New Stadium Details And Discussions

[$hoguN]

Because the people who work in those businesses are from the community that has supported the club over the last 128 years. The club would be nothing without that community.

Next time you see a business moved abroad to cut costs I presume you will have no sympathy for all the workers who will lose their jobs.

The old community argument, great. As much as the community has supported the club, the club has supported to community through brining in people on those match days. No business should be setup relying solely on a football club staying in an area, if it is than its their problem to be honest.

 

[MattyP]

In the words of the Pink Ladies...

tell me more, tell me more, did you get very far?

Nah - ironically he walked past my desk when I was busily typing in the previous post.

He's in the conference now, will see if I get lucky and have the chance to speak to him afterwards. Highly unlikely I'd have thought but you never know.

 

[RickyVilla]

Nah - ironically he walked past my desk when I was busily typing in the previous post.

He's in the conference now, will see if I get lucky and have the chance to speak to him afterwards. Highly unlikely I'd have thought but you never know.

Tempt him with beer and prostitutes. It never fails, I heard. :up:

 

[whitelightwhiteheat]

Nah - ironically he walked past my desk when I was busily typing in the previous post.

He's in the conference now, will see if I get lucky and have the chance to speak to him afterwards. Highly unlikely I'd have thought but you never know.

Quick chant of "Say No To Stratford" as he passes next time?!

 

[MattyP]

Tempt him with beer and prostitutes. It never fails, I heard. :up:

I had to google him to find out what he looks like and having looked at his professional profile, I don't think beers and prostitutes will work. :bang:

Quick chant of "Say No To Stratford" as he passes next time?!

Funnily enough when I realised he'd already walked past my desk and was halfway down the corridor I started singing that.

Not at the top of my voice like at the Lane, but loud enough for most of the office to hear :lol:

Either he didn't hear it or chose to ignore it.

 

[fozzi44]

The old community argument, great. As much as the community has supported the club, the club has supported to community through brining in people on those match days. No business should be setup relying solely on a football club staying in an area, if it is than its their problem to be honest.

nail on head.

 

[RickyVilla]

I had to google him to find out what he looks like and having looked at his professional profile, I don't think beers and prostitutes will work. :bang:



Funnily enough when I realised he'd already walked past my desk and was halfway down the corridor I started singing that.

Not at the top of my voice like at the Lane, but loud enough for most of the office to hear :lol:

Either he didn't hear it or chose to ignore it.

What is he? Some kind of pansy?:duh:

 

[MattyP]

What is he? Some kind of pansy?:duh:

Nope an ex Oxford University graduate

 

[RickyVilla]

Nope an ex Oxford University graduate

Send Flatters in then. It may be your only chance!! Eek

 

[worcestersauce]

The Irish Centre alone reckons that it gets £200k of annual income from match days.

Why has Tottenham got an Irish centre? Never had one when I was growing up, there were no less Irish about and we never needed a centre then.
Not having a knock I just wonder why they need one, anyway it's pretty clear that the local area would be affected mostly, in fact probably entirely, in the food and drink businesses, beer bread and water, but I'm not sure what else and sadly as hard as it may seem that can't be the criteria for whether we stay or go.

 

[dsl]

For the following reasons. I support the OS move.
1. A dedicated modern football stadium with the best possible atmosphere.
2. Economically viable in terms of bankers willingness to lend for the OS rebuild + other economic and sports projects. An improved naming rights and sponsorship package together with revenues from a mixed development project should be enticing for the moneymen.
3. Higher capacity to accommodate Spurs supporters currently on waiting list.
4. Better and easier transport links for all fans.
5. Opportunities to maximize revenues on the Northumberland Project by investing in a mixed use project . This may provide Harringey with better and more sustainable economic regeneration\employment opportunities.
6. Generate better conditions for maximizing naming, image and other rights and sponsorships.
7. Capitalise on sale of business boxes from nearby city businesses plus higher ticket income.
8. Relocation to the OS will take Spurs to a new dimension in terms of eventually being financially able to recruit the marquee signings that all fans bay about. A 36,000 capacity does not equate £100,000 and above per week salaries.
9. Spurs will be able to compete on an even footing with a 60,000 + capacity Arsenal and Manchester United and moneybags Manchester City and Chelsea.
10. Spurs will be in position to comply with UEFA financial regulations whilst remaining competitive.
11. Spurs will always carry its heritage, traditions and history to wherever it moves. Its part of us and laid down in stone. Nobody can take it away, although Lammy and the N 17’ers may try. Arse nal will always be the nomads. They moved house, across the river. We are moving into the adjoining room in the same house.
12. If we get the OS, we will not have to deal with a dithering and obstructionist Lammy, Harringey Council, Cabe, English Heritage, etc. The transport links are all in place, so probably none or minor S106 negotiations with Newham Council. In any event with reports of the major’s office taking over responsibility for planning for the OS, Newham Council might not have the opportunity to vent its frustrations, if any.



