danielneeds
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Stop your habitual condescending for a moment, and tell me do you actually believe a PL football manager would live in Tottenham? Yes or No?
New Stadium Details And Discussions
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Stop your habitual condescending for a moment, and tell me do you actually believe a PL football manager would live in Tottenham? Yes or No?
Lilbaz
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From inside the games
February 1 - The architect who wrote the original Olympic Park study over a decade ago·insists that ground-sharing is the only solution after next year's London Games and that the Government must step in to resolve the ongoing dispute over the future of the site.
Steve Lawrence says both Tottenham Hotspur and West Ham United should play at a revamped Olympic stadium – with the revenue being used to build an adjacent athletics venue to preserve the legacy issue that has caused such widespread controversy.
Over 10 years ago, Lawrence was commissioned by Stratford Development Partnership to carry out an alternative feasibility study for the Olympics once it became clear that Wembley would never be a viable location.
He proposed that any venue in Stratford should, after the Games, both have a legacy use and be shared by Tottenham and West Ham as anchor tenants.
But this idea was, he says, ironically rejected after hostility by local land-owners.
Lawrence, a partner in the London-based firm Carrick, Howell and Lawrence, still believes his initial recommendation is the best solution and is astounded at the idea that consideration is being given to either club, West Ham in particular, playing there on their own.
The Olympic Park Legacy Company (OPLC) are due to announce their preferred bidder within the next few weeks, with the locally-based East London club as favourites.
As a result, Lawrence has written to the Department for Culture, Media and Sport (DCMS) urging them to take the matter out of the OPLC's·hands.
He says the only sustainable solution would be joint tenants.
"By having both clubs as joint anchor tenants, it would create double the revenue stream," Lawrence said in an interview with insidethegames.
"That additional revenue could then pay for an athletics facility.
"It's a win-win situation.
"It gives UK Athletics what it wants,· two football clubs what they want and a facility that will never be a white elephant.
"Besides, the original proposal was for the main stadium and the warm-up arena to be right beside each other.
"The proposition was that, post-Olympics, the former would be used for football and the latter become a 25,000-seater athletics facility."
West Ham have staked their case on preserving the athletics track around the Stadium in an all-in-one venue and are being backed by a raft of high-ranking track and field administrators determined to preserve the legacy aspect.
"It's absolutely daft," Lawrence declared.
"It just doesn't work in a football stadium.
It didn't work at what is now Manchester City's stadium.
"And it didn't work for Bayern Munich who got fed up with a running track around the Olympic Stadium (pictured) - and eventually moved out."
Insidethegames has seen a copy of the exchange of emails between Lawrence and the DCMS.·
The latter's response to his call for action amounts to a virtual snub.
"It's absolutely typical," said Lawrence who is furious that so much public money has already been wasted.
"They simply have got to grasp the nettle.
"It's no good leaving this to what is, in effect, a quango.
"The Government hold the power and should do something, if only for the sake of the tax-payer.
"Where is the common sense in this debate?"
Pressed on the fact that Tottenham and West Ham might not agree to ground-share, Lawrence said: "I understand this but I think they might consider it as a way of getting into a 60,000-seater stadium.
"My fear is we are missing a fantastic opportunity.
"I suspect if West Ham get hold of the stadium, they will probably take the running track out anyway at some point.
"I think that's inevitable."
February 1 - The architect who wrote the original Olympic Park study over a decade ago·insists that ground-sharing is the only solution after next year's London Games and that the Government must step in to resolve the ongoing dispute over the future of the site.
Steve Lawrence says both Tottenham Hotspur and West Ham United should play at a revamped Olympic stadium – with the revenue being used to build an adjacent athletics venue to preserve the legacy issue that has caused such widespread controversy.
Over 10 years ago, Lawrence was commissioned by Stratford Development Partnership to carry out an alternative feasibility study for the Olympics once it became clear that Wembley would never be a viable location.
He proposed that any venue in Stratford should, after the Games, both have a legacy use and be shared by Tottenham and West Ham as anchor tenants.
But this idea was, he says, ironically rejected after hostility by local land-owners.
Lawrence, a partner in the London-based firm Carrick, Howell and Lawrence, still believes his initial recommendation is the best solution and is astounded at the idea that consideration is being given to either club, West Ham in particular, playing there on their own.
The Olympic Park Legacy Company (OPLC) are due to announce their preferred bidder within the next few weeks, with the locally-based East London club as favourites.
As a result, Lawrence has written to the Department for Culture, Media and Sport (DCMS) urging them to take the matter out of the OPLC's·hands.
He says the only sustainable solution would be joint tenants.
"By having both clubs as joint anchor tenants, it would create double the revenue stream," Lawrence said in an interview with insidethegames.
"That additional revenue could then pay for an athletics facility.
