some years now but I care passionately and I find the thought of Spurs moving out of the area, even out of WHL, quite upsetting.

I grew up around the Spurs ground and was inside and just outside it collecting autographs and getting to know the players for much of my schooldays. If I missed a game for any reason, I suffered real distress and probably had withdrawal symptoms, even if I didn't recognise them back then - it was a real addiction to support my team. My earliest memories, before my dad took me to some games in the 1950s, were of all the cars and coaches parked in our roads and the streams of supporters going to the game on foot and the look of anticipation and hope in their eyes as they made their way to the game.

Those of us with strong memories of the Lane do care even if we can now only watch Spurs play on TV or on-line, as I do nowadays.

Protests will have no impact. The ultimate decision will be based on financial security for the future of the club and those of us who remember the past and glory in N17 will have to adjust to that which will be much more difficult for us than for those without the memories.

Nice post

I also agree that the protests will not have any impact, but I certainly think those who feel strongly enough about the issue should try what they can to be heard and make the changes they want.

I have many a memory of White Hart Lane myself, I have been going to the Lane since I was in Junior School and have been with my father, grandfather and friends. Drank in the pubs around the ground, ate in the chip shops and kebab shops even the dominos pizza and mcd's from time to time. the area like the club has been a fairly significant part of my life since I was a school child.

It would be emotional to see WHL get torn down (regardless of where the new stadium were to be built) but I know I would roll on supporting my club regardless with no less passion or conviction, I was born a spurs fan, I had a 1980 spurs kit as soon as I was allowed out the incubator I love spurs and I always will, moving to Stratford will not effect this in any way.

 

[Lilbaz]

http://www.google.com/hostednews/uk...IiPZzXHuo0WE6uLiA?docId=N0467761296490872932A

Spurs bid getting backing from Athletes Eek At last someone realises that keeping the Olympic stadium is not a legacy, but that legacy is helping the small athletics clubs.

 

[worcestersauce]

http://www.google.com/hostednews/uk...IiPZzXHuo0WE6uLiA?docId=N0467761296490872932A

Spurs bid getting backing from Athletes Eek At last someone realises that keeping the Olympic stadium is not a legacy, but that legacy is helping the small athletics clubs.

They are absolutely correct about West Ham pulling up the track and starting again in a few years, quite honestly I'm astonished that there are people who believe this won't happen, then again they are athletics beaurocrats I suppose.

On another note I just hope we can get on with a decision one way or the other as after this transfer window I'm even more convinced that we can't even get close to the top clubs with the status quo.

 

[Hoowl]

Jim Cowan: Is the Olympic Stadium debate about legacy or is it a smokescreen?
01 February 2011 Share

It was supposed to be a quiet Sunday lunchtime pint however the locals, knowing I used to be an athlete, were keen to get my take on the big Tottenham v West Ham match. No, not a football match; the Olympic Stadium and the whole so-called legacy.

They were surprised by my view.

So called legacy? Are you serious? Isn't this a serious debate about a legacy for athletics in the UK?

But is it? In what way exactly does West Ham's proposed saving the track at the Olympic Stadium provide a legacy for athletics that Tottenham's proposed redevelopment of Crystal Palace does not?

Let's face it, after the embarrassing withdrawal from the hosting of the 2005 World Athletics Championships, it is unlikely that event will be visiting London soon. So, after 2012 what use will a 60,000 seat stadium be to athletics? Very little. The annual London Grand Prix might sell that many tickets but that is unlikely and so the harsh truth is that in maintaining the track at Stratford we would be creating a white elephant legacy of the kind Coe, Jowell & Co said we would not do, of the kind they pointed to in Sydney and Barcelona and Athens.

Double Olympian and leading coach John Bicourt is another former athlete who agrees. He has reminded us all that actually, post-Games, the original plan was to reduce the Olympic Stadium capacity to 25,000 to create a dedicated venue for athletics. As Mr Bicourt states; this was a bid promise.

But still, what of legacy?

The whole stadium/legacy debate is little more than a smokescreen to deflect our gazes from the lack of the legacy that was promised as part of the London 2012 bid; that of more people doing sport. Watching an athletics meeting in front of 60,000 empty seats is hardly likely to inspire future generations to take up what is fast becoming a minority sport.

I have written fairly frequently in these pages of the lack of strategy for the development of sport in this country. I have also pointed out on numerous occasions that throwing initiatives at the problem will not create any sustainable legacy for sport. I won't repeat myself, those articles are still available on this blog for anyone interested however I will point out that we will not guarantee the legacy of increased sporting participation via the sort of "cross your fingers and hope" planning seen by both current and previous Governments.



Professor Mike Weed in his excellent blog wrote: "Today BBC London published a poll that found 63 per cent of Londoners believe 'It would damage the legacy if the stadium cannot hold athletics after 2012'. Lord Coe has said that London 2012 is 'morally obligated' to preserve an athletics legacy. But, in the haystack of words that have been written on the stadium legacy options, there are very few needles on the nature of the athletics legacy that the stadium is expected to deliver, and not even a pin on what EVIDENCE exists for such legacies.

"In short, while the quantity of comment has been extensive, the quality of debate has been poor. No-one on either side has detailed WHAT the athletics legacy is intended to be (more participants? more elite athletes? more elite events? all of these?), HOW retaining a track at the stadium will develop such legacies, WHO is intended to benefit and, most importantly, what EVIDENCE exists to suggest that the WHAT, HOW and WHO is viable? Perhaps the postponement of the stadium decision will give advocates on all sides the time to consider their moral obligation to improve the quality of the debate!"