13. It’s time to leave the feudal, sectarian and tribal mentality behind. We should all be focussing on the progress of Spurs in today’s real and unforgiving financial circumstances.
14. Spurs is one of the clubs with an excellent community conscience. Currently, Spurs voluntarily donates millions to Harringey. This generous gesture will be extended to all Olympic boroughs and to Bromley.
15. Provision of substantial regeneration\economic\employment opportunities for a third London Borough, i.e, the Crystal Palace Project.
16.Raise the Spurs profile nationally and internationally, especially with the provision of on ground extreme sports facilities for tourists, et al.
17. Provide a dedicated London centre for athletics, 365 day\year. Spurs will also provide athletes with grants and sponsorships.
18. In partnership with AEG, ,provide a new tourism hub in London , some 3 million visitors, thus creating new sources of revenue for itself, AEG and London.
I am not familiar with the details of the WH bid but it is evident that the Spurs bid not only cater to Spurs own interests, but brings genuine benefits to athlethics, Harringey, Bromley, the Olympic boroughs, London and the national economy. Spurs will not use any public funds and rightly so. One should, before casting aspersions and wild accusations, consider how many crèches and schools could be built and staffed in Newham Borough with the forty million pounds that Newham Council is backing a private company with.

 

[sloth]

I can completely understand how the existing businesses which are set up to cater for football fans will be forced to close or do something imaginative. That's a real impact that shouldn't be dismissed.

I'm not quite sure how the Tottenham community as a whole benefits economically from having a load of shops which cater to the pretty basic tastes of football fans once a fortnight?

Clearly those shops aren't catering to the community which lives there otherwise they'd have no trouble surviving if the club left.

It seems to me that the club skews retailers towards catering to an influx of fans once a fortnight at the expense of the wider community.

Tottenham high-street is the main shopping street in one of Europe's most densely populated areas, but unlike those equivalent high streets in areas without football clubs, the retailers on this one will go out of business if they're forced to live on just what the local custom brings?

There's something desperately wrong there if you ask me! Just as the CAP encouraged farmers to grow produce that European's don't actually want to eat, so the club subsidises local businesses such that they've ignored the local and regular pound in favour of the fortnightly influx mega bucks.

So, my first point is that if the club were to up and leave and do nothing Tottenham High Street would over time re adjust to function on the same commercial basis as any other high street in the country.

But point two is that the club isn't going to just up and leave. They've got valuable land there, ripe for mixed use retail/residential development. They'd be crazy not to flog it.

On top of that retailers are surely going to be far more keen on a shopping precinct without a football stadium than one with one. They'll be able to build a nice big car park, they won't have to give up a Saturday or Sunday once a fortnight to the flood of football fans. There'd be far more customers due to the new residential development being built right on their door-step. The whole area will be revitalised, skewed back towards local needs and away from the requirements of 33k hungry, thirsty yids, who travel into the area from the suburban S.E once a fortnight.

If we were to leave Tottenham does lose out though, through the loss of prestige of a club like ours brings to an area. That's an intangible benefit to local kids. A sense of pride, importance and glamour which our club offers to the area.

But sometimes it's the crutch which makes the cripple, kick it away and imo an area like Tottenham will finally learn to stand tall on its own two feet.

 

[MattyP]

Dsl, fair enough, I respect you feel that way and have taken the time to post in detail why you do.