"It's a win-win situation.
"It gives UK Athletics what it wants,· two football clubs what they want and a facility that will never be a white elephant.
"Besides, the original proposal was for the main stadium and the warm-up arena to be right beside each other.
"The proposition was that, post-Olympics, the former would be used for football and the latter become a 25,000-seater athletics facility."
West Ham have staked their case on preserving the athletics track around the Stadium in an all-in-one venue and are being backed by a raft of high-ranking track and field administrators determined to preserve the legacy aspect.
"It's absolutely daft," Lawrence declared.
"It just doesn't work in a football stadium.
It didn't work at what is now Manchester City's stadium.
"And it didn't work for Bayern Munich who got fed up with a running track around the Olympic Stadium (pictured) - and eventually moved out."
Insidethegames has seen a copy of the exchange of emails between Lawrence and the DCMS.·
The latter's response to his call for action amounts to a virtual snub.
"It's absolutely typical," said Lawrence who is furious that so much public money has already been wasted.
"They simply have got to grasp the nettle.
"It's no good leaving this to what is, in effect, a quango.
"The Government hold the power and should do something, if only for the sake of the tax-payer.
"Where is the common sense in this debate?"
Pressed on the fact that Tottenham and West Ham might not agree to ground-share, Lawrence said: "I understand this but I think they might consider it as a way of getting into a 60,000-seater stadium.
"My fear is we are missing a fantastic opportunity.
"I suspect if West Ham get hold of the stadium, they will probably take the running track out anyway at some point.
"I think that's inevitable."
Misfit
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Lilbaz
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Confidential, till the decision. Legacy boards decision not ours.
danielneeds
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That is not my point. I was answering We_Ar_N17, who said the Bill Nic lived in Tottenham. I said that he wouldn't now if he was managing us. That is all.
michaelden
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No, but they would enjoy living on the Isle of Dogs/ Canary Wharf :shrug:
Lilbaz
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Next to the Queens Park, airport not far, easy to get to work. Possibly if I could find a decent local and a bird with big tits. Would be easy to get to Spurs as well :wink:
Misfit
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Sure, sorry, wasn't disagreeing with you. Just putting my view across that the issue is a non-issue. Whether we somehow stay in Tottenham or move to Stratford or elsewhere. I can drive to the Lane in 30/40 minutes from central London (usually).
Having said that, anyone with an an idea about the new training centre thingybob at Bulls Cross? Is that still going ahead? Not sure if would be a problem if it did and the must be fairly far along as work started well over a yr ago. Would be a nice to link to Enfield/N. London also should the stadium move.
SpurSince57
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I never said one would. I'm just totally, utterly pissed off with people like you airily describing Tottenham as a 'shit-hole', so don't fucking crybaby to me about condescension. Perhaps you could let me know where you live so I can offer my deeply considered opinion on it.
Lilbaz
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They've not updated the gallery for a while now, but work is def going ahead. Should be ready next year unless anyone knows anything different?
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According to the Guardian: http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2011/feb/01/tottenham-olympic-stadium-athletics
The Olympic Park Legacy Company is expected to make a decision on the rival bids in the week beginning 7 February.
Misfit
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Cheers Lilbaz. The projected images looked rather nice. Looking forward to seeing it proper.
And good luck with finding a buxom companion. :hump:
danielneeds
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About 5 minutes from Turnpike Lane. And yes, that is a shit hole too.
And it is not just your last post, your condescension is airily spread all over this site.
I agree with that. Why isn't it called We Are Tottenham? Much more emotive, IMO.
Spurs wouldn't groundshare with West Ham. Our fans wouldn't wear it- they'll barely wear Stratford, full-stop, their club can't afford it, it dilutes the money both clubs hope to make.
worcestersauce
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How about with the O's
Saw you quoted this, also more interesting the main part of the article being the rival body to the UK athletics (Association of British Athletics Clubs) has backed Tottenhams bid.
"Saying that there would be a proper athletics legacy merely by keeping the track at the Olympic Stadium is a myth and a sham," said John Bicourt, a former British Olympic athlete who is an officer of the ABAC.
"The true reason for those touting the legacy myth is to save face over the wholly unrealistic promises made in Singapore by the Olympic bid team. West Ham, should they win the bid, would almost certainly demand the right to remove the track after a few years on the basis that the stadium is barely used for athletics enough to justify keeping it."
MattyP
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If you look at the wearen17 site, they have changed the link to the petition from "Say no to Stratford" to "Say yes to Tottenham".
Their flyers / posters are now increasingly including the Say Yes to Tottenham "motto" as well.
whitelightwhiteheat
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North london is ours! North london is ours!!!
Say yes to tottenham!
North london is ours!!!
Say yes to tottenham!
North london is ours!!!