Ill defined then, but smokescreen? Oh yes. For while Sport England are telling us how successful the funding of athletics - fast becoming a minority sport? - has been in driving up participation in that sport, research by others tells an entirely different story.

For starters, Sport England's statistics include everyone who jogs once a week. Yes, seriously, if you jog once a week you are part of the Government's "evidence" that athletics is growing nicely, that the legacy is falling into place.

So concerned are they that the truth is being misrepresented, the Association of British Athletics Clubs (ABAC) commissioned their own research into current levels of participation in track and field athletics. In other words, they asked how many people take part in what the general public understand to be athletics.

The answers, published on the ABAC website as a series of "fact files" will astound those who think the publicly funded pursuit of legacy is thriving.

Sport England tell us that up to 165,000 young people between the ages of 11 and 15 take part in athletics "regularly". Sport England define "regularly" as once per month. ABAC's research reveals that even in the best case scenario and even calling once a month 'regular' participation, the absolute maximum number of 11 to 15 year olds taking part in athletics is 51,000, only 31 per cent of the Sport England figure.

As if that isn't bad enough, the real figures for senior athletics participants are even further apart. Sport England tell us that 1.876 million adults "regularly"take part in athletics, not forgetting they include jogging. ABAC's research was limited to senior athletes between 20 and 34 years old and told us that fewer than 2,000 regularly take part in track and field athletes in that age group!

I can't speak for others but my own feeling is that the athletics legacy being chased by successive Governments will be in no need of a track at ANY venue, let alone one with 25,000 or 60,000 seats. Track and field athletics will be a thing of the past and joggers will be the new athletes. Perhaps the IOC will introduce jogging to the timetable in time for 2012?

I used the word smokescreen and that is exactly what it is. If legacy is to mean anything it must include participation in SPORT, not a redefinition of what sport is to fit the available figures. As I said to the locals at the pub, whether Tottenham or West Ham win their battle is probably irrelevant to athletics as there will be insufficient participants remaining to require very much of any stadium!

Jim Cowan is a former athlete, coach, event organiser and sports development specialist who is the founder of Cowan Global, a company specialising in consultancy, events and education and training. For more details click here

http://insidethegames.biz/blogs/11832

 

[Hoowl]

To those who are anti-Stratford:

It seems to me that you are too focussed on Stratford. Surely your campaign should be about staying in Tottenham? Emphasising staying in Tottenham is a positive thing that almost all supporters will be able to relate to and agree with to some degree. However, the fact you seem to be set to campaigning against Stratford turns you're whole message into a negative thing.

By putting emphasis on being anti-Stratford, you're alienating a large section of fans who would rather stay in Tottenham, but may see the practical aspects of moving. Aside from this, there is the consideration that if Stratford is a no go, Levy may still look outside the borough and you'd need a new campaign for each new venue.

I would argue it's much more productive to be pro staying in Tottenham thatn anti moving to stratford.

 

[N17_spurs]

To those who are anti-Stratford:

It seems to me that you are too focussed on Stratford. Surely your campaign should be about staying in Tottenham? Emphasising staying in Tottenham is a positive thing that almost all supporters will be able to relate to and agree with to some degree. However, the fact you seem to be set to campaigning against Stratford turns you're whole message into a negative thing.

By putting emphasis on being anti-Stratford, you're alienating a large section of fans who would rather stay in Tottenham, but may see the practical aspects of moving. Aside from this, there is the consideration that if Stratford is a no go, Levy may still look outside the borough and you'd need a new campaign for each new venue.

I would argue it's much more productive to be pro staying in Tottenham thatn anti moving to stratford.

Stratford is the only alternative on the table. I personally would just about be able to stomach another sight in North London but why the NDP is viable I dont see the point of even looking.

Any where else and we will fight. This is not a campaign to alienate people but for all true Spurs fans to get together.

Next demo has been arranged for Bolton:

Main Gates: Midday until kick off.

There is also and alternative march from one of the pubs but I dont have details for yet. Will kepp you updated yiddos.

#SAYNOTOSTRATFORD

 

[Monkey Bastard Hands]

Next demo has been arranged for Bolton:

Main Gates: Midday until kick off.

Will that be 50 pissed blokes, some crap banners and a dog again or something a bit more well organised this time?

 

[N17_spurs]

Will that be 50 pissed blokes, some crap banners and a dog again or something a bit more well organised this time?

The whole thing is gathering pace, the word is out. Expect big crowds.

 

[AngerManagement]

I don't really get the notion that a move is acceptable as long as it is still in North London.

Surely if the protests are because WE ARE TOTTENHAM and TOTTENHAM N17 and SPURS are inextricably linked a move away from the N17 post code is as bad if we move to Stratford or anywhere else in North London.

Regardless Tottenham Hotspur would no longer be in Tottenham, or are the inextricable links now to North London rather than Tottenham itself?

 

[michaelden]

I usually do at home games, we sell out often.

If your protest gets violent and you're banned can I have your season ticket?

 

[ethanedwards]

Stratford is the only alternative on the table. I personally would just about be able to stomach another sight in North London but why the NDP is viable I dont see the point of even looking.

Any where else and we will fight. This is not a campaign to alienate people but for all true Spurs fans to get together.

Next demo has been arranged for Bolton:

Main Gates: Midday until kick off.

There is also and alternative march from one of the pubs but I dont have details for yet. Will kepp you updated yiddos.

#SAYNOTOSTRATFORD

What is the qualifying criteria for a true fan.