On point 12, I'm pretty sure you'll be wrong if you think there will be no s106 contributions required by Newham. AFAIK s106 are required for all major developments, so if you think that a borough which put in their own application and, if we get the OS, will just roll over and say don't bother with s106 I'd be staggered.

I would in fact expect them to require more than Haringey have asked for.

Interestingly, a lot of fuss was made about the s106 requirements of the NDP. Don't recall reading too many objections to Levy promising to pump tens of millions of pounds to fund athletics programmes.

 

[ethanedwards]

Dsl
Great post, the best I have seen on this subject.

 

[Lassesand]

For the following reasons. I support the OS move.
1. A dedicated modern football stadium with the best possible atmosphere.
2. Economically viable in terms of bankers willingness to lend for the OS rebuild + other economic and sports projects. An improved naming rights and sponsorship package together with revenues from a mixed development project should be enticing for the moneymen.
3. Higher capacity to accommodate Spurs supporters currently on waiting list.
4. Better and easier transport links for all fans.
5. Opportunities to maximize revenues on the Northumberland Project by investing in a mixed use project . This may provide Harringey with better and more sustainable economic regeneration\employment opportunities.
6. Generate better conditions for maximizing naming, image and other rights and sponsorships.
7. Capitalise on sale of business boxes from nearby city businesses plus higher ticket income.
8. Relocation to the OS will take Spurs to a new dimension in terms of eventually being financially able to recruit the marquee signings that all fans bay about. A 36,000 capacity does not equate £100,000 and above per week salaries.
9. Spurs will be able to compete on an even footing with a 60,000 + capacity Arsenal and Manchester United and moneybags Manchester City and Chelsea.
10. Spurs will be in position to comply with UEFA financial regulations whilst remaining competitive.
11. Spurs will always carry its heritage, traditions and history to wherever it moves. Its part of us and laid down in stone. Nobody can take it away, although Lammy and the N 17’ers may try. Arse nal will always be the nomads. They moved house, across the river. We are moving into the adjoining room in the same house.
12. If we get the OS, we will not have to deal with a dithering and obstructionist Lammy, Harringey Council, Cabe, English Heritage, etc. The transport links are all in place, so probably none or minor S106 negotiations with Newham Council. In any event with reports of the major’s office taking over responsibility for planning for the OS, Newham Council might not have the opportunity to vent its frustrations, if any.



13. It’s time to leave the feudal, sectarian and tribal mentality behind. We should all be focussing on the progress of Spurs in today’s real and unforgiving financial circumstances.
14. Spurs is one of the clubs with an excellent community conscience. Currently, Spurs voluntarily donates millions to Harringey. This generous gesture will be extended to all Olympic boroughs and to Bromley.
15. Provision of substantial regeneration\economic\employment opportunities for a third London Borough, i.e, the Crystal Palace Project.
16.Raise the Spurs profile nationally and internationally, especially with the provision of on ground extreme sports facilities for tourists, et al.
17. Provide a dedicated London centre for athletics, 365 day\year. Spurs will also provide athletes with grants and sponsorships.
18. In partnership with AEG, ,provide a new tourism hub in London , some 3 million visitors, thus creating new sources of revenue for itself, AEG and London.
I am not familiar with the details of the WH bid but it is evident that the Spurs bid not only cater to Spurs own interests, but brings genuine benefits to athlethics, Harringey, Bromley, the Olympic boroughs, London and the national economy. Spurs will not use any public funds and rightly so. One should, before casting aspersions and wild accusations, consider how many crèches and schools could be built and staffed in Newham Borough with the forty million pounds that Newham Council is backing a private company with.

Good post! I agree 100 %

 

[StartingPrice]

The thing is, however much of a publicity stunt it was, and I'm not disputing the fact the media were there and Lammy led the children was anything but, it reiterates a valid point.

A lot of people on here seem to think Tottenham Hotspur have no responsibility for the area's regeneration. Where in fact it owes the community a hell of a lot, the club wouldn't be what it is today without the support of the local community over the last 128 and a bit years.

Even forgetting how the community nourished and nurtured the club over it's history, the club has bought up vast amounts of property and businesses around the stadium, boarded them up and is now preparing to just walk away. The community have, by and large, supported this destruction of their local area on the promise that the club would regenerate the whole area and provide a boost to the local economy. Levy is now about to break that promise to the community and leave them in a desolate wasteland of his making.

If he walks away from Tottenham now he will be nothing more than a Viking Marauder who has come into our home, pillaged anything of value and left us with the roof still burning.

I agree.

My main point still stands:

Jeez...can someone make a decision, already, so I can just get back to being a Spurs fan, already:shrug:

Two words: infantile crap.

OOOOOH, did your Canary warble like a caged petard hostelry, or summit:shrug:

Please, see above.

 

[andyw362]

For the following reasons. I support the OS move.
1. A dedicated modern football stadium with the best possible atmosphere.
2. Economically viable in terms of bankers willingness to lend for the OS rebuild + other economic and sports projects. An improved naming rights and sponsorship package together with revenues from a mixed development project should be enticing for the moneymen.
3. Higher capacity to accommodate Spurs supporters currently on waiting list.
4. Better and easier transport links for all fans.
5. Opportunities to maximize revenues on the Northumberland Project by investing in a mixed use project . This may provide Harringey with better and more sustainable economic regeneration\employment opportunities.
6. Generate better conditions for maximizing naming, image and other rights and sponsorships.
7. Capitalise on sale of business boxes from nearby city businesses plus higher ticket income.
8. Relocation to the OS will take Spurs to a new dimension in terms of eventually being financially able to recruit the marquee signings that all fans bay about. A 36,000 capacity does not equate £100,000 and above per week salaries.
9. Spurs will be able to compete on an even footing with a 60,000 + capacity Arsenal and Manchester United and moneybags Manchester City and Chelsea.
10. Spurs will be in position to comply with UEFA financial regulations whilst remaining competitive.
11. Spurs will always carry its heritage, traditions and history to wherever it moves. Its part of us and laid down in stone. Nobody can take it away, although Lammy and the N 17’ers may try. Arse nal will always be the nomads. They moved house, across the river. We are moving into the adjoining room in the same house.
12. If we get the OS, we will not have to deal with a dithering and obstructionist Lammy, Harringey Council, Cabe, English Heritage, etc. The transport links are all in place, so probably none or minor S106 negotiations with Newham Council. In any event with reports of the major’s office taking over responsibility for planning for the OS, Newham Council might not have the opportunity to vent its frustrations, if any.



13. It’s time to leave the feudal, sectarian and tribal mentality behind. We should all be focussing on the progress of Spurs in today’s real and unforgiving financial circumstances.
14. Spurs is one of the clubs with an excellent community conscience. Currently, Spurs voluntarily donates millions to Harringey. This generous gesture will be extended to all Olympic boroughs and to Bromley.
15. Provision of substantial regeneration\economic\employment opportunities for a third London Borough, i.e, the Crystal Palace Project.
16.Raise the Spurs profile nationally and internationally, especially with the provision of on ground extreme sports facilities for tourists, et al.
17. Provide a dedicated London centre for athletics, 365 day\year. Spurs will also provide athletes with grants and sponsorships.
18. In partnership with AEG, ,provide a new tourism hub in London , some 3 million visitors, thus creating new sources of revenue for itself, AEG and London.
I am not familiar with the details of the WH bid but it is evident that the Spurs bid not only cater to Spurs own interests, but brings genuine benefits to athlethics, Harringey, Bromley, the Olympic boroughs, London and the national economy. Spurs will not use any public funds and rightly so. One should, before casting aspersions and wild accusations, consider how many crèches and schools could be built and staffed in Newham Borough with the forty million pounds that Newham Council is backing a private company with.

Are you daniel levy? Well said.

 

[worcestersauce]

I think Levy's stance on the millions of pounds funding athletics programmes is that it's still cheaper than the NDP as for the s106 no doubt there will be requirements although Newham council will be starting from a different place to Haringey, at present we give them nothing so any extra expense on s106 would be less money from the foundation trust and no doubt that will be made clear, also the site is in the middle of the Olympic park with possibly the best transport hub in London so doesn't directly impinge on an immediate residential, industrial or business area, that's part of it's attraction.

 

[sloth]

On point 12, I'm pretty sure you'll be wrong if you think there will be no s106 contributions required by Newham. AFAIK s106 are required for all major developments, so if you think that a borough which put in their own application and, if we get the OS, will just roll over and say don't bother with s106 I'd be staggered.

I would in fact expect them to require more than Haringey have asked for.

Interestingly, a lot of fuss was made about the s106 requirements of the NDP. Don't recall reading too many objections to Levy promising to pump tens of millions of pounds to fund athletics programmes.

I don't think you're right there MattyP: http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/stand...-park-legacy-company-and-what-happens-next.do

The OPLC are owned 50 per cent by the Government and 50 per cent by the Mayor's office. Yesterday, Boris Johnson proposed plans for the OPLC to be reformed as a Mayoral Development Corporation on 1 April 2012, which would give the body greater powers, including planning.

 

[StartingPrice]

For the following reasons. I support the OS move.
1. A dedicated modern football stadium with the best possible atmosphere.
2. Economically viable in terms of bankers willingness to lend for the OS rebuild + other economic and sports projects. An improved naming rights and sponsorship package together with revenues from a mixed development project should be enticing for the moneymen.
3. Higher capacity to accommodate Spurs supporters currently on waiting list.
4. Better and easier transport links for all fans.
5. Opportunities to maximize revenues on the Northumberland Project by investing in a mixed use project . This may provide Harringey with better and more sustainable economic regeneration\employment opportunities.
6. Generate better conditions for maximizing naming, image and other rights and sponsorships.
7. Capitalise on sale of business boxes from nearby city businesses plus higher ticket income.
8. Relocation to the OS will take Spurs to a new dimension in terms of eventually being financially able to recruit the marquee signings that all fans bay about. A 36,000 capacity does not equate £100,000 and above per week salaries.
9. Spurs will be able to compete on an even footing with a 60,000 + capacity Arsenal and Manchester United and moneybags Manchester City and Chelsea.
10. Spurs will be in position to comply with UEFA financial regulations whilst remaining competitive.
11. Spurs will always carry its heritage, traditions and history to wherever it moves. Its part of us and laid down in stone. Nobody can take it away, although Lammy and the N 17’ers may try. Arse nal will always be the nomads. They moved house, across the river. We are moving into the adjoining room in the same house.
12. If we get the OS, we will not have to deal with a dithering and obstructionist Lammy, Harringey Council, Cabe, English Heritage, etc. The transport links are all in place, so probably none or minor S106 negotiations with Newham Council. In any event with reports of the major’s office taking over responsibility for planning for the OS, Newham Council might not have the opportunity to vent its frustrations, if any.



13. It’s time to leave the feudal, sectarian and tribal mentality behind. We should all be focussing on the progress of Spurs in today’s real and unforgiving financial circumstances.
14. Spurs is one of the clubs with an excellent community conscience. Currently, Spurs voluntarily donates millions to Harringey. This generous gesture will be extended to all Olympic boroughs and to Bromley.
15. Provision of substantial regeneration\economic\employment opportunities for a third London Borough, i.e, the Crystal Palace Project.
16.Raise the Spurs profile nationally and internationally, especially with the provision of on ground extreme sports facilities for tourists, et al.
17. Provide a dedicated London centre for athletics, 365 day\year. Spurs will also provide athletes with grants and sponsorships.
18. In partnership with AEG, ,provide a new tourism hub in London , some 3 million visitors, thus creating new sources of revenue for itself, AEG and London.
I am not familiar with the details of the WH bid but it is evident that the Spurs bid not only cater to Spurs own interests, but brings genuine benefits to athlethics, Harringey, Bromley, the Olympic boroughs, London and the national economy. Spurs will not use any public funds and rightly so. One should, before casting aspersions and wild accusations, consider how many crèches and schools could be built and staffed in Newham Borough with the forty million pounds that Newham Council is backing a private company with.

D(s)L - 12 posts - you are Dan Levy, aren't you:shrug: